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[Anton P. Nym]

A general note on SPARTANS, just to keep things sane in the thread. (Alas! A contribution that I can make! Feeling kinda sidelined by the axon thing.)

There is no way that SPARTAN attributes could be passed down from parent to child. All the modifications done were surgical or hormonal (hormonal modifications were made via surgical implants) and none of those touch DNA.

That doesn't mean that Jan isn't a SPARTAN or part of a similar program, but it moots all the "can SPARTANs have kids" questions at least in relation to this thread.

-- Steve hopes this helps make things a bit clearer.

[Wally]

and when people say that j^2 burned down the police station, who cares if he did it personally, or if he had others do it, either way, he did it.

when we say that he did it, we're no tsaying that he went down there with a 5 gallon bucket of 87 and a book of matches, or home made napalm, or a giant damn cartoon bomb or something, we are saying he was responsible.

[chaotic_mind]

But, Wally, do we really KNOW that.

Yes, it might seem pedantic of me. Still, I remain by my assertion that we don't know if J squared really intended the fire or not.

Do I think he is culpable in the arson, and that he has something to do with it's execution. Yes, quite possibly.

Do I KNOW? Not at all.

Once again, we've reached the point where we must wait for the fair PMs to update us.

Besides, what about the kitchen axons? Who knows how THOSE tie in.

Luke P.

[Astald]

I agree, those roads might not tie in at all. Melissa was having SPDR build the original roads for her, those are the axons on the fun stuff page. It was only after SPDR's mistaken road into the sea that Melissa came under counsel from the flea and built the rest of those roads herself. The four new roads on recipe 3 are directly coming from the flea, therefore, these wavs might have a completely different target than the originals.

[Cu Roi]

[Wally]

ok, then let me ask you a question... are the three story arks in the wavs connected? answer? yes. they are, by the power outage at the VERY LEAST.. ok, so every file except that one is related. right? wrong, why would they give us 29 files that are related, and one that is unrelated(no matter the fact that 95% of the people here knew where it fit into the grand scheme of things, and the cause of it the as soon as we got it....) ok, next up, whether he (j^2) had the place burned, he went there with a flame thrower and an apron that sais "kiss the cook", or if he wanted it taken care of, and he didn't realize it was gonna burn, the thing is, j^2 caused it to happen. <------ (PERIOD) anyway you look at it, it happened because he was "going to take care of it" . <--------(PERIOD)

<------ (PERIOD) this is what i say when i want to make a point that something is damned obvious and someone cant get it through their skull.


ho ho... :-0

[chaotic_mind]

I think I see what you're saying. Still, understanding is hard enough to come by in the real world, let alone over a forum post.

As to my being a little dense...well I DID say I was being pedantic, after all. Is it easy to draw a causal link between J squared saying "he'd take care of it" and the eventual fire. Yes, it is easy to draw that think. It is easy to place "emergency" after "you_knew". Does that mean the easy road is the right road. Meh, not enough evidence in my opinion. Still, I could just be thick skulled.

But, like I said, I'm just being pedantic. I saw someone claiming a statement of fact, but to my mind it wasn't quite fact. Thought it would be better to keep the options open, rather than falling into the trap of assumptions.

Further, I want to make it clear that JJ's relationship to the arson may have a influence over my opinion of him as a character. Being the one who planned and authorized arson in completely cold blood tends to make some one less sympathetic then a father worried about his child, who in haste causes something terrible that he had no direct control over.

Still, YMMV. I guess it's your call.

Luke P.

[Wally]

um, noone died. just lots of destroyed equipment. can you really do something and it be coldblooded if noone dies? and i figure well over 80% of the folks here believe that j^2 isn't jans pops, and not for the idiot reason that she faltered a bit on the pop quiz (i'm sorry, but if secret agent man in charge of me came in after i got picked up by autorities, i'd be bnervous too.), most of us believe he is her caretaker/tamer/handler. me i like the word controller. it fits beter to me, seeing as its a cia term, and it fits better in that context than any of the other words....

[zeptomole]

[Wally]

we still have only 3 story arcs.... jersey durga, jx2 (jan and james), and the dates. beer, the answering machine, the seperate dates, the message to aiden. they all have wind ups and wind downs. but they aren't seperate stories are they, wait, dont answer that, there was a dude that argued that we didn't know for sure that the dates were the same guy throughout.... he was a pain...

lets look at it this way, we have 30 random sounds none of them are connected. none of them have anything to do with each other. you cant prove they do. prove me wrong. that is most folks arguement.

you want me to give you my best arguement as to why they are connected? i can listen. no, not sit here and type and hear the files. but LISTEN to them. most of the folks here have heard them, but most people dont bother to listen. its a skill... i developed it because in germany(my dad was stationed there.), and if you wanted to see or here anything in english after 8 at night, it was radio dramas. the green hornet, sherlock holmes, the lone ranger, gang buster, etc... you listen to 2 hours a night, every night, for almost 5 years, you get pretty good at this. because what is this, but a big radio drama. so my arguemt is this, in a court of law, you could call me "an expert witness" it is my testemony that i'm right.

[SecondSundodger]

On assumptions...

[Scumbag]

[Ceantari]

Try this on for size:

Who was more against the project that anthing from what the books mention?

COLONEL ACKERSON

... actually... COLONEL JAMES ACKERSON [First Strike, p. 100]

First name JAMES - isn't that a coincidence?

COLONEL JAMES ACKERSON really wasn't against the SPARTAN-II project, he really was against DR. CATHRINE HALSEY. ACKERSON always wants to be on top and noticed 24/7.

While trapped on REACH inside the ONI SECTION III of CASTLE base, DR. HALSEY accesses into retrieving KELLY-087's DNA, and discovers two folders created by COLONEL ACKERSON.

The two folders were labelled: S-III and KING UNDER THE MOUNTAIN [First Strike, p. 129]. In the folder S-III DR. HASLEY finds tons of files, records on each SPARTAN. It even quotes to a thought of ACKERSON'S action:

[... There were DNA profiles on each Spartan, and there were extensive files on the old flash clone techniques that ONI had used to replace the originals. Ackerson seemed especially interested in this aspect of the program. He had followed the medical records of the replacements as they grew up, succumbed to cogenital diseases, and inevitably died. He even had the bodies retrieved and autopsies performed...]

The other folder within S-III reads [... CPOMZ followed by a 512-character alphanumeric string. "This longer portion is a star chart reference," she whispered.
"Yes, Doctor, but it's not a destination to any location in UNSC-controlled space."
What the hell had Ackerson been up to?...]

And the folder KING UNDER THE MOUNTAIN contains three folders, carrying information on the locations of the COVENANT ARTIFACTS.

excerpt p. 131: [... This was more than a curiosity, now. Ackerson had been sitting on a tremendous secret - a very dangerous secret. "Just his style to play with fire and get us all burned."...]

ACKERSON gotta secret!

Then there's this excerpt which makes this theory quite concrete:

[... Ackerson nodded, seemingly satisfied with this answer. "So everyone on Reach is gone, then. Vice Admiral Whitcomb. Doctor Halsey, too." He nodded and added, "Such a tremendous waste." There was no sympathy in his voice.
"I could only speculate, sir."
"No need," Ackerson muttered. He returned to his seat.
(Major General Nicolas) Strauss sighed. "At least we have your special weapons programs, Ackerson. Halsey's SPARTAN-IIs were such a great suc-"
Ackerson shot the General a look that could have blasted through battle plate.
The General halted midsentence and snapped his mouth closed.
(Lieutenant) Wagner stood absolutely still and stared straight ahead, pretending he hadn't seen such a gross breach of military protocol. A General knuckling under to a junior officer? Something extraordinary had just been revealed - there was some kind of backup plan on a par with the SPARTAN program, and Ackerson was behind it. The Colonel suddenly had a lot of juice.
Wagner continued to feign ignorance - and no matter what, he didn't meet Colonel Ackerson's gaze. If Ackerson suspected that he'd caught on, the bastard would have him erased to prevent his secret from getting back to Section Three. ...] p. 103

Let's see... with this... ACKERSON has all of the SPARTANs' DNA records, medical history, biological birth origins, locations/records on all COVENANT ARTIFACTS, and a secret location outside of UNSC jurisdiction. Something have to do with the labelling: S-III?

CHIEF PETTY OFFICER MENDEZ isn't dead; he is MIA. Perhaps MENDEZ will rendezvous with ACKERSON at that location? Gonna train some new SPARTANs.

JAN... What if... JAN is a better clone off of one of the SPARTANs' DNA. This cloning was done at the SECRET LOCATION by ACKERSON and STRAUSS. MENDEZ trains her (and perhaps some other better clones too). Perhaps she gets those special implantations done to her and lives. In the audio it doesn't mention that JAN did or didn't lose her sexual interest; the guys are finding her attractive. Something happens to where ACKERSON must create a new identity for himself and JAN; and so, JAMES JAMES and JANISSARY JAMES were created.

And that's where my ideas come to a halt. What was the REAL reason for JAN and her FRIENDS to steal a razor-back and hop a fence? She lied to PQI and probably lying to DAD, which makes her event that night suspicious.

[Scumbag]

Ceantari,

Last time I checked, even proper nouns don't need to be ENTIRELY CAPITALIZED.

UNLESS you perfer THIS kind of SPEAKING, even THOUGH it doesn't MAKE much SENSE at all. I mean, I could get USED to typing like THIS, even though IT is completely INNAPROPRIATE. I know it ISN"T a big thing, really, but IT is kinda IRRITATING to try and READ posts like that, AS typing all in CAPS implies shouting. I doubt THAT you're intending to SHOUT every proper noun, SEEING as how that ISN'T the way ENGLISH is both WRITTEN and spoken.

[Ceantari]

swarry -_-