unforum

[Bruce]

[konamouse]

[kosmopol]

*Back from Oblivion*

Yes, I agree, uF is OOG, and our PM knows this. I think with all this "uF is IG" stuff he is playing a semi-alternate reality with us. I mean, this is sarcastic and strong perspective to feel no escape from the cold eyes of IG characters.

I mean, imagine a world without escape, without asylum. A world, where you are forced to choice a position... Actually, realistic scenario, in relation to our socio-political situations all over the world nowadays.

He is experimenting with our perception of reality, and I like it. And he hasn't really violated the rules of our forum in the forum. He respects the rules, even if he laughs about them outside.

If he's Mephisto, he is it in the Goethe's depicted way: Mephisto, even beeing the part of darkness, hadn't actually did anything terrible or bad. He just has shown the way for Faust to do his crimes. In this case Mephisto is not guilty in all the mess, but Faust is (or people are).

OK, now I'm fully irritated, and I have to read so many threads in this board... Short, I'm back.

[Syncopal]

Ok My thoughts on this... no matter how this ends... if it ends.... you can't tell me that the 4chan folks or hell even some folks from here at uF aren't going to take subtle/not so subtle revenge for all of this... simply because of these IG/OOG infractions...

I mean seriously if it is just a publicity stunt to say 'Look!!! I peaked the interest of 5 million people' so you should hire me... I think it's a bad move.

It might be acurate and deserve whatever praises that deserves... but you can't tell me that 4 million of those people are going to try and screw patrick markesano and whoever he works with for the unforeseeable future... I mean Im not even a vindictive person and have minimal expertise but I'm thinking if I ever get a chance I'm going to....

And you can include Woo and whoever else in RL that he brings into this... cause well thats just how it goes...

Yea Nice perks... LOL!!!!

[Nighthawk]

There are those people that look at raw reach numbers, their eyes widen when they see the "five million unique users".

But, from a marketing perspective, honestly... At this point how many of those are prospective customers? Would any of these BUY anything? You could have five million or fifty million; it's irrelevant if you can't convert them in to business revenue.

All the other promotions of this magnitude (or close to it, anyway) have had a financial purpose: to get people to go see a movie, to go buy a product, something. I'd like to think that there's some sort of product behind this (the alternative to that is, frankly, unthinkable), but it's too late for that. We believe the brand they are trying to establish is "She Stirs" or something like that... How much of that brand has been established at this point? How many of those five million people know that brand and think "Hey, I want some of that!"

Now, to create all this for a portfolio, to show off to the world "hey, I'm capable of getting five million unique people to see my stuff," it all goes back to the quality of the experience. If their exposure was enjoyable, they'll come back. If you piss off the potential clients, or do things that have no sense of purpose or direction, people are not going to have you waste their time.

Look at this game: they have over four thousand followers on Facebook. How many of those are active? 30? 40? How many of us are there playing this "game"? Half that?

From an advertising and marketing perspective, can you really qualify this as a success?

Let me put this in some perspective... Since this game has started, I have acquired over 250 new registrations to Rachel's Walk as a direct result of my exposure in it. I have over 250 email addresses that I can market to at my discretion (I won't, but still), 250 email address of people interested in the genre. If I treat these users right and give them a memorable experience, they will stick around for the long term.

[mamimi]

Yeah, I can yell "fire" in a crowded club and get a few hundred people's attention. Doesn't mean they're going to think I'm awesome, or buy anything I try to sell them afterwards. I think this is the PM's problem. I'm not sure that he understands that being abusive isn't going to win him any customers, even if it gets people to look at his stuff. (Also: I don't know if anyone that interested in fashion is all that interested in playing a ARG, especially one of this nature.) Also, if it's for his portfolio, if anyone he shops this to really digs around, aren't they going to see some of the questionable things he's done and realize they don't really want to associate with him? I give him credit for drawing people in, but I don't know that I'd want to hire him.

[redct]

Definitely. I know more than a few people really have wanted to/still want to throttle Patrick for what's been going on, some have threatened FBI, and have even considered lawsuits. 5 million unique visitors! However, some of those are an angry mob.

[haven]

[Nighthawk]

Noted.

[Ad_Arcana_Tutanda]

[haven]

[Perspective]

ON ART vs. CONSUMERISM

[redct]

Re: ON ART vs. CONSUMERISM

[Syncopal]

Re: ON ART vs. CONSUMERISM

[Soulmech]

I'm somewhere in the middle on this. While I think that it's a good thing for the PM to break out of the conventions that have been put in place for ARGs, I don't think that posting people's information and attempting to direct attacks at real-world websites was a good idea.

Maybe if the Junsui asked for a DDoS against MoT, that'd make things more interesting without jeopardizing an OOG website.