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kadomony
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adolgonosov wrote:
I've plotted this too, it looks like each of the following groups forms a straight line (locations mentioned twice or more are vertices):

Line
Kjerringøy, Norway +67.57 +14.68
Kosvinsky Mountain, Russia +59.51 +59.06
Lake Yamdrok, Tibet +28.93 +91.07
Rothsay, Australia -29.21 +117.63

Line
Kjerringøy, Norway +67.57 +14.68
Ljubljana, Slovenia +46.06 +14.51
Mnajdra Temple, Malta +35.83 +14.44
Lekoni River, Gabon -1.6 +14.22

Line
La Serena, Chile -29.91 -71.25
Carazinho, Brazil -28.28 -52.77
Ljubljana, Slovenia +46.06 +14.51
Yamantau Mountain, Russia +54.25 +58.10

Line (possible coincidence)
Kosvinsky Mountain, Russia +59.51 +59.06
Yamantau Mountain, Russia +54.25 +58.10
Dubai, UAE (Men of Taste related)



from Chekunov:
Group 1

LAIBACH
CARAZINHO
[неразборчиво]

Group 2

[неразборчиво]
KJERINGOY
[неразборчиво]

Group 3

[неразборчиво]
[неразборчиво]
LEKONI

so we'll need 3 locations on a line for each group

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:07 am
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I forgot to add a line and fixed a mistake in one... here's the complete list now:

fixed version of discovered lines wrote:
Line 1 (lines up approx. on winter solstice solar terminal)
Kjerringøy, Norway +67.57 +14.68
Kosvinsky Mountain, Russia +59.51 +59.06
Lake Yamdrok, Tibet +28.93 +91.07
Rothsay, Australia -29.21 +117.63

Line 2 (lines up approx. on vernal and autumnal equinox solar terminal)
Kjerringøy, Norway +67.57 +14.68
Ljubljana, Slovenia +46.06 +14.51
Mnajdra Temple, Malta +35.83 +14.44
Lekoni River, Gabon -1.6 +14.22

Line 3
La Serena, Chile -29.91 -71.25
Carazinho, Brazil -28.28 -52.77
Lekoni River, Gabon -1.6 +14.22
Yamdrok Lake, Tibet +28.93 +91.07

Line 4 (lines up approx. on summer solstice solar terminal)
Carazinho, Brazil -28.28 -52.77
Ljubljana, Slovenia +46.06 +14.51
Yamantau Mountain, Russia +54.25 +58.10

Line 5 (possible coincidence)
Kosvinsky Mountain, Russia +59.51 +59.06
Yamantau Mountain, Russia +54.25 +58.10
Dubai, UAE (Men of Taste related)


I'm still not quite sure what to do with the location groups, but here are some possibilities (italicized items are speculation):

possible groups based on seasons wrote:

Group 1 (approx. align on summer solstice)
Ljubljana, Slovenia +46.06 +14.51
Carazinho, Brazil -28.28 -52.77
Yamantau Mountain, Russia +54.25 +58.10 (both work) (apparently no other options for this)

Group 2 (approx. align on winter solstice)
Yamdrok Lake, Tibet +28.93 +91.07
Kjerringøy, Norway +67.57 +14.68
Rothsay, Australia -29.21 +117.63 OR Kosvinsky Mountain, Russia +59.51 +59.06 (both work)

Group 3 (approx. align on vernal and autumnal equinoxes)
Ljubljana, Slovenia +46.06 +14.51
Mnajdra Temple, Malta +35.83 +14.44 OR Kjerringøy, Norway +67.57 +14.68 (both work)
Lekoni River, Gabon -1.6 +14.22


The only problem with the whole season thing is those solar terminals aren't at the exact time of the equinoxes/solstices... just on the same day. That might not be such a big deal though. This version also leaves out La Serena, Chile... but I can't make that fit on a line unless we abandon the season thing.

EDIT: Actually, this is awesome, we can do it without repeats:

another possible distribution wrote:

Group 1 (approx. align on summer solstice)
Ljubljana, Slovenia +46.06 +14.51
Carazinho, Brazil -28.28 -52.77
Yamantau Mountain, Russia +54.25 +58.10

Group 2 (approx. align on winter solstice)
Kosvinsky Mountain, Russia +59.51 +59.06
Kjerringøy, Norway +67.57 +14.68
Rothsay, Australia -29.21 +117.63

Group 3 (doesn't appear to correlate to a solar event)
La Serena, Chile -29.91 -71.25
Yamdrok Lake, Tibet +28.93 +91.07
Lekoni River, Gabon -1.6 +14.22


This version doesn't use Mnajdra... but I think it works better. We still get both solstices, and we use all of our locations exactly once.

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kadomony
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OK, I don't have the facilities to plot those lines, but can you check if they form a triangle with Mnajdra at the center as suggested before?

Also, try sending that list to Chekunov.

edit: check out the Mnajdra symbol.
Only two points are needed to make a line, but the Mnajdra symbol seems to be pointing to three points along each line ;D
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Chekunov has messaging disabled on FB, but I sent it to Yuri. Here's a visual.



The groups are based on this:

Quote:

Group 1 (approx. align on summer solstice)
Ljubljana, Slovenia +46.06 +14.51
Carazinho, Brazil -28.28 -52.77
Yamantau Mountain, Russia +54.25 +58.10

Group 2 (approx. align on winter solstice)
Kosvinsky Mountain, Russia +59.51 +59.06
Kjerringøy, Norway +67.57 +14.68
Rothsay, Australia -29.21 +117.63

Group 3 (doesn't appear to correlate to a solar event)
La Serena, Chile -29.91 -71.25
Yamdrok Lake, Tibet +28.93 +91.07
Lekoni River, Gabon -1.6 +14.22


...but we can shuffle them around.

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kadomony
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adolgonosov wrote:
Chekunov has messaging disabled on FB, but I sent it to Yuri. Here's a visual.




Maybe Group 3 relates to a lunar event?

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kadomony wrote:

Maybe Group 3 relates to a lunar event?


It would make sense in a goddess cult.
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kadomony wrote:
adolgonosov wrote:
Chekunov has messaging disabled on FB, but I sent it to Yuri. Here's a visual.




Maybe Group 3 relates to a lunar event?


Good idea... I don't even know how to look into that. Someone might have to figure out how to use Google Earth's sky map.

Here are images that show how the coordinates line up on solar terminators.

Summer Solstice - Group 1


Winter Solstice - Group 2


Vernal (and Autumnal) Equinox - Line 2


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adolgonosov wrote:
kadomony wrote:
adolgonosov wrote:
Chekunov has messaging disabled on FB, but I sent it to Yuri. Here's a visual.




Maybe Group 3 relates to a lunar event?


Good idea... I don't even know how to look into that. Someone might have to figure out how to use Google Earth's sky map.

Here are images that show how the coordinates line up on solar terminators.

Summer Solstice - Group 1


Winter Solstice - Group 2


Vernal (and Autumnal) Equinox - Line 2



These are great....dont forget about the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn for the diagonals. Though it may be argued that these are 'straight' lines, like the Equator, keep in mind that the Earth spins on axis that gives these line, and lines like these, a diagonal appearance. We can't rule these out. Furthermore...at least one, possibly, both are directly related to the Solstice.
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I am out of ideas on this one. We need some fresh eyes. Here's the .kml file for Google Earth (download this and open it in google earth). It has just about everything we know so far about the locations and lines.
Intelligence Catalogue.kml
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Maybe I missed it, but it seems there are still possibly 2 locations unaccounted for which we may be able to find by looking at the kml file. that thing is awesome by the way. The two items are in the La Serena letter to Dubrovin. Chic Bomb and Unbekannte (unknown one). A couple of the items listed in the La Serena letter were anagrams, so Chic Bomb could be an anagram for a location. Unbekannte is German for unkown one, so perhaps that is not even a location. If you already identified these and I missed it, then disregard this whole mess.

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nrkey420 wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but it seems there are still possibly 2 locations unaccounted for which we may be able to find by looking at the kml file. that thing is awesome by the way. The two items are in the La Serena letter to Dubrovin. Chic Bomb and Unbekannte (unknown one). A couple of the items listed in the La Serena letter were anagrams, so Chic Bomb could be an anagram for a location. Unbekannte is German for unkown one, so perhaps that is not even a location. If you already identified these and I missed it, then disregard this whole mess.


No, you're completely right. I still have no good guesses for "Chic Bomb!" or "Unbekkante?".

One thing I did notice though, was that the entries from that email seem to follow a pattern.

- the first entry in each of the two groups is basically handed to us (in caps)
- the second entries are anagrams (oh czarina, reeking joy)
- the third entries maybe can be solved the same way as each other... we just haven't identified the pattern yet (and they have punctuation)

Also, here is a massively updated version of the Google Earth Intel Catalogue. We've identified about 10 lines so far (some of them may be spurious, though... one of the challenges is going to be figuring out which ones are real/important and which ones are coincidence, if any).

Download link for updated .kml file:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?dlmknjngnyl

edit: removed attachment... PM me for download password

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Unbekannte is actually the FEMALE form of stranger, or unknown: http://www.dict.cc/german-english/Unbekannte.html

Chic Bomb could also mean "Fashion Explosion" which could be referring to Paris (usually recognized as fashion capital of the world)

notice, too the pattern the names were written in the email:
Quote:

LA SERENA

Oh Czarina

Chic Bomb!

LAIBACH

Reeking Joy

Unbekannte?


2 sets of 3 lines each:
1st line is capitalized
2nd line is two words, 1st letters capitalized (and are anagrams)
3rd line is ended with punctuation

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kadomony wrote:
Unbekannte is actually the FEMALE form of stranger, or unknown: http://www.dict.cc/german-english/Unbekannte.html

Chic Bomb could also mean "Fashion Explosion" which could be referring to Paris (usually recognized as fashion capital of the world)

notice, too the pattern the names were written in the email:
Quote:

LA SERENA

Oh Czarina

Chic Bomb!

LAIBACH

Reeking Joy

Unbekannte?


2 sets of 3 lines each:
1st line is capitalized
2nd line is two words, 1st letters capitalized (and are anagrams)
3rd line is ended with punctuation


Darn, I finally see it, I really though that mail was just blahblah from /b/ or something, can't remember why. Thks for the summary Kadomony.

About "chic bomb" when you mentioned it could be Paris, it triggered on me the idea of the french nuclear tests done in Algeria and Moruroa, this last somewhat "near" the Dubai antipode. Just brainstorming...

I still dont fully get the relevance of the coordinates as place themselves... I feel it all points towards dates.

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MoT just sent a message out on the facebook group saying the cordinates were just part of the disinformatiln campaign...

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Chic Bomb! = Cachimbo?

I just want to make it clear that I am certainly NOT taking the side of these Russians. If I have to choose between the words of Putin's stooges and some exploited women, I will give the benefit of the doubt to the latter. The memory of their poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko is a little too fresh in my memory.


And I don't buy for a second this nonsense about these coordinates being disinformation (or Rei having undergone pyschological 'deprogramming'). It seems Alfa-Tsentr's intel people were very interested themselves in these names left at the Martinstown house until their commanders abruptly pulled the plug. I think we were getting a little too close to something? I suggest we continue on our own. There are simply too many coincidences for the information to be a false information plant.

According to the Alfa-Tsentr signal intel guy, the locations were originally written on a door jam in the house (date?) and then defaced recently (likely by the writer of the 'internethatemachine' e-mail to Dubrovin).

Whatever 'Chic Bomb!' stood for had apparently been defaced to the point of being illegible.



LA SERENA = La Serena

Oh Czarina = Carazinho

Chic Bomb! = Cochimbo = Cachimbo???

LAIBACH = Laibach (Ljubljana)

Reeking Joy = Kjerringøy

Unbekannte? = stranger, unknown in German


With respect to 'chic bomb!', could have the writer of the anagrams who presumably read them from the notation on the door jam, mistaken the letter 'a' for an 'o'?

The reason I ask is because I was looking for locations in South America (particularly Brasil since Dubrovin said he was flying there) and I found this:

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Quote:
The Cachimbo test site, officially named Brigadeiro Velloso Test Site (Portuguese: Campo de Provas Brigadeiro Velloso), is located in the State of Pará and covers 45,000 square kilometres, an area larger than the Netherlands. It is within this military area that a 320 meters-deep hole at the Cachimbo Mountain Range was site for nuclear explosives tests. The shaft has been public knowledge since 1986 and was allegedly abandoned in September 1990, when President Fernando Collor de Mello used a small shovel to symbolically seal up the hole.




Another mountain facility? hmmmm...

I also find the link between these South American countries and Mr. Otto Skorzeny compelling. This Nazi SS commander was reputedly in charge of the ODESSA program which smuggled top Nazi leaders to South American countries including Brasil, Argentina, and Chile.

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

Quote:
Besides organising the "ratlines," which would form the basis of the supposed ODESSA network after the war, Skorzeny had been employed since August 1944 by high-ranking Nazis and German industrialists to hide money and documents, some of which was buried in the mountains or dropped in the lakes of Bavaria, and some shipped overseas.


Quote:
Using the cover names of Robert Steinbacher and Otto Steinbauer, and supported by either Nazi funds (or according to some sources Austrian Intelligence), he set up a secret organization named Die Spinne which helped as many as 600 former SS men escape from Germany to Spain, Argentina, Paraguay, Chile, Bolivia, and other countries. As the years went by, Skorzeny, Gehlen, and their network of collaborators gained enormous influence in Europe and Latin America, Skorzeny travelling between Franquist Spain and Argentina, where he acted as an advisor to President Juan Perón, his aim to foster the growth of a fascist "Fourth Reich" centered in Latin America.


Quote:

He spent part of his time between 1959 and 1969 in Ireland, where he bought Martinstown House, a 200-acre (0.81 km2) farm in County Kildare in 1959. He also had property in Mallorca.


Note that Otto had several properties worldwide. I wonder if we can find out where dear Captain Pablo Skorzeny of Alfa-Tsentr was born?


From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODESSA

Quote:

The purpose of ODESSA was to establish and facilitate secret escape routes, later known as ratlines, for SS members out of Germany and Austria to South America and the Middle East.


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