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EMAIL: Messages from the Seekers
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dmax
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EMAIL: Messages from the Seekers

From the seekersSPLATmythosphere.org:
Quote:
Water is the softest and most yielding substance.
Yet nothing is better than water,
for overcoming the hard and rigid,
because nothing can compete with it.
Everyone knows that the soft and yielding
overcomes the rigid and hard,
but few can put this knowledge into practice.


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From the midst of the menhirs
It seems the world
Was born right here
And here returns

a guide will be in touch soon in response to your request

My request was for "power and knowledge" if it makes a difference later.

The beginning of my letter is diff from Dale's. It's a quote from LAO TZU and the "TAO TE CHING":
Quote:
Chapter 78

Water is the softest and most yielding substance.
Yet nothing is better than water,
for overcoming the hard and rigid,
because nothing can compete with it.

Everyone knows that the soft and yielding
overcomes the rigid and hard,
but few can put this knowledge into practice.

Therefore the Master says:
"Only he who is the lowest servant of the kingdom,
is worthy to become its ruler.
He who is willing tackle the most unpleasant tasks,
is the best ruler in the world."

True sayings seem contradictory.

Add your quotes here in this thread as we receive them.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 11:38 pm
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asmyth
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Life is a narrow vale between the cold and barren peaks of two eternities. We
strive in vain to look beyond the heights. We cry aloud, and the only answer is
the echo of our wailing cry. From the voiceless lips of the unreplying dead
there comes no word; but in the night of death, hope sees a star, and listening
love can hear the rustle of a wing.
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>From the midst of the menhirs
It seems the world
Was born right here
And here returns

a guide will be in touch soon in response to your request

The quote was by Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899) It was a eulogy at his brothers grave:

He was a worshiper of liberty, a friend of the oppressed. A
thousand times I have heard him quote these words: "For Justice all
place a temple, and all season, summer." He believed that happiness
is the only good, reason the only torch, justice the only worship,
humanity the only religion, and love the only priest. He added to
the sum of human joy; and were every one to whom he did some loving
service to bring a blossom to his grave, he would sleep tonight
beneath a wilderness of flowers.

Life is a narrow vale between the cold and barren peaks of two
eternities. We strive in vain to look beyond the heights. We cry
aloud, and the only answer is the echo of our wailing cry. From the
voiceless lips of the unreplying dead there comes no word; but in
the night of death hope sees a star and listening love can hear the
rustle of a wing.

He who sleeps here, when dying, mistaking the approach of
death for the return of health, whispered with his latest breath,
"I am better now." Let us believe, in spite of doubts and dogmas,
of fears and tears, that these dear words are true of all the
countless dead.

The record of a generous life runs like a vine around the
memory of our dead, and every sweet, unselfish act is now a
perfumed flower.

And now, to you, who have been chosen, from among the many men
he loved, to do the last sad office for the dead, we give his
sacred dust.

Speech cannot contain our love. There was, there is, no
gentler, stronger, manlier man.

I asked for answers
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 11:45 pm
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MaggieMae
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email from Seekers

In all ages man has tried to account for himself and his surroundings. He did the best he could. He wondered why the water ran, why the trees grew, why the clouds floated, why the stars shone, why the sun and moon journeyed through the heavens. He was troubled about life and death, about darkness and dreams. The seas, the volcanoes, the lightning and thunder, the earthquake and cyclone, filled him with fear. Behind all life and growth and motion, and even inanimate things, he placed a spirit -- an intelligent being -- a fetich, person, something like himself -- a god, controlled by love and hate. To him causes and effects became gods -- supernatural beings. The Dawn was a maiden, wondrously fair, the Sun, a warrior and lover; the Night, a serpent, a wolf -- the Wind, a musician; Winter, a wild beast; Autumn, Proserpine gathering flowers.

Poets were the makers of these myths. They were the first to account for what they saw and felt. The great multitude mistook these fancies for facts. Myths strangely alike, were produced by most nations, and gradually took possession of the world.
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From the midst of the menhirs
It seems the world
Was born right here
And here returns

a guide will be in touch soon in response to your request



The first part can be found here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/ing/vol02/i0171.htm

I asked for information about Sarah Wyatt.

MaggieMae

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dmax
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another

and another reply:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=6410#6410

Quote:
It is impossible to understand a myth as a continuous sequence. This is why we
should be aware that if we try to read a myth as we read a novel or from left
to right, we don't understand the myth, because we have to apprehend it as a
totality and discover that the basic meaning of the myth is not conveyed by
sequence of events . . . but . . . by bundles of events even though these
events appear at different moments in the story. Therefore we have to read the
myth more or less as we would read an orchestral score . . . And it is only by
treating the myth as if it were an orchestral score, written stave after stave,
that we can understand it as a totality, that we can extract meaning out of the
myth.
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From the midst of the menhirs
It seems the world
Was born right here
And here returns

a guide will be in touch soon in response to your request

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That sounds like something HITLER would say!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2003 11:54 pm
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Myssfitz
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thank you damx. I was just coming to post this here Very Happy I am still tring to find out where it's from.

I asked for help with seeking the doorway to other dimensions.
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KyraB
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Seeking The Wish & The Truth, i wrote: There is not a truth existing which I fear... or would wish unknown to the whole world. Thomas Jefferson

and received: (from Alan Watts' definitive account of what he calls 'The Game of God')

Every positive statement about ultimate things must be made in the suggestive form of myth, of poetry. For in this realm the direct and indicative forms of speech can only say "neti, neti" (Sanskrit for "no, no"), since what can be described and categorized must always belong to the conventional realm. Mythis a symbolic story which demonstrates the inner meaning of the universe and of human life.
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From the midst of the menhirs
It seems the world
Was born right here
And here returns

a guide will be in touch soon in response to your request

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Barbarellany
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I asked for answers and got the same one as Myssfitz. I haven't found the reference yet either.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2003 12:19 am
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LazarusLong
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Every positive statement about ultimate things must be made in the suggestive form of myth, of poetry. For in this realm the direct and indicative forms of speech can only say "neti, neti" (Sanskrit for "no, no"), since what can be described and categorized must always belong to the conventional realm. Mythis a symbolic story which demonstrates the inner meaning of the universe and of human life.
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From the midst of the menhirs
It seems the world
Was born right here
And here returns

a guide will be in touch soon in response to your request


It is a quote from The Art of Zen, by Alan Watts.

I asked "Veritas - I seek the truth"

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Diandra
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I asked for knowledge, and I found my passage in an English translation of 'The Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu'. This translation is called "The SHOSHIN SUTRA" (The Beginners Mind Sutra) and is the primary text for Shoshin Zen. The entire text is lengthy, but here's a link if you care to read it. http://www.geocities.com/shoshindojo/

Quote:
Thirty spokes are joined together in a wheel,
but it is the center hole
that allows the wheel to function.
We mold clay into a pot,
but it is the emptiness inside
that makes the vessel useful.
We fashion wood for a house,
but it is the emptiness inside
that makes it livable.
We work with the substantial,
but the emptiness is what we use
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From the midst of the menhirs
It seems the world
Was born right here
And here returns

a guide will be in touch soon in response to your request


Dia
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AbuAmaal
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I didn't ask for anything, just sent a quotation consisting
mainly of Coleridge and a touch of WS.

Quote:

Thirty spokes are joined together in a wheel,
but it is the center hole
that allows the wheel to function.
We mold clay into a pot,
but it is the emptiness inside
that makes the vessel useful.
We fashion wood for a house,
but it is the emptiness inside
that makes it livable.
We work with the substantial,
but the emptiness is what we use
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>From the midst of the menhirs
It seems the world
Was born right here
And here returns




The first part is again from the Tao Te Ching, chap. 11.

The "myth as a continuous sequence" quotation is
from Levi-Strauss, Myth and Meaning

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Aveena
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KyraB wrote:
(from Alan Watts' definitive account of what he calls 'The Game of God')

Every positive statement about ultimate things must be made in the suggestive form of myth, of poetry. For in this realm the direct and indicative forms of speech can only say "neti, neti" (Sanskrit for "no, no"), since what can be described and categorized must always belong to the conventional realm. Mythis a symbolic story which demonstrates the inner meaning of the universe and of human life.
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From the midst of the menhirs
It seems the world
Was born right here
And here returns

a guide will be in touch soon in response to your request


I received this same one, though the last line doesn't seem to be a direct quote from Watts (at least not that I can find).

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LazarusLong
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myssfitz quote is from "Calypso and Calypsonians", by Alice Schwartz.

The original German text is here:
http://www2.rz.hu-berlin.de/fpm/popscrip/themen/pst03/pst03060.htm

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Myssfitz
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dmax's reply was from the Tao Te Ching also, but from Chapter 78 (see his above, it's the first one)
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Myssfitz
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LazarusLong wrote:
myssfitz quote is from "Calypso and Calypsonians", by Alice Schwartz.

The original German text is here:
http://www2.rz.hu-berlin.de/fpm/popscrip/themen/pst03/pst03060.htm


Thank you Lazarus. English translation anywhere? I'm going hunting...again Shocked

i got part of that translated. It seems to be an editorial by Alice Schwartz talking about a song. I haven't found out the name of the song yet.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr
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KyraB
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The last line seems to be taken out of context because i found "inner meaning of the universe and of human life" in many places referencing Watts, but nothing with the whole sentence...weird...

Aveena wrote:
KyraB wrote:
(from Alan Watts' definitive account of what he calls 'The Game of God')

Every positive statement about ultimate things must be made in the suggestive form of myth, of poetry. For in this realm the direct and indicative forms of speech can only say "neti, neti" (Sanskrit for "no, no"), since what can be described and categorized must always belong to the conventional realm. Mythis a symbolic story which demonstrates the inner meaning of the universe and of human life.
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From the midst of the menhirs
It seems the world
Was born right here
And here returns

a guide will be in touch soon in response to your request


I received this same one, though the last line doesn't seem to be a direct quote from Watts (at least not that I can find).


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