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Re: THIS IS TEH POST

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[savatage]

[TheNightmareComplex]

I actually enjoy that, savatage. While I don't believe ALL of those are intentional references, it does make sense in certain aspects.

EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to mention I'm DYING of anxiety here! SOMETHING has to happen, and soon, goddammit!

EDIT EDIT: Some promising idea, someone claims playing the audio from Addition backwards says "I SEE...YOU I SEE... YOU"

However, that's up for extreme debate.

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[TheAtroxious]

Good analyses, guys. I'm really digging the religious references, even being that they are just speculation, and perhaps even just coincidence.

I was at first somewhat dubious about the house in Entry 16 being Alex's, but Sirdangalot's post is just so logical. I'll be taking up residence in that camp now.

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[lifegospel]

Hehe, might be gospel, that's me.

I really can't think of anything to do until the next video.
I'll see if any of my friends who go to bible school can help.

[TheAtroxious]

Or G-Man. People often compare SM to G-Man.

Oh, and in response to another, earlier post that I forgot to reply to, I actually often feel like someone's watching me at night. Once when I was around nine or ten I saw some sort of entity, like a shadow person at night which may or may not have been a case of hypnagogia, which I kind of relate it to. Either way, I'm going to attribute that to my desensitization to slender man's purported nightmare fuel.

Hmm, I kind of feel bad about not being able to help out with the religious connections. 'Cause I know pretty much next to nothing about religions except their names and the names of some of the characters, so I'd not even know where to begin, really.

Hell, this whole series is kinda out of my league except for the horror aspect. We have religion, we have number puzzles.... I'm just along for the ride, speculating where I can, 'cause I have had experience solving mystery books.

[Sirdangolot5]

Okay, so recently I've been trying to put together a comprehensive summary of what we know about the plot. The plot- as in events, and situations, not the meanings of symbols.

It started with Alex Kralie. During filming for Marble Hornets, Alex began to have problems concerning a certain supernatural figure. As the filming progressed over the course of two months, the encounters began to take a heavy toll on Alex's physical and mental health. He took to filming himself constantly. Eventually, it got to the point where Alex could no longer continue work on Marble Hornets. Production ceased abruptly, and Alex holed up in his own house for weeks. During this time, he seems to have solved the problem by successfully "forgetting what he saw". Additionally, he seems to have suffered a serious disease- evidenced by blood caking his sink, tons of medication on his table, and his condition when J convinced him to have him over. He was very distant. J inquired about the tapes, and Alex said he was going to burn them. J asked to have them, and Alex agreed, on the conditions that he never bring them back and never, ever talk to Alex about it. J was too creeped out to watch them at first, but three years later, finding a discussion about Slender Man on SA forums, J's interest in the tapes was suddenly renewed. He set about watching them at once. Some time into the investigation, he was contacted by Totheark. Around this time, he began suffering from a cough, blackouts, high fever, and loss of appetite. His physician failed to diagnose the condition. After posting Entry #14, J wrote that he "need[s] to find out where Alex is." This is, notably, in direct contradiction of Alex's conditions. After arranging an interview with MH actor Tim, J was interested in talking to Brian, due to a few surprising comments made by Tim. Totheark quickly responded with a video response with tons of clues pointing to Brian.

*insert the overly wordy summary of Entry #16 from earlier*

Okay, so here we are. Is that a good summary?

I know it might seem like I'm not contributing much by restating everything we've decided, but I thought it would be useful to reestablish a common frame of reference for our discussion.

[savatage]

As per religious comments- I also think that we are looking too far into it, with all of the symbolism. While I do not believe MH will end with significant (if any) religious connotations, it is interesting to speculate on; and, as someone has said, it helps pass the time between videos! I am going to do a comprehensive analysis of the videos with religious connotations- so we can all have that to look forward to... Just keep it in mind that, even if the videos did say something like, "I am the angel of death!" then it is most likely refering to the CONCEPT of the angel of death, and not stating that SM is actually said entity. Religious symbolism often acts like this, often in horror, I have noticed. I don't believe that they will make it strictly a Christian thing, or any other religion.

As per the summary- that actually did help, and it brought up some interesting points. What struck me most was the "forcing himself to forget" train of thought...

As has been stated, I think, on the SA thread, maybe we are dealing with a tulpoid? Several "out there" scientists believe in this phenomenon. If you are of a more analytical mind, read the (slightly outdated!) "Excalibur Briefing" for some very interesting points about it- with some scientific evidence to boot. Carl Jung is also a good place to start!

Basically, a tulpoid is something that is created from the mass unconsciousness. Therefore, something like Bigfoot is going to have a very strong reality- the Native Americans believed in him, and white settlers heard the myths. When he is seen, he is "projected" from our unconscious- and since so many people believe in him, it is very real, especially in the Pacific Northwest. As news of him spread, he popped up in other parts of the world, but more "blurry", so to speak- the footprints were not as well-formed, he wasn't seen as long. In time, he will be.

What they say, also, is that time and space don't matter with tulpas- and one day, we will dig up Bigfoot bones, and catch a live specimen, and find evidence of him from millenia ago. But tulpas also take on a more subconscious meaning. The author of "Excalibur Briefing" suggests (he wrote his book during the height of the Cold War) that cattle mutilations are America's subconscious fear of Soviet attacks. Cows are fertile, and represent America. Since they often had their genitals and utters destroyed in cattle mutilations, it was America's unconscious way of saying that the Communists would destroy the "life-force" and "future" of America.

Basically, people who see this stuff aren't crazy and imagining it. Well, they ARE, but they manifest it.

But where, then, do these thoughts come from, and more importantly, how in the heck does this relate to SM or MH?!

Well, I don't know if this has been thought of before, but I am going to say it is my own theory, because I haven't read it:

Carl Jung wrote that dreams are symbols. Everyone knows basic symbols- the circle represents the womb and therefore safety, which is why it is often used in magic as protection, and why the Sun is worshipped for its healing powers. The cross has taken on the symbolism of redemption. Myths are symbols- the hero, the dead and resurrected god, the afterlife, the evil spirit- all are symbols.

One often says, "To create a tulpa such as bigfoot, how was it that people originally created the thoughtform? Did they see it? Make it up out of the blue?" I believe that they are all symbols, created in that way. Mankind thinks and dreams in symbols, so it makes sense that, if we CAN create tulpas, they would be manifest in such a way. Hence, the evil spirit or dragon in every culture across time and across the world. Coincidence? No. Man just thinks like this!

So I was thinking- what if, IG, SM was a tulpa created by everyone who either heard of him from the SA thread, or, more intriguing yet, he is a symbol? It boils down to, "What does SM represent?" To say that he represents fear or terror is too basic- he INSTILLS fear and terror, but what else?

He is very similar to the Men in Black, and they too, as per John Keel and others, are very similar to earlier manifestations of black-clad beings, such as faeries from the Celts or demons from the West. A being that seems human at first, only to be revealed, throughout the folk tale or story, that he is only almost human. Something is off.

When Alex first sees him, they think him a human. (Entry 12, wasn't it?) It is only throughout the rest of it that they find him to be a truly horrifying entity.

I will have to look further into the symbolism of these events. I think I've said enough for one post!


tl;dr version: Everyone created SM from their unconscious symbols. He is similar to other folk myths and therefore, discerning exactly what he means may prove beneficial.

EDIT: For those interested, part of the book can be found here:

http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/index.html

But if you are, like me, unfamiliar with more advanced science, it may be more than a little dry!

[The Last Gent]

I almost wonder if "forgetting what you see" basically means "not believing in him." It's kind of juvenile but it make sense. Consider that in most of the vids, SM doesn't really DO anything, just stand around and look creepy. It's only at the end that he hurts Alex. I think that alex figured out that if you ignore him, deny his existence, he'll go away, and that explains why he was going to destroy the tapes and stuff. The sickness might be a manifestation of that as well.

Of course this doesn't explain how TTA fits into it.

[fyo]

It had never even occurred to me that Alex may have gotten past Slenderman somehow. I had just assumed that SM had definitely had his way with him, whatever that entails.

But it does make sense if you suppose that SM's influence grows the more you think of/perceive him. Alex wanting to burn the tapes or giving them away on the condition that J never brings it up again fits nicely with the notion that Alex somehow got past it.

In that vein (somewhat), one thing I've been thinking about is that maybe the reason why totheark is so cryptic is because he can't directly talk about/think of Slenderman. Doing so would just bring him closer. So maybe he's come up with contrived ways of representing him (binary codes and spooky video effects) that allows him to communicate information about SM without actually thinking about him to the point that it'd bring SM closer.

[Slender freak]

I have a slenderman costume but its not very good i couldn't find a good enough no face mask to wear is all.

I recently had a slenderman dream which really disturbed me. I was near a shed during the night with some of my friends and when they had decided to head home i told them not to go that they would see him if they just waited with me. moments later i turn around and slenderman is staring at me in the bushes, but the odd thing is is that he doesn't do anything but stare at me. i run away frightened to death and every time i stop to take a breathe he is no more than 5 feet away from me. He is so close that i can practically see his tentacles waving about but when i finally cannot run anymore he is standing right beside me. I am on the ground petrified, what he does next made me believe he only wishes to strike fear into others. He bends down with his blank face and just stares at me, as i look into the blank abyss that is his face I begin to feel calm and at ease with his presence as if he means me no harm and I soon black out. I later woke up (in my dream) to find myself surrounded by bloodied tree's and limbs hanging from the branches. I wake up from this nightmare sweaty and uneasy, as i go to the bathroom to pee, I start to break down, because the dream was so vivid my nose had began to bleed.

True story, i still believe that if i think about slenderman I will eventually dream about him or worse see him, so i try to distract myself from thinking about him. although since I'm posting it on this site I begin to get paranoid with my surroundings.