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Sirdangolot5
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 		OR he ran into Slender Man and just didn't know what he was looking at, so it didn't register.

/pointless speculation

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Murder101
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 		During the course of this has anyone in the videos called SM Slender Man? I get the feeling none of them know exactly what the hell they're seeing.

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TheNightmareComplex
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Omega_Absolute wrote:
Both of those "important" points are invalid.

1.) One of the great mysteries of this "ARG" is finding out why Alex/Brian/maybe j are being targeted by SM. We have not been told otherwise.

2.) The tapes do not cause the sickness. The influence of ToT caused the sickness. Remember J didnt get sick all the way up till entry#9.


I call bullshit.

J begins getting ill because of his obsession over the tapes.
Before Entry 3, he muses over the fact that he hasn't eaten an entire day.
After Entry 3, he notes that he's feeling disorganized, and in fact forces himself to stop watching the tapes.

While it's true his biggest illnesses don't occur until after TTA's first response [the 104 fever], he suffers from extreme exhaustion and insomnia before hand.

Saying TTA's influence causes illness is ridiculous, because he has yet to black out a second time. In Entry 16, sure, he collapses and coughs, but he doesn't black out, and he's physically fit enough to get out of dodge when he gets frightened, come home, and twitter about it.

I'm thinking it's not Slender Man or TTA that's making J sick, but his obsession over the tapes. Imagine two gigantic trashbags full of tapes, and he's going through all of them, looking for 3 or 4 minutes clips. Not even taking the time to force himself to eat or sleep any more, just doing it nonstop. Of course he'd be ill.



EDIT:

The more I read the backstory, and watch the Introduction... God, the more I get the feeling that Alex felt guilty about something, not just afraid. Like Alex had more to do with this than just being a victim. A voice in my head keeps telling me that everything is Alex's fault.

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incedio
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Murder101 wrote:
During the course of this has anyone in the videos called SM Slender Man? I get the feeling none of them know exactly what the hell they're seeing.


No, not yet, but he matches the description....not to mention that this was basically posted ont he SA forums first.....where it was created.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:32 am
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tetsuyabh
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 		Minor Correction
Pointless, I know....I'm a little too tipsey to care.
TheNightmareComplex wrote:
However, in Entry 3, again, Alex is clearly in some kind of study or something, when he ignores that Cell Phone call. Just going off of the overall scheme of the room, it looks, at first glance, to be an entirely different building than the ones shown in later Entries.


He's not ignoring a call--that was an alarm he set to remind himself to switch tapes.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:13 am
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El Mono
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 		Passing off Slender Man
Just watched the intro again. It stressed that J had to really twist Alex's arm to get the tapes so it seems he was sincerely planning to burn them. I suppose that maybe SM was passed on to Bryan, but I definatly don't think he was aiming to pass it on to J.

I sorta think however that Alex didn't pass SM to Bryan but maybe they both started to get stalked during filming. The reason why Bryan was stalked and not Tim , but it might have to do with how involved Bryan was compared to other cast members. Alex seemed to think that if he stopped shooting and maybe got himself further away, he may be able to forget about it all. Maybe this didn't really work.

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Kilo
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 		ARGH! I hate it when I start typing crap out, and then I realize that what I'm saying isn't really workable.

OK, I have two things I want to remark on.

Has anyone interpreted the girl in Entry 12 whispering "What's he doing?" as an out loud thought, like she's suddenly scared for him?

Also- has anyone made the connection yet that TTA may have lured Alex to that place in Entry 13 in the same way TTA may have lured J to the house in Entry 16? I don't really like it, because it seems to imply that there's more than just a connection between TTA and SM, and that TTA may actual have some control over SM, but I think that it warrants pointing out.

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digidigidigidigi
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 		I think it is absolutely hilarious that some people are trying to rationalise The Slender Man. It started out a twisted, creepy, child- (and sometimes adult/groups of adults) kidnapper/mutilator/general-f***ing-freak-out-erator of paranormal phenomena.
Morphing, tentacles, hanging about in deeply wooded, marshy, foggy, MISERABLE places; only half 'known' information from 'urban legends' and german woodcuts, mysterious photography, evidence left behind at massacres of camp sites.
This. Is. Meant. To. Creep. Your. Balls. Off.
It's not some elaborate hoax or prank pulled off by human members of cast/crew. For reasons we do not yet know this... Creature... was pursuing Alex. The fear we have of The Slender Man is, always has been, and always will be - since his conception - the very fact that we are not in full possession of the truths.
The unknown creeps us out!
Pranks performed by humans do not.
I think the creator/s of this Story (where are the game elements? Enjoy the ride, guys!) know this.

Enjoy your fear!

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BaronVonCakeman
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Kilo wrote:
ARGH! I hate it when I start typing crap out, and then I realize that what I'm saying isn't really workable.

OK, I have two things I want to remark on.

Has anyone interpreted the girl in Entry 12 whispering "What's he doing?" as an out loud thought, like she's suddenly scared for him?

Also- has anyone made the connection yet that TTA may have lured Alex to that place in Entry 13 in the same way TTA may have lured J to the house in Entry 16? I don't really like it, because it seems to imply that there's more than just a connection between TTA and SM, and that TTA may actual have some control over SM, but I think that it warrants pointing out.


I dunno, I just thought she was creeped out by the business suit guy standing completely still when she said that.

As interesting as that is, I really don't think totheark is Slender Man's Operator. His videos and messages wouldn't really make much sense. Most of his videos seem to be warning J of something.

Also, if we are assuming that the distortion and audio removal in the tapes is happening because Slender Man is near, then how did totheark acquire the missing audio to some of the tapes? When I first started watching the tapes, I figured Alex had removed the audio to keep the watcher from hearing something dangerous, like maybe SM actually talks and hearing him has something to do with getting him to follow you? I dunno. Not much to do in between entries aside from tossing random thoughts around.

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 		You know what's getting at me? People are forgetting the fact that there's a 3 year gap here.

Could totheark REALLY have been around three years ago, then mysteriously stopped doing his totheark business just as the whole tapes business ended, only to come back around here? Most of our totheark speculation--supported by the fact that all his/her videos are replies to the Entries--revolves around the idea that totheark found the Entries on youtube and started replying to them. He/she is almost certainly someone from the situation three years ago, however do you really think that they started doing what they're doing now three years ago and then just promptly stopped and happened to keep all the footage and all their work?

My point is that people keep saying that totheark filmed J getting the tapes, when having a second person hiding in the forest filming people seems incredibly out of place, given the fact that it was THREE YEARS AGO. No, I think it's much more likely that Alex did that and then somehow totheark got his/her hands on the excised footage and audio from the Entries, and then began posting them to the internet to supplement J's Entries.

totheark didn't get personally involved until he/she, presumably, lured J to the house (which may or may not be Alex's--my personal view is that it's not) and stalked him as he investigated the building. By the same token, though, I don't believe that totheark did the same with Alex in Entry 13, because as my entire post has been saying again and again, how likely do you REALLY think it was that totheark was around, doing his totheark thing THREE YEARS AGO?

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TheNightmareComplex
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 		Also, we can't get hung up on the fact that Slender Man's a child-napper.

'Cause he isn't.

There are pictures and stories of him attacking large groups of people, an entire hospital, stealing young children, hypnotizing a man into slaughtering his family, calling people to him, people calling to him, eating/stabbing/ripping/beating, and all manner of general misdeed.

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TheAtroxious
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 		Wow, there's some good debate going on here.

I think Morscata is really onto something here. That post was probably the best speculation I've seen since I joined.

However, I also think that the involvement of TTA in this mysterious sickness has a certain ring of truth to it. I could see both Alex and J getting sick due to stress at first, but there does seem to be an odd correlation between the more significant illness and TTA.

But, yeah, I really like the theory that Alex disturbed something while filming, and therefore incurred the wrath of the slender man. Hell, I keep getting the odd suspicion, as TNC does, that Alex isn't exactly the good guy here. Maybe that's just the SM fangirl in me speaking, but there really is something fishy about this whole thing. In this particular canon, it seems as though (to me, at least) SM is more of a guardian entity or something. His presence seems less like a threat than a warning, as we've not exactly seen him do anything bad so far. It's like he's a mostly impartial observer on humanity unless someone winds up pissing him off, which Alex did.

This brings us to two things: One is, and this is speculation, is SM really a minor player in the game, with TTA being the more major antagonist? Honestly, I'm actually a bit dubious about this theory myself, as the slender man was the inspiration behind these videos, but I am sensing a possible power-play between TTA and SM, with TTA being the overall more powerful entity.

The second, can anyone find anything tangibly suspicious in Alex's behavior besides his paranoia? I'm thinking we might need to try looking into this a bit more.

Finally, I don't think that anyone in the story was supposed to know about SM. Certainly, J didn't, but also, the slender man was supposed to have been collectively discovered at a time after the events happened. So at that time, I think he was just a strange entity who happened to be plaguing Alex at the time.

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Kilo
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DavFlamerock wrote:
You know what's getting at me? People are forgetting the fact that there's a 3 year gap here.

Could totheark REALLY have been around three years ago, then mysteriously stopped doing his totheark business just as the whole tapes business ended, only to come back around here? Most of our totheark speculation--supported by the fact that all his/her videos are replies to the Entries--revolves around the idea that totheark found the Entries on youtube and started replying to them. He/she is almost certainly someone from the situation three years ago, however do you really think that they started doing what they're doing now three years ago and then just promptly stopped and happened to keep all the footage and all their work?

My point is that people keep saying that totheark filmed J getting the tapes, when having a second person hiding in the forest filming people seems incredibly out of place, given the fact that it was THREE YEARS AGO. No, I think it's much more likely that Alex did that and then somehow totheark got his/her hands on the excised footage and audio from the Entries, and then began posting them to the internet to supplement J's Entries.

totheark didn't get personally involved until he/she, presumably, lured J to the house (which may or may not be Alex's--my personal view is that it's not) and stalked him as he investigated the building. By the same token, though, I don't believe that totheark did the same with Alex in Entry 13, because as my entire post has been saying again and again, how likely do you REALLY think it was that totheark was around, doing his totheark thing THREE YEARS AGO?


Well, there are alternatives. To defend my original position, though, I do believe that totheark was doing his thing three years ago. I believe that TTA is deeply intertwined with SM. For me, the connection is hard to deny.

But, working with what your saying- do student films have any type of tech guy? Someone who may have looked over the tapes before anyone else, for editing and splicing and whatever else you do to a movie? In Exit, the subtitle says "remember me". Which could explain how he got some of the footage, etc. Maybe someone Alex trusted, someone working behind the scenes that no one really would've known?

And he's a tech guy, of course he'd post all these codes and stuff. It all makes sense!

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Kilo wrote:
Maybe someone Alex trusted, someone working behind the scenes that no one really would've known?

Like... Brian!

I dunno, I'm just trying to find excuses for totheark to be Brian because that's who I feel totheark is, though so far the evidence has been pointing pretty regularly at Alex.

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Kilo
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 		I don't know, I firmly believe TTA is someone we haven't met yet. "remember me" convinces me firmly of that. And all the craziness, too.

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