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[LOCKED] [META] Cold Axons, Take 2
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Wynn
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Crisko wrote:
Has anyone else ended up at a coord location in the middle of a residential area yet? I'm still at lost as to wtf is going on with the clearfield (layton) location at 12:35 PDT under 'say_something'


Just looking online, I see there are at least 4 payphones in Layton Hills Mall, which is very close to those coords.
*801-546-0103..Layton Hills Mall.............Food Court*
*801-546-0098..Layton Hills Mall.............Food Court*
801-546-9813...Layton Hills Mall.............Mervyns, next to restrooms*
801-546-9874...Layton Hills Mall.............Mervyns, next to restrooms*

The first two dont accept incoming calls. Maybe you could check the latter 2?

Other than that, try walking around that entire block and look on both sides of the street. The coordinates have been confirmed to be off by at least 1 block in other cases.

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I think I found a hit for the 13:38 stupid_cop axon in Bethel Park, PA. It was reported that there wasn't a payphone around, but I did a little research and found that there's a church at the exact coords using www.melissadata.com. I used www.superpages.com to give me a listing of what was located on that street, and the church came up. I punched it into MelissaDATA's address lookup and it listed the coords down to the point. (By the way, melissadata has free address lookups in case you hit your limit at geocode.com.) The only thing is, geocode.com gave me different coords when I used the address. But since MelissaDATA came up matching to the sixth decimal I'm assuming it's correct.

I can't actually get to that location until the 31st, but if it's not hot by then I'll try my best to be there. I just hope it's not the church's personal phoneline. It would be ackward asking if you could sit in front of it and wait for a website to call you.. but an axon's an axon. Here's the address if anyone needs it:

Bethel Baptist Church
2899 Cherry St
Bethel Park PA 15102

PM me if you'd like to get together for this or if you can try to fire it sooner than Wednesday.

- Ekim

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This actually generates a number very near the Bob Evans I am going to try for the 8:19 PDT call today (after rounding, out to 4 digits). Fingers crossed!

edit: spoke too quickly. Two phones (with some rounding) generate coordinates too close; perhaps even closer to the one that has trouble with incoming calls.
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I'm trying Cottondale 06:47 this Tuesday, baring any coordinate changes. If anyone has any extra info on this axon, lemmie know Smile

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I tried like hell to reach the Spencer, WV location today, and I think I found the phone, but -- assuming the phone accepts incoming calls -- I missed it by about three minutes.

I may try again this week if it doesn't go hot soon.

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[INFO] 09:05 our_hoodlums (take 3?)

Made the trek back out to the 09:05 our_hoodlums axon again this morning. This time everyone who was at yesterday's successful 12:44/say_something was there. While we waited, I reiterated the trouble that I'd had yesterday and suggested that whoever answered should clearly enunciate every syllable of "operator" (not say it "oprator" like me Razz) and repeat if necessary.

At the appointed time the call came and the guy who answered did just that, but it still failed. I'm attaching the recording again; as you can hear, it's still horrible quality, with that same high-pitched whine, and a mostly-silent gap where our guy was talking (although you can barely hear him this time).

We tested calling out to our cell phones from the payphone, and the signal was clear and strong. However, when we tried to call the payphone from our cells, answering it gave a recording saying "Error 48" (or possibly "38" or "58") and then it would disconnect immediately. We tried calling the customer service number posted on the phone to find out what that error message meant, but they were singularly unhelpful.

At this time, our thought is that the phone is busted for incoming calls. It seems that the PMs are somehow able to override that error-and-disconnect "feature" and get THEIR call through, but it may be that even though we can hear them, they can't hear us.

The phone number was (503) 7xxx201, and it is serviced by Opticom, which I've never heard of.
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"I hate you, stupid phone."

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SPEC on 16:47 Palo Alto Axon (AKA Menlo Park {though not})

First off, SpghEddy says:

Quote:

How to get the right address for your axon:
1) Find the addresses of all payphones in your axon's area using http://payphone-directory.org.
2) For each address, lookup the coordinates using Geocode.com Test Drive Page.
3) If the right phone is listed, you should get an exact match with the ILB axon coordinates.
SNIP
16:47 PDT 2999 El Camino Real, Palo Alto, CA - outside Pizza Hut (different part of town than GPS coordinates indicate)


Which means that the pizza hut phone is not the correct phone, IF this is the method Melissa used to find the end points for her axons.

I believe SpghEddy is correct.

The reason is this:

The actual coordinate ends up in the identical location as the City name when plotted in Mapquest.

When these programs (ie Mapquest) are given incorrect addresses, they spit out the center of whatever town is being searched. So, if Melissa had received an incorrect address, or her transcribing subroutine had an error, and her output did not correspond to a real address, the result would be a coordinate in the location given for 16:47.

Try it. In the mapquest search panel, put random garbage in the address, then Palo Alto, and CA, and.....ta daaaa. identical coordinate.

So. what does this mean?

well......
1. if there is a payphone in a list with a bad address, or no address, it might be the one. Unfortunately, the only ones I found either had good addresses or were marked as not accepting incoming calls.

2. This may just be an impossible site. I think Palo Alto is a little large to stake out every possible phone in town...

Hope this helps...
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Falkreon
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blip Manchester,NH location

I had a chance to scout the Manchester phones. There is a pizza place that matches the coordinates exactly, with a payphone in the entryway and another on the side of the building. They're within earshot of each other. Before reading these threads I was very certain the phone was the outside one, but now I'm not so sure.

In any case, at the appointed 6:15 PDT, neither phone rang.

I was there with about four younger beekeepers who were going to go back the next day to try again. Apparently, they failed. I will try to make some time to head back up there and do some more thorough testing with a cellphone, and ask after any strange phone calls. It's tough, though, because it's an hour each way for me.

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Now, re /me looking for missing axons. I'm done. I tried the two I planned for today, third time for each location. Enough. There are still many possibilities in the Dale City area (at least 57 in the mall alone for that one axon), for anyone foolish enough to take on this task. Melissa is going to have to find axons someplace else.
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aliendial wrote:
Melissa is going to have to find axons someplace else.


I'm telling you... We all need to copile lists of phonebooths near where we live and work that are not busted, take incoming phonecalls, and ring. And put them together in one big document...

Then we need to figure out a way to send it to Melissa so that she thinks it's her new road schedule.

Then we wouldn't have to drive all over creation to help her destroy our world. Razz
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Re: SPEC on 16:47 Palo Alto Axon (AKA Menlo Park {though not

SpghEddy wrote:

How to get the right address for your axon:
1) Find the addresses of all payphones in your axon's area using http://payphone-directory.org .
2) For each address, lookup the coordinates using Geocode.com Test Drive Page.
3) If the right phone is listed, you should get an exact match with the ILB axon coordinates.
[...]
16:47 PDT 2999 El Camino Real, Palo Alto, CA - outside Pizza Hut (different part of town than GPS coordinates indicate)


ariock wrote:

The actual coordinate ends up in the identical location as the City name when plotted in Mapquest.
When these programs (ie Mapquest) are given incorrect addresses, they spit out the center of whatever town is being searched.
[...]
Try it. In the mapquest search panel, put random garbage in the address, then Palo Alto, and CA, and.....ta daaaa. identical coordinate.


oooh... good observation. I thought the matching coordinates meant that 2999 El Camino Real was the right address, when it was really failing on any address, and returning the center of Palo Alto instead. I would fix my previous post, but it's been locked and stickiefied, so I can't edit it (help moderators?).

So, I guess all we know is that some axon coordinates are completely wrong, and we have no way of guessing what the real address is, aside from trying every payphone listed in payphone-directory.org. I hope the PMs eventually realize this.

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I do not believe we can totally depend on payphone-directory.org

I went and payed a visit to the Layton Hills Mall. There were 6 more phones than the four on the website. Only two recieved incoming calls.

I asked someone at the customer sevice desk in mervins if they could answer the phone if it rang while I went and waited by another phone. Next thing I know I'm in the mall security office being interrogated by two police officers as to what the crap I was doing waiting for an incoming call from a payphone in the middle of a mall.

But this is what's weird. As I came back to the payphoen by the desk in mervin's the lady I talked to was walking away from the payphone, looked at me and hurried into the back room. I told her I'd explain -why- I wanted her to answer the phone. I walked up to another lady behind the counter and asked her if it rang, she only shook her head.

Then I realized that they called security on me. I waited on a bench till they approached me. I'm thinking that that might be the phone, but I'm not sure. They said that if they caught anyone on mall property trying to find an incoming call from a payphone for the same reasons I was that they'd have them escorted off premises.

I think the phone is in the mall, but I can't go back or I might get arrested. Fortunately for me, the officer took everything I said seriously and understood half of it. We went out to his car and I showed him the ilovebees.com on his computer, which helped out a ton in my case.

So be warned, don't look 'suspicious' around payphone locations that may be in a mall, especially Layton Hills. But the phone still needs to be answered. I wish you all luck.

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I checked that pay phone site, and it's by no means comprehensive. It's better than nothing, but not much.

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Wynn wrote:
tuna 11:41 seattle 47.623333, -122.320833

I did not have time to attempt this location today, but when I went back for the 17:55 axon, I scoped this out. I have identified 4 likely phones that should be covered. Attached is a map indicating the phone locations. There are also phones 2 blocks south and more farther north, but let's hope we dont have to travel that far.


I met Wynn and two others to try to get this one, and between the four of us we managed to cover all the pay phones on the block. The only problem was, none of them rang. There are some payphones south of the block the coordinate is on, but none of us who were there can get there at 11:41 on a weekday/workday. The other problem is that the coordinate is on a busy street full of shops and restaurants, so every block has multiple payphones on it--not sure if we'd be able to cover all of them, since some of the coordinates appear to be off by several blocks.

Anyway, this one will probably be cold for a while. But props to Wynn for getting two of the other Seattle axons.
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