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[Viral] "There's Something In The Sea" - Bioshock 2?
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Cataclysmic V
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gb14 wrote:
Ok, now I'm thinking...

The entire story "Through the looking glass, which Lutwidge is obsessed with is based on a chess game." Theres the Red side and the White side. What is that the white side "seeks"? I figure it's either the Red King. Now lets take a look at who the people in Something in the sea are substituted for chess pieces. We have the red pawn, the red queen, the white knight and the red king.

Red pawn = ?
Red queen = ?
white knight = James Milliard Oakes?
Red king = Rapture/Ryan?

Sylocat and I have a theory.
Red Pawn = Lynch
White Knight = Lutwidge
Lewis Carroll, (Charles Lutwidge Dodson) referred to himself as the White Knight. So, if Lutwidge has taken Lewis' real name upon himself, perhaps he has taken the title of the White Knight too...

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 		Multiple Big Sisters? I can believe it. It would be hard for the existing Little Sisters to find some purpose in life outside of Rapture.

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 		They say we play the first successful bonded BD to 'Eleanor' (And if she isn't The Main Big Sister I'll eat my controller) so does that mean that we're the Big Daddy that introduced Suchong to his desk via that drill?

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Cataclysmic V wrote:
gb14 wrote:
Ok, now I'm thinking...

The entire story "Through the looking glass, which Lutwidge is obsessed with is based on a chess game." Theres the Red side and the White side. What is that the white side "seeks"? I figure it's either the Red King. Now lets take a look at who the people in Something in the sea are substituted for chess pieces. We have the red pawn, the red queen, the white knight and the red king.

Red pawn = ?
Red queen = ?
white knight = James Milliard Oakes?
Red king = Rapture/Ryan?

Sylocat and I have a theory.
Red Pawn = Lynch
White Knight = Lutwidge
Lewis Carroll, (Charles Lutwidge Dodson) referred to himself as the White Knight. So, if Lutwidge has taken Lewis' real name upon himself, perhaps he has taken the title of the White Knight too...


So then what does Lutwidge seek?

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gb14 wrote:
Cataclysmic V wrote:
gb14 wrote:
Ok, now I'm thinking...

The entire story "Through the looking glass, which Lutwidge is obsessed with is based on a chess game." Theres the Red side and the White side. What is that the white side "seeks"? I figure it's either the Red King. Now lets take a look at who the people in Something in the sea are substituted for chess pieces. We have the red pawn, the red queen, the white knight and the red king.

Red pawn = ?
Red queen = ?
white knight = James Milliard Oakes?
Red king = Rapture/Ryan?

Sylocat and I have a theory.
Red Pawn = Lynch
White Knight = Lutwidge
Lewis Carroll, (Charles Lutwidge Dodson) referred to himself as the White Knight. So, if Lutwidge has taken Lewis' real name upon himself, perhaps he has taken the title of the White Knight too...


So then what does Lutwidge seek?

Maybe he believes his role as the White Knight is to guide the seeker, (Mark) to his goal (Rapture).

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mmm
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Cataclysmic V wrote:
gb14 wrote:
Cataclysmic V wrote:
gb14 wrote:
Ok, now I'm thinking...

The entire story "Through the looking glass, which Lutwidge is obsessed with is based on a chess game." Theres the Red side and the White side. What is that the white side "seeks"? I figure it's either the Red King. Now lets take a look at who the people in Something in the sea are substituted for chess pieces. We have the red pawn, the red queen, the white knight and the red king.

Red pawn = ?
Red queen = ?
white knight = James Milliard Oakes?
Red king = Rapture/Ryan?

Sylocat and I have a theory.
Red Pawn = Lynch
White Knight = Lutwidge
Lewis Carroll, (Charles Lutwidge Dodson) referred to himself as the White Knight. So, if Lutwidge has taken Lewis' real name upon himself, perhaps he has taken the title of the White Knight too...


So then what does Lutwidge seek?

Maybe he believes his role as the White Knight is to guide the seeker, (Mark) to his goal (Rapture).

Doesn't that audio diary and Quain's story confirm that Oakes is the white knight? Although, I don't know where he got them from, I guess they could be plants. I remember Celeste saying she would read articles printed in no other newspaper but hers, maybe Lynch planted an altered copy of Quain's story for Mark to find?

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 		Re: General info about Bioshock 2
Interview
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I've been reading this for awhile in hopes of finding the answer to the 5x5 puzzle in the music box. Well, just so everyone gets some general info about the game they posted a new video with an interview with Geoff Keighley. Check it out, who knows it may help.

http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/gametrailers-tv/76&ch=1&sd=0?ep=76&ch=1&sd=0


something interesting to note from this is that they say there are multiple Big Sisters...interesting


Another thing also, yes there are multiple big sisters but there is also THE big sister, the first big sister and it has already been revealed that she is the one who is abducting the children. Another interesting thing I found was that each big daddy was bonded to a single little sister, since our big daddy (that we play) is also the first to successfully bond we can assume that the little sister we bonded to (I can't remember her name, they say it in the video) must be the first big sister.

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EchoGarrote wrote:
They say we play the first successful bonded BD to 'Eleanor' (And if she isn't The Main Big Sister I'll eat my controller) so does that mean that we're the Big Daddy that introduced Suchong to his desk via that drill?


I never would have thought of that. That is a very good observation,
maybe we might have to protect her just like if a splicer was attacking her

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mmm wrote:
Cataclysmic V wrote:
gb14 wrote:
Cataclysmic V wrote:
gb14 wrote:
Ok, now I'm thinking...

The entire story "Through the looking glass, which Lutwidge is obsessed with is based on a chess game." Theres the Red side and the White side. What is that the white side "seeks"? I figure it's either the Red King. Now lets take a look at who the people in Something in the sea are substituted for chess pieces. We have the red pawn, the red queen, the white knight and the red king.

Red pawn = ?
Red queen = ?
white knight = James Milliard Oakes?
Red king = Rapture/Ryan?

Sylocat and I have a theory.
Red Pawn = Lynch
White Knight = Lutwidge
Lewis Carroll, (Charles Lutwidge Dodson) referred to himself as the White Knight. So, if Lutwidge has taken Lewis' real name upon himself, perhaps he has taken the title of the White Knight too...


So then what does Lutwidge seek?

Maybe he believes his role as the White Knight is to guide the seeker, (Mark) to his goal (Rapture).

Doesn't that audio diary and Quain's story confirm that Oakes is the white knight? Although, I don't know where he got them from, I guess they could be plants. I remember Celeste saying she would read articles printed in no other newspaper but hers, maybe Lynch planted an altered copy of Quain's story for Mark to find?


I don't know if this is any help...but after reading most of the wiki I came to some theories of my own.

Red pawn = Inman
Red queen = Lutwidge (He does go by the alias Red Queen {Rod Quain})
white knight = James Milliard Oakes (who may be Lynch?)
Red king = Rapture/Ryan

I think it is possible that lutwidge was told by Atlas or Ryan to keep outsiders away from rapture, possibly this could be the single reason he was allowed to leave rapture in the first place. Oakes may have been able to leave so that Jack (from Bioshock 1) could come to rapture. This would possibly be seen as the seeker, Oakes the knight bringing the seeker to rapture. Then if Oakes stayed he might also want to go back since he has an addiction to adam (he was the one who gave lutwidge his addiction) and has made him quite crazy. He know might see Mark as the way back to rapture for himself and all of his insanity. He would of course need the alias so Lynch? I don't know about Oakes but it was a thought.*Just putting this out there.*

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 		Is the site down or is it just me?

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 		Interesting video... the first promo blurbs had made it seem like the Big Sister was going to be the primary antagonist, but now it looks like there's more conflicting political philosophy ahead.

It now looks like there are multiple Big Sisters, and the one Big Sister that we saw in the previous trailer is a rogue one. That changes a lot of things... maybe it's more than one Big Sister taking all the girls, and the one that's hanging around Mark is the rogue?

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Is the site down or is it just me?
It's working fine for me.

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Spirit_12 wrote:
mmm wrote:
Cataclysmic V wrote:
gb14 wrote:
Cataclysmic V wrote:
gb14 wrote:
Ok, now I'm thinking...

The entire story "Through the looking glass, which Lutwidge is obsessed with is based on a chess game." Theres the Red side and the White side. What is that the white side "seeks"? I figure it's either the Red King. Now lets take a look at who the people in Something in the sea are substituted for chess pieces. We have the red pawn, the red queen, the white knight and the red king.

Red pawn = ?
Red queen = ?
white knight = James Milliard Oakes?
Red king = Rapture/Ryan?

Sylocat and I have a theory.
Red Pawn = Lynch
White Knight = Lutwidge
Lewis Carroll, (Charles Lutwidge Dodson) referred to himself as the White Knight. So, if Lutwidge has taken Lewis' real name upon himself, perhaps he has taken the title of the White Knight too...


So then what does Lutwidge seek?

Maybe he believes his role as the White Knight is to guide the seeker, (Mark) to his goal (Rapture).

Doesn't that audio diary and Quain's story confirm that Oakes is the white knight? Although, I don't know where he got them from, I guess they could be plants. I remember Celeste saying she would read articles printed in no other newspaper but hers, maybe Lynch planted an altered copy of Quain's story for Mark to find?


I don't know if this is any help...but after reading most of the wiki I came to some theories of my own.

Red pawn = Inman
Red queen = Lutwidge (He does go by the alias Red Queen {Rod Quain})
white knight = James Milliard Oakes (who may be Lynch?)
Red king = Rapture/Ryan

I think it is possible that lutwidge was told by Atlas or Ryan to keep outsiders away from rapture, possibly this could be the single reason he was allowed to leave rapture in the first place. Oakes may have been able to leave so that Jack (from Bioshock 1) could come to rapture. This would possibly be seen as the seeker, Oakes the knight bringing the seeker to rapture. Then if Oakes stayed he might also want to go back since he has an addiction to adam (he was the one who gave lutwidge his addiction) and has made him quite crazy. He know might see Mark as the way back to rapture for himself and all of his insanity. He would of course need the alias so Lynch? I don't know about Oakes but it was a thought.*Just putting this out there.*


I'm thinking more along the lines of:
Red Pawn: Lynch and so if Lynch was helping Lutwidge then...
Red Queen: Lutwidge
White Knight: Must be JMO but that would mean that he was against Lutwidge, because Lutwidge is the Red Queen, but it also means that if JMO is killed then the battle is won and it's check mate
Red King: I have no idea, it would have to be the person leading the other side in the civil war, but who was that? Atlas?

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Sylocat wrote:
The Mirror wrote:
Is the site down or is it just me?
It's working fine for me.


It's down for me. ruh roh

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 		By the way, Lutwidge says that when "Apollo crashed into the ocean" IE, Jack crashing the plane into the ocean which led to him killing Ryan and Atlas, "The signals fell silent," meaning that Lutwidge was somehow keeping some sort of tabs on what was going on in Rapture.

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