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blue5213
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MrHawthorne wrote:
Alright I think that I found something else that solidifies my assumption that totheark is the camera operator from entry #9.

The blocks of slashes in Regards have always been a mystery of sorts to me. Today I had an idea. I remembered that the blocks change sizes when they flash. Some thought this was morse code, but I think it's simpler than that.

From my count the first set of slashes flashes twice, the second flashes twice and the third flashes three times. All together 223.

I immediately thought that this was a timestamp, so I paused Entry #9 at 2:23, and who is in perfect view? The camera operator. Regards.


Just to add some needless confusion...Alex is also in perfect view at 2:23. Waving to the camera.

Given that Regards is the first TTA entry, and doesn't really contain any plot-relevant clues, it's likely that he menas it to be a "hello." So it could easily be either the unnamed camera operator, or Alex.

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blue5213 wrote:
MrHawthorne wrote:
Alright I think that I found something else that solidifies my assumption that totheark is the camera operator from entry #9.

The blocks of slashes in Regards have always been a mystery of sorts to me. Today I had an idea. I remembered that the blocks change sizes when they flash. Some thought this was morse code, but I think it's simpler than that.

From my count the first set of slashes flashes twice, the second flashes twice and the third flashes three times. All together 223.

I immediately thought that this was a timestamp, so I paused Entry #9 at 2:23, and who is in perfect view? The camera operator. Regards.


Just to add some needless confusion...Alex is also in perfect view at 2:23. Waving to the camera.

Given that Regards is the first TTA entry, and doesn't really contain any plot-relevant clues, it's likely that he menas it to be a "hello." So it could easily be either the unnamed camera operator, or Alex.


Well... technically he waves at 2:22. At 2:23 we get a still shot of the camera man smirking at the camera.

EDIT: Furthermore, he is the only one looking at the camera at 2:23. Everyone else is looking away.

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BaronVonCakeman wrote:
blue5213 wrote:
MrHawthorne wrote:
Alright I think that I found something else that solidifies my assumption that totheark is the camera operator from entry #9.

The blocks of slashes in Regards have always been a mystery of sorts to me. Today I had an idea. I remembered that the blocks change sizes when they flash. Some thought this was morse code, but I think it's simpler than that.

From my count the first set of slashes flashes twice, the second flashes twice and the third flashes three times. All together 223.

I immediately thought that this was a timestamp, so I paused Entry #9 at 2:23, and who is in perfect view? The camera operator. Regards.


Just to add some needless confusion...Alex is also in perfect view at 2:23. Waving to the camera.

Given that Regards is the first TTA entry, and doesn't really contain any plot-relevant clues, it's likely that he menas it to be a "hello." So it could easily be either the unnamed camera operator, or Alex.


Well... technically he waves at 2:22. At 2:23 we get a still shot of the camera man smirking at the camera.

EDIT: Furthermore, he is the only one looking at the camera at 2:23. Everyone else is looking away.


You're right, Alex looks away right at 2:23.

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MrHawthorne wrote:
Alright I think that I found something else that solidifies my assumption that totheark is the camera operator from entry #9.

The blocks of slashes in Regards have always been a mystery of sorts to me. Today I had an idea. I remembered that the blocks change sizes when they flash. Some thought this was morse code, but I think it's simpler than that.

From my count the first set of slashes flashes twice, the second flashes twice and the third flashes three times. All together 223.

I immediately thought that this was a timestamp, so I paused Entry #9 at 2:23, and who is in perfect view? The camera operator. Regards.



I'll try a different code, that is an AWESOME find, but I saw the three numbers and thought of something I was reading earlier today.

Has anybody ever heard of Wig-wag? It's a signaling system that uses three numbers at a time to spell out letters. It gets a little complicated after that.
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 		WHEREIS THECAMERAMAN
I think this theory is extremely plausible. It explains a couple of things that make totheark less omnipotent and more realistic.

First, we know that Alex uses a different camera, his own, to surveille himself at all times. Tim mentions this during Entry #15. A common problem with the "totheark is Alex" theory is that Alex must have been in two places at the same time in order to film J while he retrieved batteries from Alex's car in Exit. This dilemma arises because Alex takes his own camera with him when he encounters Slenderman. But, if a second camera were present during the events of Entry #13, the official Marble Hornets camera, this would explain how J could have been filmed.

Second, totheark somehow has access to Marble Hornets principal photography that has not been posted to the Internet, as can be seen in Advocate. This leaves only two possibilities for totheark's identity: Alex, or the unnamed camera operator for Marble Hornets.

Third, that smirk is creepy. If totheark was aware of Slenderman during the filming of Marble Hornets, he may have been sending hidden messages even as early as principal photography. This smirk may be entirely intentional, and, so may have been turning off the camera in Entry #9.

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 		Holy wow. So it took me a little time to fully absorb the impact of this new find, as I was kind of...distracted this morning/early afternoon, but, yeah. I'm gonna put my money on the Unnamed Camera Dude as TTA. I KNEW he would be vital somehow.

Also, in response to Tetsuyabh, I think it would have been awesome if TTA was some sort of supernatural being, due to his overwhelming strangeness, and I was sticking to that theory like glue, but this one actually seems to have come with a clue attached.

Oye. Looking at it in retrospect, it seems like it should have been so fucking obvious. And yet.

We owe you one, big time, Hawthorne.

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 		See that's the thing here. I think overcomplicating some of the simpleness of totheark's videos are causing some of these things to fall by the wayside. I haven't been a part of many of these things, but it just seems that the answer is there in the video without too much deviation.

I think that each video is saying something about the video it is responding to...

It just seems that it's probably blantently obvious and we're looking for the complicated and glazing over the answer.

Like with signal, there's been a buttload of speculation about it. However, It's pretty much just an invitation. Hey, J. Come back to the house and find me. There's some pretty messed up ish I need to lay on you.

To totally be a hypocrite for two seconds did anyone link the cryptic find me text in signal to Alex's scribblings? Cause Alex totally scribbled Finds Me on those pages.

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MrHawthorne wrote:
See that's the thing here. I think overcomplicating some of the simpleness of totheark's videos are causing some of these things to fall by the wayside. I haven't been a part of many of these things, but it just seems that the answer is there in the video without too much deviation.

I think that each video is saying something about the video it is responding to...

It just seems that it's probably blantently obvious and we're looking for the complicated and glazing over the answer.

Like with signal, there's been a buttload of speculation about it. However, It's pretty much just an invitation. Hey, J. Come back to the house and find me. There's some pretty messed up ish I need to lay on you.

To totally be a hypocrite for two seconds did anyone link the cryptic find me text in signal to Alex's scribblings? Cause Alex totally scribbled Finds Me on those pages.


Of course, I for one have been wondering: why was TTA taping J in Exit? We know that this has to be at the beginning of the MH filming, since J wasn't there for most of the actual filming. Why would TTA be taping him even before SM was even in the picture (literally and figuratively)?

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blue5213 wrote:
MrHawthorne wrote:
See that's the thing here. I think overcomplicating some of the simpleness of totheark's videos are causing some of these things to fall by the wayside. I haven't been a part of many of these things, but it just seems that the answer is there in the video without too much deviation.

I think that each video is saying something about the video it is responding to...

It just seems that it's probably blantently obvious and we're looking for the complicated and glazing over the answer.

Like with signal, there's been a buttload of speculation about it. However, It's pretty much just an invitation. Hey, J. Come back to the house and find me. There's some pretty messed up ish I need to lay on you.

To totally be a hypocrite for two seconds did anyone link the cryptic find me text in signal to Alex's scribblings? Cause Alex totally scribbled Finds Me on those pages.


Of course, I for one have been wondering: why was TTA taping J in Exit? We know that this has to be at the beginning of the MH filming, since J wasn't there for most of the actual filming. Why would TTA be taping him even before SM was even in the picture (literally and figuratively)?

It makes no sense, which is why I am completely unconvinced that totheark is the camera operator. It is very possible that Alex filmed J during Entry 13, and if Alex didn't film J during E13, it makes no sense for totheark to have filmed J three years ago but then have stopped creeping on Alex & J until he decided to start again in the late months.

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 		Re: WHEREIS THECAMERAMAN
tetsuyabh wrote:
I think this theory is extremely plausible. It explains a couple of things that make totheark less omnipotent and more realistic.

First, we know that Alex uses a different camera, his own, to surveille himself at all times. Tim mentions this during Entry #15. A common problem with the "totheark is Alex" theory is that Alex must have been in two places at the same time in order to film J while he retrieved batteries from Alex's car in Exit. This dilemma arises because Alex takes his own camera with him when he encounters Slenderman. But, if a second camera were present during the events of Entry #13, the official Marble Hornets camera, this would explain how J could have been filmed.

Second, totheark somehow has access to Marble Hornets principal photography that has not been posted to the Internet, as can be seen in Advocate. This leaves only two possibilities for totheark's identity: Alex, or the unnamed camera operator for Marble Hornets.

Third, that smirk is creepy. If totheark was aware of Slenderman during the filming of Marble Hornets, he may have been sending hidden messages even as early as principal photography. This smirk may be entirely intentional, and, so may have been turning off the camera in Entry #9.


Anybody can just download the video and edit it o.o I think TTA uses vixy Razz

and I suppose having an unknown person does make a lot more sense as TTA...

We do not know what TTA is doing, and what he she/it is planning so I wouldn't say he couldn't have been the one filming J. It could all be some big elaborate plan.

Maybe he just likes J Very Happy

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 		Quick request. Does anybody have the entry videos that had missing audio matched up with the audio from totheark's videos? Or rather, which videos seem to match up with the audio? I'm having trouble finding them on YouTube, and they'd be a great help to me. Thanks!

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blue5213 wrote:
MrHawthorne wrote:
See that's the thing here. I think overcomplicating some of the simpleness of totheark's videos are causing some of these things to fall by the wayside. I haven't been a part of many of these things, but it just seems that the answer is there in the video without too much deviation.

I think that each video is saying something about the video it is responding to...

It just seems that it's probably blantently obvious and we're looking for the complicated and glazing over the answer.

Like with signal, there's been a buttload of speculation about it. However, It's pretty much just an invitation. Hey, J. Come back to the house and find me. There's some pretty messed up ish I need to lay on you.

To totally be a hypocrite for two seconds did anyone link the cryptic find me text in signal to Alex's scribblings? Cause Alex totally scribbled Finds Me on those pages.


Of course, I for one have been wondering: why was TTA taping J in Exit? We know that this has to be at the beginning of the MH filming, since J wasn't there for most of the actual filming. Why would TTA be taping him even before SM was even in the picture (literally and figuratively)?


could entry 17 have been before exit/13, though?

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blue5213 wrote:
Of course, I for one have been wondering: why was TTA taping J in Exit? We know that this has to be at the beginning of the MH filming, since J wasn't there for most of the actual filming. Why would TTA be taping him even before SM was even in the picture (literally and figuratively)?


Your logic hinges on believing everything J has told us. I think we need to take care in believing J since we now have proof that he's suffering memory loss. His own memory is lying to him, and so transitively he might be lying to us. I think this is why totheark responded to the question of "if J could be trusted" with "human, therefore no".

Also Exit doesn't seem to be really far back in the timeline. Alex got very close to Slender Man in that Entry.
He was a bit erratic and such, and the way he interacted with Slender Man in that entry wasn't confused curiosity like in the earlier encounters (i.e. the park, or Entry 12).

DavFlamerock wrote:
It makes no sense, which is why I am completely unconvinced that totheark is the camera operator. It is very possible that Alex filmed J during Entry 13, and if Alex didn't film J during E13, it makes no sense for totheark to have filmed J three years ago but then have stopped creeping on Alex & J until he decided to start again in the late months.


I've always wanted to believe that Alex was totheark and that he took that video. The blueshoes 8:10 video slightly sheds some light on the distance between where Alex was in Entry 13 and where J was in Exit, making it plausible that Alex could have taken that footage

I still think the Camera Operator is the most likely candidate.

That being said, I just realized something. Maybe it's my own head doing dumb things again.

If, hypothetically, Entry 13 is a location scouting video. Before any big stuff went down.
Then the Operator Symbol (Ellipse with the X through it) that Alex found is intriguing.
I'm pretty sure from the way Alex interacted with it, he didn't draw it.
So there's a third party aspect, maybe totheark. This gives me another overcomplicated theory on totheark...but I rather keep it simple for the time being.

Also I realize that I don't remember how that symbol got the name Operator assigned to it. Maybe somebody could enlighten me.
Anyways, I matched up the Operator video sound to the last 22 seconds of that video and it seems to fit.
Maybe its just me hammering a puzzle piece into the wrong place but its worth others taking a look.

Start the operator video when Entry 13 gets to 1:06. Am I wrong?

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 		Just out of curiosity are JAF and MH connected in any other way aside from the Slender Man? The main reason I ask is because of one of the entries in JAF called KEY.
Logan mentions a locked door and that you need to find a key. It's posted on the same day as entry 17 was.

Is the house in entry 17 the house J searched in entry 16? Considering J said he was thinking of going back to that house and there was a locked door maybe Logan is trying to tell J something. Could Logan also be totheark?

or could my mind be playing tricks?

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MrHawthorne wrote:


Your logic hinges on believing everything J has told us. I think we need to take care in believing J since we now have proof that he's suffering memory loss. His own memory is lying to him, and so transitively he might be lying to us. I think this is why totheark responded to the question of "if J could be trusted" with "human, therefore no".

if'n ye want my opinion, i think the stuff he can remember, he's tellin the truth, only the one he doesn't remember could be anythin..
MrHawthorne wrote:


Also Exit doesn't seem to be really far back in the timeline. Alex got very close to Slender Man in that Entry.
He was a bit erratic and such, and the way he interacted with Slender Man in that entry wasn't confused curiosity like in the earlier encounters (i.e. the park, or Entry 12).

gotta say, that seems right

MrHawthorne wrote:



Also I realize that I don't remember how that symbol got the name Operator assigned to it. Maybe somebody could enlighten me.
Anyways, I matched up the Operator video sound to the last 22 seconds of that video and it seems to fit.
Maybe its just me hammering a puzzle piece into the wrong place but its worth others taking a look.

earlier video, not sure which[EDIT: entry 8]

alex is drawing crazy on notes, maybe the one J found, maybe not
either way, the Ox symbol is there, with operator written under it...

i think ye can also see it on the wall in the entry that's several clips in one[
3?]

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