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jessie1326
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One of the pages (forgive me, I can't remember which one off the top of my head) has a clue in the source code that says the first few batches are just a smokescreen. Has anyone been keeping track of what the "batches" are? I.e., which entries were posted together and when?

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I have been emailing back and forth with hatshoe as well. Nothing interesting to report yet.
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To Jessie1326:: That page is 'door unlock'.

Something I noticed while looking over that particular phrase is that he mentions 'code within code'. To me that originally meant 'code' as in programming 'code' but now I think it might be more, like a puzzle within the code. that makes a little more sense. I haven't been able to get anywhere particularly meaningful as I am really rusty on my super-detailed-'grammar'-rules of HTML. I do suspect that what ever it is, is hidden in the 'coordinates' for the links on the page leading to the individual pages in the 'journal'. That's the only place I can imagine something easily hiding-in-plain-sight in... maybe if we had a way to 'see' where the link coordinate rectangles are on the page....

Any help/thoughts on this?
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Please bear with me, I know nothing of coding. What do the location of the </style> </head> tags mean? In some of the source pages it is:

</style></head>

and others it is:

</style>

</head>
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When you perform intense brightness/contrast on Sleepwalk.jpg, there is one thing that pops out that seems a little too coincidental to be random. It's centered around the "h" in "woke up with". It appears that - perhaps - a word was written vertically and blended in to the base text. But it also could just be random. I've spent an hour or so trying to analyze it and just can't quite get anything out of it.. like staring at a Rorschach test. I've managed to convince myself at various times that it's nothing, or the word "Tuck", or just an artifact of the scanner.

Acting on a different clue, maybe we're looking for individual letters that are just lighter than the others. It's worth noting that Sleepwalk is the only one of Hatshoe's messages where the intensity of the characters varies; in all the others the lettering is very uniform in pressure (either because it was done that way when written or it was post-processed). However, I've stared at Sleepwalk for a long time now, both with the bare eye and in Gimp, and I can't get anything out of it. The problem is that, unlike in the clue sent back as a response to the email, the intensity of the letters forms a fairly uniform curve from light to dark, with no obvious breaks. Of course some letters are lighter than others, but where do you draw the line? For example the "h" in "in his sleep" is very light. But what about the "t" in "tell-tale"? Does that count or not? Also if you look at it long enough you realize that some, if not all, of the letter intensity changes could be just the idiom of the writer; for example, he seems to draw "t" lighter than other letters particularly at the beginning of the word. The overall document, even under careful analysis, seems to just have been written "normally".

That is to say, in both the brightness/contrast and letter intensity evaluations, the signal is just too low relative to the noise.

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teh_lisa wrote:
Please bear with me, I know nothing of coding. What do the location of the </style> </head> tags mean? In some of the source pages it is:

</style></head>

and others it is:

</style>

</head>
Code:
</style>
means that you close a CSS style definition, used to define how a webpage should look.
Code:
</head>
denotes the closing of the meta-information part of the webpage; the part where things like the page title, style configuration, keywords, etc. is saved.

The ways these are arranged technically have no importance, since as long as they're in the right order, the web browser will understand it. It's mainly just for human reading purposes that the code is indented and newline'd.

The differences could however indicate two different batches, since he's used two different styles of closing off the two last head tags.
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Sleepwalk also has the word "without" twice next to each other. "You move, you are controlled, without without really choosing..."
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teh_lisa
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Stæld wrote:
teh_lisa wrote:
Please bear with me, I know nothing of coding. What do the location of the </style> </head> tags mean? In some of the source pages it is:

</style></head>

and others it is:

</style>

</head>
Code:
</style>
means that you close a CSS style definition, used to define how a webpage should look.
Code:
</head>
denotes the closing of the meta-information part of the webpage; the part where things like the page title, style configuration, keywords, etc. is saved.

The ways these are arranged technically have no importance, since as long as they're in the right order, the web browser will understand it. It's mainly just for human reading purposes that the code is indented and newline'd.

The differences could however indicate two different batches, since he's used two different styles of closing off the two last head tags.


So:

</style>

</head>

is used on:
baking soda
voice
love
twitter
chesthair
hair

</style>
</head>

is used on:
backhair
womanfeet (aka hoof)

Everything else looks like this (except recipe):

</style></head>

Recipe is different only in the number of returns between </style></head> and <body>.

I bet this means nothing now that I have gone through them all Smile
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Yeah, prolly means nada, and may even be an artifact of whatever is being used to generate and or upload the html code... (Does anyone actually do html by hand? Beyond bold, etc.?)
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pancito wrote:
(Does anyone actually do html by hand? Beyond bold, etc.?)


Guess I'm one of the few, huh?

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I usually code by hand. mainly because I'm usually just doing edits to existing pages so all I need is to change the code here and there

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pancito wrote:
Yeah, prolly means nada, and may even be an artifact of whatever is being used to generate and or upload the html code... (Does anyone actually do html by hand? Beyond bold, etc.?)


I might still be writing pages in Pico, on the server... *whistles innocently* *highfives natas*

I think the difference in style and head tag spacing is probably, as has been mentioned, more relevant to the order in which the pages were put together, rather than the order in which they were posted. Build a frame, change the title and the image, save as, do the next one in the same template. Probably not relevant to us... probably.
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Yaslana
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Stæld wrote:
teh_lisa wrote:
Please bear with me, I know nothing of coding. What do the location of the </style> </head> tags mean? In some of the source pages it is:

</style></head>

and others it is:

</style>

</head>
Code:
</style>
means that you close a CSS style definition, used to define how a webpage should look.
Code:
</head>
denotes the closing of the meta-information part of the webpage; the part where things like the page title, style configuration, keywords, etc. is saved.

The ways these are arranged technically have no importance, since as long as they're in the right order, the web browser will understand it. It's mainly just for human reading purposes that the code is indented and newline'd.

The differences could however indicate two different batches, since he's used two different styles of closing off the two last head tags.


I love the way you think!

It got me thinking about what I deemed to be just a 'fluke' earlier.
Note the difference in location of the link that points back to 'index.html' ((See 'Castles.html', 'Cameras.html', 'Outlander.html', 'Doglady.html', 'Natural.html', 'Recipe.htmll', 'Bakingsoda.html', 'Voice.html', 'Love.html', and 'Twitter.html'))

It's interesting to note::
the pages Castles-Hair uses the same image to link ((X-com is an anomaly, using the same image, but different location))
the pages Cameras-Bone uses a new image to link, in a different location
the pages Outlander-Twitter implements handwritten variations of 'hatshoe.org' in (generally) the same place.

Regarding the last 'set'::
Outlander and Baking Soda both use lower-case lettering in similar script. (Baking soda is left-justified while outlander is center-justified)
Dog Lady, Natural, Recipe, Voice, Love, and Twitter are all capitalized like a proper noun would be. However, the scripts vary vastly between different pages and seem to vary in relation to the style/tone of the contents. Out of these, only Recipe is 'bolded', and is right-justified. The unnaturally tall lettering on Voice stands out to me, but it's worth examining by others for more opinions.


Ooooh. Love.html's title is whimsical, and Twitter.html's title looks like it has a shadow (like it's being stalked), Doglady.html's title is rather creepy (as though the text were leaning around a corner... reminds me of Halloween fonts).


/Discuss


((P.S. - I also write out my code by hand, though I mostly use it for smaller things less than website creation. Though, if it means anything, I usually get into a 'pattern' and things usually end up looking the same unless I make them deliberately different. That may mean something, or I might just be a really inefficient coder.))

((P.P.S. - I'm seriously considering making a spreadsheet denoting the differences of the pages to compile them in one place... should I?))


((EDIT:: cause I missed something earlier))
'Natural.html'' is 'natural' if that makes sense... it is capitalized and sports no shocking anomalies. It sorta makes it the prime example of what I compared things against, but that may mean something more than just 'it is plain'. Enjoy!
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Carl is his neighbour, apparantly we're going to learn about him together. Also, Carl is drinking too much coffee according to the Twitter.

Yaslana ma have found our 'batches', and looking at the title's seems such an obvious thing to do but well done Yaslana, for looking where we didn't.

Not quite sure what it all means though, we may have got our batches but what do we do with them? Still pretty clueless at the moment. Feels like I've missed something obvious.

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jessie1326 wrote:
One of the pages (forgive me, I can't remember which one off the top of my head) has a clue in the source code that says the first few batches are just a smokescreen. Has anyone been keeping track of what the "batches" are? I.e., which entries were posted together and when?


Outlander was the first add in

Dog Lady, Natural and Recipe were added next

Most recently is Baking Soda, Voice, Love and Twitter. However I can neither confirm nor deny that all four were added at the same time.

The rest were in the original 'post'

Just an aside, I think in Love he is talking about a pet. I know it is eluding to a captive person but I think it sounds very much like a dog.

And I agree with Yaslana, I was thinking this afternoon each page might be written by different people but after looking at them most of the handwriting is the same. The headers though are a great catch.

edit:spelling, dude its bad.

More while we are looking at the links...from Castles to Hair on the list he uses Main to link back and after that Hatshoe and all the add in pages do not have the cool little 3d effect with the paper laid on paper links ...small things I'm sure

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