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will_bushman
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the flea jumping huhn, just out of curiousity, could this be similar too the appearing links to piece together the SPDR/PF interaction that resulted in SPDR's death. In other words, the SP talks about climbing a tower to where M and PF are hanging out, maybe these PF quotes are bread crumbs leading us up that tower, if we can figure out how to follow it.

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RMG
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Since we're talking about randomly changing parts of the site, the background GIF (http://ilovebees.com/BEEBACKG.GIF) seemed to inverse itself for a bit. This was universal to all parts of the site, but corrected itself in a minute or so.

Is this new, or am I doomed to meet a certain fishy friend... Trout

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will_bushman
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interestingly the text can be active on several pages at the same time, ie. two receipes can have PF text on it at the same time, so the text isn't exactly "jumping". But it is not really random either, because once the text is on a page it stays there for some amount of time before disapearing, seems to be a sety amount of time, not sure how long exactly. Keeping my thinking cap on.

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Framed
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RMG wrote:
Since we're talking about randomly changing parts of the site, the background GIF (http://ilovebees.com/BEEBACKG.GIF) seemed to inverse itself for a bit. This was universal to all parts of the site, but corrected itself in a minute or so.

Is this new, or am I doomed to meet a certain fishy friend... Trout



The background gif isn't imune to the occasional inserted text.

^__^

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SuperJerms
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Isn't it absolutely fascinating that PM's figured out a way to have a live and scampering PF in the website?
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tenshukain
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honey

re-check the honey page, this might be trout-riffic, but i just found this on top of the flock of "seek the" truth bull:


"Hi! Ignore the Pious Flea.

Play with me instead!



Making a mistake is a good way to start!"

any ideas, or ammi about to see the most trout signs ever?

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Ten, look a page back ^_^ that's the SP trying to get you to make a mistake in the uri(url) so you can talk to her!

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Flashbolt7
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Does anyone else think that maybe Pius Flea might stand for something else. I did a little research (google) and found a poem about fleas with some religous references which got me thinking that maybe

Pius=Holy and Flea=?

Any ideas?

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sniperomega
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is there an area where all of the flea's spouts are logged? either on-site or somewhere on this forum?..

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WhiteGulls
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will_bushman wrote:
the flea jumping huhn, just out of curiousity, could this be similar too the appearing links to piece together the SPDR/PF interaction that resulted in SPDR's death. In other words, the SP talks about climbing a tower to where M and PF are hanging out, maybe these PF quotes are bread crumbs leading us up that tower, if we can figure out how to follow it.


I think that this is just the Princess stating in fancy-fancy terms that Melissa and the Flea are doing everything in plain sight - the web pages, while the Princess is simply skulking around the lowest pages - the 404, where people only go when they make mistakes, and hiding messages in the images. Melissa and the Flea never do anything like that, AFIK.
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will_bushman
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I'm not sure if this will end up helping, but the fleas quotes seem to load on a single page for thirty seconds, or keep loading rather as you refresh. To my knowledge this is the first aspect of the website that loads for a certain period of time, all the old elements seemed to load randomly. Also, the switch between background colors seems to be timed, but I haven't timed that yet.

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HitsHerMark
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Avatrix wrote:
I almost didn't post this part, cause I thought it would be trout, but muses.gif is changing too. I couldn't find a message embedded at all, but i have a copy if someone thinks they can find a steg in it.


I noticed that as well... If there was something in there, I could not find it.
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ABoxInABox
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Re: The coding nitty-gritty behind variations in the site...

jitterBox wrote:
Based on the nature of the server error messages (not in game) that appeared during the 8/24 flood of visitors to ILB, we can conclude that the ILB site is actually built with ASP.NET--not unexpected since Microsoft has an interest here. Thus, despite the fact that the pages have .html extensions and might seem to be static, the desired effects of the hacking and corruption are achieved by using the dynamic web-serving features of ASP.NET (perhaps through a custom ISAPI filter).

ASP is too slow to rewrite pages that quickly. More likely there is a custom-made server or a program running outside of the server program.

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The designers/coders can cause (and have caused) random, or seemingly random variations of content to be sent with every page load, if they so desire. This includes text sizes and colors, image and HTML element sizing on pages, causing different data to be sent out on multiple requests for the same file...any characteristic of a web page is under their control, obviously (and frankly, I'd like to see how they did a lot of it once the game's done--it would be fascinating to us programmers Wink ).

Quite simply, file editing.

[EDIT] Faulty quote tag.

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jitterBox
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no...sorry...it's ASP.NET

Sorry aboxinabox, I've been a web coder for 8 years--this isn't speculation, it's fact. The server error page that was encountered when the user load was extremely high on 8/24 is one only served by ASP.NET. A statement like "ASP is too slow..." is naive and shows a lack of understanding of the technologies involved. First of all, it's not ASP that we're dealing with here, it's ASP.NET, which is far and away the most performant dynamic web serving technology available. I program pages in it every day whose contents change on a per-hit basis and handle simultaneous user loads in the hundreds or thousands. But that's not the point.

There's no way that anyone in these forums is going to buy the notion that every time a corrupted graphic changes or a background color changes, it's due to a PM manually editing the contents of a file. They change too often, and they change 24/7. These pages are dynamically coded to introduce certain randomizations into the content that is returned. The exact methods used are deliberately hidden since it needs to look like a hack or inadvertent corruption, and only HTML is returned, but Microsoft technologies are behind it, without question. It's a shame the PHP-based Wiki hasn't held up as well under a lesser load than the ILB site has encountered.

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truegent
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META META META META META

We have gone a bit META here, but I think this can be answered easily with no technical knowledge needed.

This is an ARG(ish) that is supposedly (likely) being done by Bungie. Bungie is owned and bankrolled by??? Microsoft. If Microsoft is going to host a web site is it going to run Linux and Apache? Websphere? Use ColdFusion? No. It is going to be running Windows 2003, IIS and ASP.NET.

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