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[PUZZLE] The coordinates
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cma3
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 		Re: Chic Bomb! = Cachimbo?
Communion of 4 wrote:


And I don't buy for a second this nonsense about these coordinates being disinformation (or Rei having undergone pyschological 'deprogramming'). It seems Alfa-Tsentr's intel people were very interested themselves in these names left at the Martinstown house until their commanders abruptly pulled the plug. I think we were getting a little too close to something? I suggest we continue on our own. There are simply too many coincidences for the information to be a false information plant.

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Clearly, the coordinates are still in play. It is also very clear that Azef's announcement was a power play and up until now the second piece of disinformation that we have been presented with (that i know of).

What I think that we have to keep in mind is that the (untouched) body of Curragh Evidence email was written and leaked out as disinformation...that was the puzzle. Once we (and by we, i am referring to Alek) started cracking it and aligning the points it became valid, too much effort was put into not only making them all relevant in some way...but also lining up and crisscrossing specific points multiple times in a very specific order and time frame.

We can argue about what is what and who is who and who did what to whom, but the second we start placing what needs to be IG and what does not, its pretty evident that those that needed to get played, on both sides of the aisle, did in fact get played.

For them (A-T + MoT) to follow this announcement to the exact letter and specifics as it is written would be a massive Meta fail. Anyone that has ever worked for a corporation or even the government can relate this and these types of press releases. There was a lot of back peddling and peekaboo messages from key players including Tretiak, Skorzeny and Chekunov just before they faded to black that makes this all relevant and very much still in play.

Finally...anything, everything, all things introduced, discussed, posted, messaged, tweeted, etc by any of the IG characters are in play and all are IG and relevant. this includes "disinformation".

just my 2¢.
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adolgonosov
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 		Initially I was worried that the Curragh stuff actually was fake, but cma3 is right, the things we have uncovered from it make too much sense for it to be entirely a coincidence. At this point in the game, I think a lot of us have come to rely on A-T and MoT for valid information, simply because in the past they were providing it when the Junsui were not.

I think it might be about time for that to change. The more we look at this stuff, the more it becomes evident that both sides have some dark secrets. It would definitely be a massive META fail to have us put so much work into the Curragh evidence if it turned out to be irrelevant. In fact, Yuri and Pablo directly encouraged and rewarded us for doing so, until their superiors pulled the plug.

We've seen one side of the coin, and I have a feeling we are on our way to seeing the other.

By the way, Cachimbo was a fantastic find Co4 Smile

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 		Re: Chic Bomb! = Cachimbo?
cma3 wrote:

For them (A-T + MoT) to follow this announcement to the exact letter and specifics as it is written would be a massive Meta fail.


Agreed, though I lack of lot of background to keep it up, so guess I'll fall into lurker-mode-on for a while.

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adolgonosov wrote:

I think it might be about time for that to change. The more we laook at this stuff, the more it becomes evident that both sides have some dark secrets. It would definitely be a massive META fail to have us put so much work into the Curragh evidence if it turned out to be irrelevant. In fact, Yuri and Pablo directly encouraged and rewarded us for doing so, until their superiors pulled the plug.

We've seen one side of the coin, and I have a feeling we are on our way to seeing the other.

By the way, Cachimbo was a fantastic find Co4 Smile


I agree with both points. This isn't a case of "good v. evil", and we have to keep that in perspective when we figure out what leads to go by. I think Curragh is definitely a place to look at, maybe even more so now that Azef has tried to cover it up.

And yeah, Cachimbo was a pretty good find. Glad to have you working with us.

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 		BTW: We did discover in the "meta" hunt that this game is intended to have a very large presence in South America, specifically Brazil. So that's not that far off.
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kadomony
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 		i'm still not convinced Chic Bomb = Cachimbo.


LA SERENA - LAIBACH (capitalized, historical names for places. btw, Laibach was the name of Ljubljana until 1918, which coincidentally is the year Sultan Abdul Hamid II died)

Oh Czarina - Reeking Joy (anagrams)

Chic Bomb! - Unbekannte? (punctuation ended, probable metaphors for a person, place, or thing)

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adolgonosov
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Communion of 4 wrote:
Note that Otto had several properties worldwide. I wonder if we can find out where dear Captain Pablo Skorzeny of Alfa-Tsentr was born?


Maybe this is why his name is Pablo? To my knowledge, that's not a Russian first name at all, and Skorzeny certainly isn't a Latino name. If his parents were exiled Nazis, he could have assumed or been given the name Pablo in order to fit in better in his country of birth.

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adolgonosov wrote:
Communion of 4 wrote:
Note that Otto had several properties worldwide. I wonder if we can find out where dear Captain Pablo Skorzeny of Alfa-Tsentr was born?


Maybe this is why his name is Pablo? To my knowledge, that's not a Russian first name at all, and Skorzeny certainly isn't a Latino name. If his parents were exiled Nazis, he could have assumed or been given the name Pablo in order to fit in better in his country of birth.


you're right i'm pettry sure that's must be Pavel

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 		I can't find a source for reference, but I read that Otto Skorzeny was a member of the Knights of Malta.

EDIT: Here it is:

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The Sovereign Military Order of Malta

...Other leading Knights included CIA chiefs Allen Dulles, John McCone, and William Casey. Nazi International figure Otto Skorzeny was a Knight, as was businessman J. Peter Grace, who used the SMOM's diplomatic immunity as a cover for Iran-Contra activities.


Taken from:


Italy's Black Prince:
Terror War Against the Nation-State
by Allen Douglas
The Black Prince and the Sea Devils:
The Story of Valerio Borghese and the
Elite Units of the Decima Mas
by Jack Greene and Alessandro Massignani
Cambridge, Mass.: Da Capo Press, 2004 284 pages, hardcover, $27.50
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