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Myssfitz
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 		Dale going crazy or just me?
But I don't understand how she can say Dale made that up. That site has been registered since Nov 3, 2002 to our Desire Hunter. So Dale could not have registered the domain under his name. Remember that Desire is claiming that it's always been a site for the cemetery and some hackers must have gotten into his web account. So I guess Dr. Kendra will say he hacked into it now. Ohhhh!!!

DESIRE HUNTER AND DALE SPRAGUE ARE ONE AND THE SAME!!! We haven't heard from Dale in a few days, but now Desire pops up and says that is his nom de plume. So I guess he really is going into a dissociative state. Dale registered the site in Nov while he was "sane", used his nom de plume (Desire Hunter) to start writing his book and when he had the accident, he split into both. Dale doesn't really have any good explanation for when he's not contacting us except that he's been busy. He doesn't remember and he's embarassed to say he has memory lapses. I wasn't crazy with the Ghoti font, but I may be now. Shocked

Ursulla


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My last e-mail to you was overly harsh and accusatory, and I apologize. I had
to wait several days to calm down before I started answering e-mails again.

Upon further reflection, I believe that Dale may have gone into a dissociative
state as a result of the PTSD he is suffering from after the accident. In this
state, [b]I believe he created a whole website, complete with the video clips with
the time stamp on them, using a domain name he had registered some time
before. Once back in his normal state of mind, he had no memory of what he had
done before. This dissociative type of coping behavior is documented in the
trauma literature, and would explain why Dale seemed so surprised when we found
a cemetery where he thought an amusement park should be.

Unfortunately, he probably also created all the other web-based "evidence" that
you and others have been sending me, so it doesn't carry much weight as far as
trying to convince me that Dale's story is actually true.

I'm not familiar with an artist named Sarah Wyatt, and art therapy isn't my
specialty. I'll ask one of the art therapy people to look at your link if I
get a chance.

-Michelle


Michelle Kendra, MD
Inpatient & Outpatient Psychiatry
Princeton, NJ Headquarters
Klepsydra Mental Health Facility Network [/b]


I was hoping that Wyatt was a patient that she was familiar with, but it doesn't sound like it. Shoud we re-pursue the idea that she's a patient at Klepysydra? I don't think so.

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 		SPEC: on Dale's behavior
Hello Dr. Kendra,

I have been reading the many ideas posted by my friends about Dale's possible condition. I see that you think he has gone into a dissociative state from PTSD following the accident. However, the Ash Grove Park site was registered in November of 2002 by a Desire Hunter (who is a male). So Dale could not have made up the site since February 14th. It was registered long before the accident. Desire Hunter was out of the country for a little while and has no knowledge of the site being about a "carnival" like park. He is thinking along the lines of hackers. But I know Dale could most certainly could do that. Finally, here is my question(s) to you:

1)Did you know Dale before the accident? He may have been "disassociating" for quite some time, since he owes a lot of money and he believes in Ash Grove Park, the "live" park.
2)Could Desire and Dale be the same person?

I ask these because Dale seems to "disappear" for days at a time. When he is gone, Desire shows up and starts answering his email. Then Desire "disappears" and Dale shows up and answers his.

Desire says he has chosen that name as his nom de plume while writing his book about little known (or unknown) facts about Aglaura. He was out of the country for a month or so. Dale was "out of the country" for about a month or so. It all seems a little to weird. Desire also claims to not know Dale or his family at all. Aglaura seems to be a small town. That is another odd thing. Desire lists his address as Upper Mill Rd in Burlington county. Is there even an Upper Mill Rd? I will do research on that next. As for the zip code, it matches the area, but the area code, 201, does not. That is for the Hackensack area of New Jersey. Very far away from Burlington. Does Dale have blocks of time that are unaccounted for? I know that you are respectful of your patients and will keep his information confidential. I also know that you are a wonderful doctor and I am in no way questioning your treatment of Dale. Since I am an outsider, I feel I may see things from a different perspective and am just throwing out ideas.

I hope I have not offended you or your patient in anyway. I'm just trying to help.

I also had sent a request to the admissions department at Klepsydra for information about their services offered. I received a notification saying that the admissions department is not accepting any mail. Could you help me in that area also?

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,

Ursulla
There really is a Upper Mill Road.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?savedMap=1049427985
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konamouse
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 		From elderofzion@collectivedetective
Subject: Contact: New mail from the Doctor

This one was long delayed -- She's not totally gone from our corner --
but we're gonna need something concrete.

Dear Damon,

I had to step away from e-mail, and from responding to Dale's friends or a few days. I've never come across a patient situation like this, and I admit I'm at a bit of a loss.

I have had people coming out of the woodwork sending e-mails assuring me not only of Dale's sanity and integrity, but trying to give me treatment suggestions as well.

Web-based evidence, unfortunately, doesn't do much good as far as trying to convince me that Dale's story is true. I'm sure that you did see an amusement park site, but bear in mind that Dale creates websites professionally. It would be very easy for him to create a site, and possibly, if his delusion and/or PTSD were bad enough, to dissociate and not even remember that he had done it. Trauma is a tricky thing in more ways than one, and the mind is remarkably good at coping with things it would rather not remember. I understand that it is not uncommon for web designers to have a number of sites registered and waiting for some time before they actually put the siteup, and I believe that is what happened in this case.

I will admit to you in confidence that I still desperately want to believe Dale's story, and I'm not sure why. But I have to believe the evidence I have to the contrary. Occam's razor just won't let me believe in disappearing amusement parks.

-Michelle Kendra
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 		Just one thing regarding the area code. since we don't really know what time frame each character works in. NJ used to be a one zip code state.

If Myssfitz is right, it sounds more and more like shroedengers cat after all.

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 		another approach
Thanks, Missfitz for the spec! I'd missed that whole line of thinking. It gave me a great inroad to Kendra, I think.
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Glad to still have you on board.

Dale seems to have been kidnapped, according to a press conference that the mayor was holding today.
Although it might be incorrect to assume that the person taken from his residence is really Dale, it's the best first thought. Here's the text of the conference:

[21:48] <aglaurachief> We had a report from a local resident, a pretty frantic call
[21:48] <aglaurachief> About someone trying to get into their home
[21:48] <aglaurachief> They claimed whoever it was identified themselves as the Police
[21:48] <pdobbs> Oh my. Well we've taken names, and I sincerely doubt it's any of these fine folk here.
[21:48] <aglaurachief> But when they looked outside they knew it wasnt so they called us
[21:49] <aglaurachief> When I and another officer responded we found the house deserted with no sign of the owner or possible intruders
[21:49] <aglaurachief> Or any sign of forced entry
[21:50] <aglaurachief> But there's something you really need to know
[21:50] <pdobbs> Really, please, continue... you know my motto about openness.
[21:50] <aglaurachief> The house was on Winton Pond Road
[21:50] <aglaurachief> It was Dale Sprague's house
[21:50] <pdobbs> Oh dear.

If you make contact with him in the near future, I'm certain that everyone who feels connected to him would appreciate the news.

Moreover, there is some speculation that Dale might truly be manifesting separate personalities, as you suggested. By chance, the webmaster at the Cemetery that you were taken to has been absent when Dale is present and vice versa. It's far too soon to make the leap that he's absolutely both these people, but it's something that we're evaluating.

Another possibility (if you note that there was no force used) is that he staged this abduction himself. Dale tells in his original story that he was in money trouble. If he were "abducted" then his creditors wouldn't be able to find him and "collect."

From your conversations with him, can you make heads or tails of this? Although you know I'm loathe to violate confidentiality in usual circumstances, these are hardly usual. Dale's physical or mental safety are clearly on the line here and I'll be glad to stand next to you if, by chance, we're ever called to defend ourselves against these circumstances.

Dan

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 		Beat me to it d. Good work. I hope Bruce will be notified as well.
Do you think Dr. Kendra will go in search of the AGP webmaster?

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I hope Bruce will be notified as well.


Bruce has been notified. Heather sent him an email last night.
See the Bruce/Heather thread:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=708&start=15
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 		reply from kendra
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Dear Dan,

Dale signed a release form a while ago, so I can discuss his case and treatment
with you--I wouldn't have said as much as I already have otherwise.

Unfortunately, I haven't heard from him, and like you, I'm concerned. We have
discussed his financial troubles along with everything else, but those
discussions were certainly secondary to the loss of his family. Also, there
should be some sort of insurance settlement, which should take care of his
finances for the time being. I did not get any indication that he was
considering disappearing, or abandoning his home.

I had not considered that Dale's dissociation went so far as multiple
personality disorder, because I hadn't seen any signs of that. But he could be
in another fugue state now, and could have wandered off. At this point, it
seems like it's best to hope that the police will be able to track him down,
since I will assume that a missing persons report has been put out.

I know a number of people are worried, and I will let you know as soon as I
hear anything about Dale's whereabouts.

-Michelle


Suggesting that the abduction wasn't the Bros, and that it wasn't staged.

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fugue (fNg) [L. fuga, flight] A dissociative disorder in which the person acts normally but has almost complete amnesia for what happened when recovery occurs.

psychogenic fugue: Sudden, unexpected travel away from one's home or place of work with inability to recall one's past.
The individual may assume a partial or complete new identity. The condition is not due to organic brain disease. It may follow severe mental stress such as marital quarrels or a natural disaster. It is usually of short duration but can last for months. Recovery is the usual outcome without recurrences.

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 		Could we now be at the point in the trailer where Dale packs up his paper work and leaves?

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konamouse wrote:
From elderofzion@collectivedetective
Subject: Contact: New mail from the Doctor

I will admit to you in confidence that I still desperately want to believe Dale's story, and I'm not sure why. But I have to believe the evidence I have to the contrary. Occam's razor just won't let me believe in disappearing amusement parks.

-Michelle Kendra[/b]


It seems that we are missing something here. She keeps hinting that there is more 'evidence' of the non-electronic nature out there. I am wondering if Dale sent something out to a registered user and they missed it. In the begining they said that if that happened it would not hold up the game, yet we keep getting 'hints' that there is more out there.

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MrDoug wrote:


It seems that we are missing something here. She keeps hinting that there is more 'evidence' of the non-electronic nature out there. I am wondering if Dale sent something out to a registered user and they missed it. In the begining they said that if that happened it would not hold up the game, yet we keep getting 'hints' that there is more out there.


I'm liking this. Before I respond, let's put our thoughts together on this. Is there something that can break this communication/investigation open? I feel like I'm fishing, waiting for the time that she's useful - but are we missing the key to the lock on her knowledge?
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konamouse wrote:
From elderofzion@collectivedetective
Subject: Contact: New mail from the Doctor

I will admit to you in confidence that I still desperately want to believe Dale's story, and I'm not sure why. But I have to believe the evidence I have to the contrary. Occam's razor just won't let me believe in disappearing amusement parks.

-Michelle Kendra[/b]


It seems that we are missing something here. She keeps hinting that there is more 'evidence' of the non-electronic nature out there. I am wondering if Dale sent something out to a registered user and they missed it. In the begining they said that if that happened it would not hold up the game, yet we keep getting 'hints' that there is more out there.

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 		Re: he's safe, she's in the game with us
dmax wrote:

Does that horde email site mean anything?


Unknown, but I just saw a picture of the self-destructing e-mail... It too used that horde place as the place of origin.

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 		New mail from Dr. K
Not much of great significance, other than my line of communication with her seems to be decent. I think she will email me if she does hear from Dale.

Elder

Dear Damon,

Accident scene investigation is not my area of expertise, so I will rely on
your analysis. I don't have any explanation as to why Dale was found where he was, short of the possibility that witnesses managed to pull him from the car but left the scene before the emergency crew arrived.

Several people have written to me telling me that Dale has disappeared. I'm worried. I wish I knew whether it was due to another dissociative episode, Dale taking off on his own volition for some reason, or whether he thought someone was after him. He had mentioned this last possibility while he was an inpatient, but I dismissed it at the time as being part of his psychosis.

I will let you know as soon as I hear anything.

-Michelle

and the email to Dr. K:

Michelle:
>
> It was very good to hear from you again. I was really becoming afraid that you had decided to tar me with the same brush as Dale after the way events turned last week. Look, I'm just a working stiff with a good eye for noticing when something is wrong or out of place. I don't believe in interdimensional amusement parks, or six-fingered Wish grantors, either.

> There are some disturbing real world developments that have taken place since we last spoke that I need to update you on. First, the Mayor published a rather heavily edited version of the state police report on Monday or Tuesday of this week. Now accident reports are something that a P.I. does understand (even though my accident work is more often related to following some guy on workmen's comp to see if he's really faking it). The good news is that the State Police concluded that the other car, which apparently ran a red light, was clearly the cause of the crash. So there's some real, empirical evidence that this wasn't some involved premeditated plot to kill his wife and child. The bad news is that the physics of the crash don't square with the physical evidence that the police found at the scene. Dale's vehicle was making a right turn at a 3-way intersection when the crash occurred. His car was struck in the left front (that is, the driver's side) and shoved forward and to the right -- and one must assume shoved hard in that direction, given that both cars exploded into flames. If Dale were driving the car, he should have been the most likely to be killed by the collision, and if thrown from his seat should have been propelled forward and to the right (toward the windshield, not the open road). For Dale to have wound up where he did on the opposite side of the road, he would almost have had to fly through the air and either thru or over the other hurtling vehicle as well. In the end, as an investigator I have to conclude that the 'facts' of the accident are essentially as implausible as Dale's version of events. And this doesn't begin to mention the eyewitnesses on the scene who subsequently could not be found, the fact that the other driver remains unidentified nearly two months after the crash, etc.
>
Second, the Mayor held an online news conference concerning the recent outbreak of incidents in which a particular pattern of graffiti was put up all across Aglaura -- ten separate incidents over a three week period from March 2nd to March 23rd. I believe you know that Dale was supposed to have been the last one victimized by this graffiti (though someone, I thought, told me that you yourself did not see the graffiti the day you took Dale to AGP). Those details are secondary, however, to what I have to tell you. At about 9:30 PM, the conference was interrupted abruptly by the appearance of Aglaura's sheriff. The sheriff announced that Dale had called the police to say that someone was trying to break into his home. Officers who responded found no evidence of an attempted break-in -- but they also found no sign of Dale. Was this another psychotic break for Dale, and did he imagine the attack? God only knows -- there certainly isn't enough physical evidence available for me to make an assessment. But if he's gone on the run, there's no telling where he's gone, or what he's thinking.
>
> I hate to be the bearer of such tidings. Indeed, someday, I hope that I might have the opportunity to just email you a breezy note about what's happening up here in Massachusetts near your old stomping grounds. But that is not to be just yet. Michelle, I wonder if I could impose on you to let me know if you hear from Dale over the next couple of days. You can email me, or even phone me (xxx-xxx-xxxx, or car phone xxx-xxx-xxxx if it's during daylight business hours and I'm not here) if that works better for you.
>
> Thanks in advance -- please take care of yourself, and try to hold on to
> that desire to believe.
>
> Sincerely,
> Damon
>
> Damon Walker, P.I.
> Damon Walker Investigations
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 		Re: he's safe, she's in the game with us
Anonymous wrote:
dmax wrote:

Does that horde email site mean anything?


Unknown, but I just saw a picture of the self-destructing e-mail... It too used that horde place as the place of origin.


Sorry, that came from me. Hit the wrong button. Urgh.. Embarassed

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