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[Side-Story] Just Another Fool
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El_Smacko
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Brados wrote:
you dont just randomly have graphite on your fingers.
unless one of the pictures in the notebook was actually drawn by him in graphite.


Might suggest that the package was intercepted or interfered with by a third party, possibly Logan.
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SvenVikson
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Brados wrote:
SvenVikson wrote:
TheNightmareComplex wrote:
Perhaps after writing everything on the package [send and from addresses], some "passerby" tried to steal it from him.


Perhaps, Logan, disguised or hooded?


Ahhhh, yes, that would make sense. Logan probably would not have wanted him to spread the notebook's influence to anyone else and attempted to steal it.


but that would assume that Josh had graphite on his fingers, and i can't understand why, you dont just randomly have graphite on your fingers.
unless one of the pictures in the notebook was actually drawn by him in graphite.


I think the obvious thing would be that Joshua did indeed tamper with the notebook.

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Reila
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Brados wrote:
but that would assume that Josh had graphite on his fingers, and i can't understand why, you dont just randomly have graphite on your fingers.
unless one of the pictures in the notebook was actually drawn by him in graphite.

Well, graphite does smudge when it's drawn hard, as some of these drawings are (unless the drawing has been fixated, but I hardly think that any of these guys would bother with that).
He could, for some reason, have been touching them.

Don't see a reason why, though. Hm.

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ASD
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The Yggdrasil bit is extremely interesting. The SM lore indicates that he is able to move around in forests and can camouflage himself to a degree because of his branch-like limbs. Anyone think something similar to SM might be mentioned in Norse mythology as well?

Hm... in Dav's video, he mentioned something about 'is he in our world or are we in his'... after reading about Yggdrasil, I learned that according to Norse mythology, that tree unites 9 worlds... one of them is called Niflheim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niflheim

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Niflheimr or Niflheim ("Mist Home", the "Abode of Mist" or "Mist World"); Nifl[1] being cognate with the Old English Nifol ("dark")[2] and Nebel, a German and Latin root meaning fog) is a location in Norse mythology which overlaps with the notions of Niflhel and Hel. The name Niflheimr only appears in two extant sources and they are Gylfaginning and the much debated Hrafnagaldr Óðins.

According to Gylfaginning, it was one of the two primordial realms, the other one being Muspelheim, the realm of fire. Between these two realms of cold and heat, creation began. Later, it became the location of Hel, the abode of those who did not die a heroic death.


Now I'll be upfront, I know next to nothing about Norse mythology. It's not exactly my forte Wink , but this does seem interesting. Could this be the world that was being talked about? According to SM mythos, SM shows up often in the dark or the fog... the MH videos may prove that wrong, but I thought it was an interesting, albeit probably tenuous, connection.

Any of that make sense? I'm not entirely sure I know what I'm talking about...

Edit: a few more thoughts...

I would imagine if we began moving into theories of parallel realities or alternate dimensions or supernatural underworlds, it could explain the effects that SM has on the people it comes into contact with... there's a sense of wrongness, innate on cellular or atomic level, you just know that something is incredibly wrong, even you don't see it. Perhaps that's why his presence causes sickness and mental instability? Just the fact that is not from 'our' world, but a different reality is causing these things... man, that's kind of a mindfuck when you really start to get into it...

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gintonico
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Okay, so you're talking about a magic tree in a $200 suit with a bunch of extra sleeves? I don't know man. Cthulhu goes shirtless for a reason ya know Smile

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ASD
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gintonico wrote:
Okay, so you're talking about a magic tree in a $200 suit with a bunch of extra sleeves? I don't know man. Cthulhu goes shirtless for a reason ya know Smile


I never said he was a magic tree with multiple sleeves and a $200 suit... I'm simply trying to read a bit further into the Ygdrassil reference...

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TheNightmareComplex
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I'd rather entertain the idea that the suit is part of Slender's body, not just a suit. Does fit with the shape-shifting aspect. Also, maybe the graphite was on Logan's fingers when he tried to pull it from Josh; Maybe Logan had his graphite-y fingers on it when Josh jerked it away. IF that happened.

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morscata12
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Crazy theory time!

Much of the journal seems to deal with where Slender Man comes from. Is he an intruder into our world, or do his victims enter his world instead? This is where Yggdrasil - the world tree - comes into play. Yggdrasil is essentially the framework, the connective tissue, of our world/universe. The roots extend into three separate dimensions apart from our own.

Between JAF and MH, two people have gone "insane" and are now missing/dead (Matt and Alex), and one has dabbled in insanity (Logan). This seems extremely significant to the story. In many stories, insanity means someone is seeing our world in a different way...such that they seem to be existing in a separate plane from the rest of us. Maybe they see things that shouldn't be, maybe they know things that aren't true to the rest of us. What if Matt, Alex, and Logan saw a separate side of things - some sort of Shadow Realm?

Though Slender Man seems to be killing his prey, it is odd that he would go through all the trouble to essentially woo them to his side. What if he is facilitating a full transfer to the Shadow Realm for those who seek him out? It may end in death in our realm, but the physical body shouldn't be able to exist in multiple planes of existence at the same time.

Alex filmed himself for unknown reasons - was he gathering evidence that this Shadow Realm was real? Perhaps Matt and Logan drew to gather evidence in their own way, documenting their understanding of the new life Slender Man was offering.

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morscata12
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Other thoughts:
- SM isn't Yggdrasil, but he may be using it, living in it, or a part of it.
- The Old Tree (Yggdrasil) grows as the giant slips free. Reminds me of the movie/novel It (with Yggdrasil taking the place of the Dark Tower, and SM taking the place of It).
- The dates in June are far out of the scope of the jafool blog (which started in July). These were written after the fact.
- June 25 is the post date for MH Entry 4, and June 23 is the post date for MH Entry 3. June 22 does not correlate to any MH entry, so the dates probably do not correlate to MH. June 22-24 seems to be the date range
- The drawing in the egg is interesting. Looks like a red light hung off the roof of the egg.
- The wing was drawn by Matt (check the post "It's Like Christmas...")
- In the "Your Move" image, Logan erased some of Matt's scribbles to create holes for his letters (like totheark). From what I could tell, this is the only time Logan took an eraser to Matt's sketches - his other work was purely additive.
- The "HIM" face was given a smudgy mouth, sketched eyes, and red eyebrows. If it's SM's face, then maybe his face exists independently from his body (and cannot be captured on film). Besides, to use his "voice", he should have a mouth.

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chaos
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*snaps fingers*
I HAVE IT

slender man must actually be cabadath, and yggdrasil is his tree Laughing

Razz

seriously though
if i remember correctly, norse mythology has quite a few "planes"


wikipedia wrote:

* Asgard, world of the Æsir.
* Vanaheimr, world of the Vanir.
* Midgard, world of humans.
* Muspellheim, world of the primordial element of fire.
* Niflheim, world of the primordial element of ice
* Svartálfaheim, world of the Svartálfar (black elves).
* Álfheimr, world of the Álfar (elves).
* Hel, underground world of the dead.
* Jötunheimr, world of the jötnar.

aesir/vanir are gods, jotnar "giants"[look on the wiki article if ye wanna know why i put that in quotes Razz

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msheadwound
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I decided to look at the roman numerals on the corners of pages to see if they were referencing any of the actual MH entries. It doesn't look like this will amount to anything, but I thought I'd share anyway.

* The highest roman numeral used in the notebook is VIII, and totheark started posting responses to MH on Entry #9 (Regards). NINE is also written out in the notebook. This would be interesting in light of the second-to-last used page in the notebook seeming to emulate TOT's THEREWASM0RE message.


*III/Entry #3: III is found on the page with the message "NO NO"/"YES YES" written in two different color inks. it is also found on the page with the clock face (I can't tell what time the clock is meant to read. Could read 1:55 or 11:10 or something else.) and the neat handwriting which says "he knew." Entry #3 was posted on June 23rd, which is referenced once (possibly twice) in Matt's notebook. ("june 23 - HUNTER IDENTIFIED", and later "23 sighting").

Entry #3 has a sequence (Night) in which the face of Alex's watch is turned toward the camera while he is using his computer, although I can't make out the time on it. It is night time. A later sequence (day) shows Alex in the same room at another time looking out the window. He is not wearing a watch this time, but his cellphone rings/alarm goes off at around 1:56 in the clip.


*VIII/Entry #8: VIII also appears on two pages: one has a figure of SM surrounded by darkness. The neat handwriting reads "does he intrude in our world". The other page is the one reading "june 23 - hunter identified" and SLENDERMAN. Entry #8 shows Alex drawing on paper in a manner similar to what we see in the notebook. None of the images from MH really match up with the notebook. (July 12)

* I/Entry #1: The picture of two people at a tree with YGGDRASIL written on the tree in green ink. The entry is the first time J sees SM on video, but it is not the first time Alex saw him. (June 20)

* V/Entry #5: A picture of SM's face drawn by Matt; Logan added in red eyes. Entry #5 is the only entry referenced by roman numeral with someone other than Alex or SM in it. (June 29)

* VI/Entry #6: Page contains theres, wheres, "why must I dream your life?" and "I knew his voice." J thinks Entry #6 is a continuation of #1. There is no audio. (July 4)


Other Possibilities That have nothing to do with MH
As other people have suggested, the roman numerals may be a reading order for the pages in question (although I'm not sure what to do about the duplicate numbers).

They may also be some sort of code, although 8 6 3 5 8 1 3 doesn't amount to much to me (HFCEHAC). It's possible there's something involving the roman numeral added to or subtracted from the physical page number that would produce a sequence that made sense when converted to letters.

Three other items seem to appear specifically placed in the lower right hand corner of pages: the word CONTACT, an arrow, and the word NOW.

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Nonmetals Nerd
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msheadwound wrote:


They may also be some sort of code, although 8 6 3 5 8 1 3 doesn't amount to much to me (HFCEHAC). It's possible there's something involving the roman numeral added to or subtracted from the physical page number that would produce a sequence that made sense when converted to letters.

Three other items seem to appear specifically placed in the lower right hand corner of pages: the word CONTACT, an arrow, and the word NOW.


CONTACT NOW (ARROW) 863-5813

Looks like we're supposed to call a number. Now we need the area code.

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^^^^^^^^^^

FUCKING GENIUS


Btw, the dates appear to be tracking Matt's adventures, not Logan's.

In late-ish June, he becomes obsessed with SM.

By the end of June, he actually CONTACTS SM without dying (This is news)

On July 3rd, the second encounter. SM kills Matt's squad...

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msheadwound
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Nonmetals Nerd wrote:
CONTACT NOW (ARROW) 863-5813

Looks like we're supposed to call a number. Now we need the area code.


I was sort of thinking that, but wasn't sure this game would be, you know, big enough for that.

There's a full spread picture of a house with a sun or a red moon in the notebook, and out front of the house there is an address of 215, which is a valid US area code.

EDIT: Adding clarification of non-numbers in bottom right hand corner.

CONTACT appears in Dav's first video on the page shown at around 6:00. It also shows SM's tie.

The ARROW is on the page directly following, which has a box with vine/tentacles, and the following inscription: "the old tree grows as the giant slips free." The reverse of that page says: "When he comes/Try as I might/Even my soul/Cannot take flight."

Then come all the pages with the ROMAN NUMERALS.

The very last page with a roman numeral is the III with the clock face on it.

NOW appears on the page directly following that page. It can be seen in Dav's second video on the page featured starting 4:45. Other items on the page are: "I SEE YOU" in red in the middle of the page, and "23 sighting"/"24 sighting" written below that in black ink. NOW is in red ink along the bottom of the page. There is also a very small SM drawn peeking out between the pages.

The page directly after it says "COMING? In time. He shall come for us all."

Focus on time on the pages around NOW might mean if we are meant to call the time we call is important.

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Nonmetals Nerd
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Reverse Lookup.

Unpublished
(215) 863-5813

This number is a landline based in Philadelphia, PA and is unpublished.

So... Who wants to give it a try?

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