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JiroKage
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 		Disassociated Member Theory
3+ parties, tied in by slender man?
I, too, came from the SA forums after they linked here. Very nicely done. After looking at all of the information, the videos, and finally the responses, I've come to a bit of a theory myself. The problem is that it hinges mainly on "exit" and "program" and the removal of audio. Here's the basic gist:

I'm not so sure that totheark is someone that is already known in the story. The reason I'm feeling this way is due to the cryptic nature of his replies to people, how they are phrased, and generally the way he is acting. I want to believe that one of these people might be as cryptic, but would avoid the "double-speak", as in words mashed together. I also think the clues would be a bit more concrete. The whole response system from him seems almost other-worldly and spooky. However, that could just be a ruse to throw people off.

Also, is his response to #13 (exit) his assistant being filmed when he goes back to the car? I didn't compare the timelines exactly, but since Alex is filming other stuff and see the slender man, we know that it's not him filming his assistant. But if Slender Man is stalking around those ruins, who is it doing that extra filming? Might we have two separate parties: the slender man and another person somehow involved?

My personal thought is that the films that totheark is putting up are his (hers/its) own personal recordings and not the audio removed track from Alex. I think, somehow, totheark knows who/what slender man is and is somehow involved - maybe a prior victim. He has been taping Alex, very close to him at every time, and is using the audio from his own tapes that matches fairly closely to what Alex is seeing in the non-audio portions.

A stretch? Definitely, but the whole exit track throws things off and puts the possibility of an accomplice or interested yet really uninvolved outsider into the mix in my mind.

Looking at the replies again, in program, where slender man is actually seen in the house, might the house in question with the 0's in front briefly be surveillance of Alex's residence, fitting in with totheark filming Alex since he knows some correlation with slender man? Assumption, but yeah.

Does this hold any possible water or am I way off base here?

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 		Re: Disassociated Member Theory
3+ parties, tied in by slender man?
JiroKage wrote:


Does this hold any possible water or am I way off base here?


You've got some good ideas. We all want to believe that totheark is someone who has already been presented, but for some reason has to be secretive, but it could easily be someone new. I should point out though that we don't know that totheark is the one who filmed Exit, and additionally we don't know that it couldn't have been Alex. It's not looking likely, but there's two cuts in entry 13 where swathes of footage could have been removed, and I don't know if you've seen the new video 8:10 from blueshoe77, but it seems to suggest that Alex wouldn't have had to go very far to film both videos.

A bigger question would be: What reason does Alex have to film Exit? I don't know, and that's probably the major stumbling block for the theory that he did.

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JiroKage
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 		I wanted to pose some questions about motive, then I though that knowing the motive in ANY aspect here would largely take away the whole concept of what is going on, so I refrained.

I'm not so sure 8:10 has any real relation other than an internet detective that found the location it was filmed. Whether or not he is tied in with the actual canon creation is the question for me, it could just be that he stumbled across it. Otherwise, it could throw a wrench in a lot of things. Yeah, I'm definitely not convinced he is "supposed" to be a part of the actual plot.

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JiroKage wrote:

I'm not so sure 8:10 has any real relation other than an internet detective that found the location it was filmed. Whether or not he is tied in with the actual canon creation is the question for me, it could just be that he stumbled across it. Otherwise, it could throw a wrench in a lot of things. Yeah, I'm definitely not convinced he is "supposed" to be a part of the actual plot.


Yes, agreed. It does, though, give some indication as to the actual geography on-scene. I'd like to assume for now that the makers weren't so naive as to make their videos independent of the actual location. They must have foreseen that someone might find them eventually, so you'd like to think the IG story does use the real geography, if you catch what I'm trying to say.

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morscata12
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JiroKage wrote:
My personal thought is that the films that totheark is putting up are his (hers/its) own personal recordings and not the audio removed track from Alex. I think, somehow, totheark knows who/what slender man is and is somehow involved - maybe a prior victim. He has been taping Alex, very close to him at every time, and is using the audio from his own tapes that matches fairly closely to what Alex is seeing in the non-audio portions.


I think this explains a lot about the missing audio. totheark probably witnessed a lot of the same key events that J is discovering on Alex's tapes. If totheark was recording these events too, then the audio would have also been recorded...and footage would have continued (such as in Entry 12). How does totheark know "there was more"? Because he/she was there and has the video footage to prove it.

Think about the alternative to this. If the missing audio didn't come from totheark's personal recording, then that means totheark broke into Alex's house and copied specific video/audio clips from the tapes before Alex/SM removed them. That never felt right to me. There doesn't seem to be any good motive, considering that the risk involved is too high.

JiroKage wrote:
I'm not so sure that totheark is someone that is already known in the story. The reason I'm feeling this way is due to the cryptic nature of his replies to people, how they are phrased, and generally the way he is acting. I want to believe that one of these people might be as cryptic, but would avoid the "double-speak", as in words mashed together. I also think the clues would be a bit more concrete. The whole response system from him seems almost other-worldly and spooky. However, that could just be a ruse to throw people off.


Dealing with Slender Man seems to mess with the mind, so I wouldn't be surprised if totheark's experiences has twisted his/her view on reality enough that cryptic is as clear as it gets. This doesn't automatically rule out the MH cast. If totheark was as twisted up two years ago as he/she is today, then it would rule out anyone involved with MH (except Alex) as that behavior would have been apparent. Plus, Tim seemed pretty normal in Entry 15, so that might rule him out entirely. There is some possibility that it's an "inside job", but I'm leaning toward "separate party" based on this:

JiroKage wrote:
If Slender Man is stalking around those ruins, who is it doing that extra filming? Might we have two separate parties: the slender man and another person somehow involved?


If we've got someone else running around the forest with a camera, it sounds like we've got another Slender Man hunter/groupie in the mix. This would explain the personal footage theory. Assuming Slender Man can only be in one general location at at a time, anyone seeking him out would end up converging to the same location. So it wouldn't be too surprising if totheark happened across Alex's interactions with Slender Man.

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 		Also, regarding the "8:10" video; Sure, that may be the factual, geographic layout of the area where filiming took place, but, just like in the Harry Potter films, they don't actually film Hogwarts Castle, located north of London, instead they filmed at a castle and surroundings in New Zealand, in locations that, according to the film, were right next to each other, but were actually spread throughout the country.

For all we know, the distance out-of-game will not equate to the distance in-game. As previously stated, none of the areas where Marble Hornets was being shot were outside of a 1-milre radius. I haven't seen this video, but anything more than a ten-minute drive isn't in-game locale, just a set.

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