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Chief Poirot
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 		I'm almost banking on TTA having to be someone already involved in the story. The old adage "if it's in the play, it has to be used" (or something like that) comes to mind. We've got Brian, Tim, Sarah, and Camera Guy to work with. TTA could be someone completely unrelated, but I feel it's almost too late into the story to make TTA a completely new character.

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zygotesix
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Chief Poirot wrote:
I'm almost banking on TTA having to be someone already involved in the story. The old adage "if it's in the play, it has to be used" (or something like that) comes to mind. We've got Brian, Tim, Sarah, and Camera Guy to work with. TTA could be someone completely unrelated, but I feel it's almost too late into the story to make TTA a completely new character.


I think you're referring to Chekov's Gun. It's a valid theory most of the time, but there's nothing that guarantees the guy(s) behind MH will stick to popular literary devices in the unfolding of their narrative.

[META]One thing I WILL say is that, considering this appears to be a small-scale, lower budget production (not trying to insult the quality of the project - I think it's amazing for what it is) put together by a group of younger people (I'm guessing they're slightly younger than I am - 18 to 24 age range, but its hard to say for certain), they'll more than likely use every resource they have available to them as thoroughly as possible. Hence, what appears to be the serial usage of Alex's house (in his videos and when J tracks down his lead), etc. This leads me to believe that they'll be more likely to re-use the actors already involved, if only for a matter of convenience - they already have the people tapped for the project, it would be easier to cast them into several roles, especially faceless or masked or anonymous roles, than to try to expand the production by bringing in more people. Even if they have a larger pool of friends to use for actors, its easier to stick with the core group that already knows the premise, story and background. Also, I'd go out on a limb and assume they're not getting paid for their work - bringing in new people means finding more people to work for free, its easier to recycle the "actors" you already have.[/META] ... [/SOAPBOX] Razz
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Chief Poirot
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 		That's what I was thinking of, Chekov's Gun. And you have a very good point. Logistics-wise, it's easier to keep using the same people than bring in a new one. So, say that the actor that played the Camera Guy (just using him as he's a minor role so far and fairly popular here) also played EFG. Would that mean that EFG and Camera Guy are the same people in Marble Hornets, or just played by a reused actor, as like you said, it's easier to cast same people for multiple rolls. (Especially if one of their roles is minor.)

So, tl;dr: If an actor possibly plays two roles here, does that lend credence to those two characters being the same within the ARG?

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Kilo
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Chief Poirot wrote:
That's what I was thinking of, Chekov's Gun. And you have a very good point. Logistics-wise, it's easier to keep using the same people than bring in a new one. So, say that the actor that played the Camera Guy (just using him as he's a minor role so far and fairly popular here) also played EFG. Would that mean that EFG and Camera Guy are the same people in Marble Hornets, or just played by a reused actor, as like you said, it's easier to cast same people for multiple rolls. (Especially if one of their roles is minor.)

So, tl;dr: If an actor possibly plays two roles here, does that lend credence to those two characters being the same within the ARG?


I don't know how familiar you are with plays, but in Becket's Waiting for Godot, a boy shows up in both scenes, and he is supposed to be a different boy each time, but in the original production, the same boy was used.

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 		Visual/Audio distortion
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Guys, a thought has enetered my head after watching entry 18.

We know that A lot of Alex's (and now J's) tapes have been affected by Distortion. This distortion has either been in the audio or visual tracks of the entries.

Have both forms of distortion ever taken place at the same time? For example a visual tear accompanied by audio distortion?

I'm starting to wonder whether or not the audio and visual effects are not caused by the same source. This could give us a clue to TTA(and presumably Kabuki-man's) identity.

I'm owndering if, for instance, the visual distortions are caused by Slendermans presence and the audio distortions occurr in the presence of TTA. When both are in the same entry, both occurr. Does this sound feasible to anyone?

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chaos
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 		i get the feeling it'll end with entry 20..

speculation, of course, but my specs. are normally accurate
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Kilo
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 		Re: Visual/Audio distortion
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Deltasound wrote:
Guys, a thought has enetered my head after watching entry 18.

We know that A lot of Alex's (and now J's) tapes have been affected by Distortion. This distortion has either been in the audio or visual tracks of the entries.

Have both forms of distortion ever taken place at the same time? For example a visual tear accompanied by audio distortion?

I'm starting to wonder whether or not the audio and visual effects are not caused by the same source. This could give us a clue to TTA(and presumably Kabuki-man's) identity.

I'm owndering if, for instance, the visual distortions are caused by Slendermans presence and the audio distortions occurr in the presence of TTA. When both are in the same entry, both occurr. Does this sound feasible to anyone?


Well, entry 5 was the first one with straight up audio distortion, and I don't think we have anything from from TTA on entry 5. And, while it's not technically distortion, the audio has been shown to cut out around Slenderman. 1/4/6/10/13/14. And I don't think 16 ever had distortion, even though TTA was right there.

It's a good thought, though, and brings up interesting parallels, such as TTA's obsession with the audio and how SM seems to have no eyes.

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 		Do you know, why making entries takes so long? Because MH creators are reading things here that they should not film.

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 		Re: Visual/Audio distortion
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Kilo wrote:
Deltasound wrote:
Guys, a thought has enetered my head after watching entry 18.

We know that A lot of Alex's (and now J's) tapes have been affected by Distortion. This distortion has either been in the audio or visual tracks of the entries.

Have both forms of distortion ever taken place at the same time? For example a visual tear accompanied by audio distortion?

I'm starting to wonder whether or not the audio and visual effects are not caused by the same source. This could give us a clue to TTA(and presumably Kabuki-man's) identity.

I'm owndering if, for instance, the visual distortions are caused by Slendermans presence and the audio distortions occurr in the presence of TTA. When both are in the same entry, both occurr. Does this sound feasible to anyone?


Well, entry 5 was the first one with straight up audio distortion, and I don't think we have anything from from TTA on entry 5. And, while it's not technically distortion, the audio has been shown to cut out around Slenderman. 1/4/6/10/13/14. And I don't think 16 ever had distortion, even though TTA was right there.

It's a good thought, though, and brings up interesting parallels, such as TTA's obsession with the audio and how SM seems to have no eyes.


Yeah, there's not enough consistency in the actual distortion events to speculate about whether this is the case. We don't have any audio at all from 1 and so we don't know whether it was sound before it was removed...

We now know the J's narration of events is unreliable, he's having frequent blackouts and has been having them since the orginal period of MH filming and, as such, we're never going to get the full story out of him.

To The Ark appears to be solely concerned with J and his investigation of events and does not appear to be greatly concerned with contacting anyone other than J bar a few cryptic youtube messages...

Alex is how this thing started and I honestly can't see us gettng a better picture of what happened then and how it's affecting events now until he comes back into the picture (assuming, that is, that he hasn't already)

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 		about J- i think that, when he talks about the parts that he DOES remember, he's reliable

and no evidence of blackouts between alex leaving and him finding the tapes

theory, though:

when he blacks out, he IS slenderman
EDIT: and J normally doesn't know it, alex found out, left town, e.t.c.
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 		Well, who was filming J in Exit? Was Alex encountering SM during that same moment or did that happen later that day. I wouldn't be surprised if TTA was working in cahoots with Alex to eliminate J as a suspect SM. Who knows

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chaos
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 		maybe that was Alex following J when he un-black-outed
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Chief Poirot
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Kilo wrote:
Chief Poirot wrote:
That's what I was thinking of, Chekov's Gun. And you have a very good point. Logistics-wise, it's easier to keep using the same people than bring in a new one. So, say that the actor that played the Camera Guy (just using him as he's a minor role so far and fairly popular here) also played EFG. Would that mean that EFG and Camera Guy are the same people in Marble Hornets, or just played by a reused actor, as like you said, it's easier to cast same people for multiple rolls. (Especially if one of their roles is minor.)

So, tl;dr: If an actor possibly plays two roles here, does that lend credence to those two characters being the same within the ARG?


I don't know how familiar you are with plays, but in Becket's Waiting for Godot, a boy shows up in both scenes, and he is supposed to be a different boy each time, but in the original production, the same boy was used.


Good point Kilo. I was just using some baseless speculation there.

I agree that J can be fairly reliable with his account. It's just when he has a blackout (which only seems to be recently), and that one time in Entry 17 that Slendy was outside the window.

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 		Slenderman is not Alex or J. Rolling Eyes

There's no evidence for it in the actual videos or any of the clues, and he can't turn into a human in any of the stories. The entire POINT is that Slendy looks human from afar, but really isn't.

Plus, Slendy often messes with peoples heads. It's more likely he's doing THAT and that is why J is losing memory.

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zygotesix
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Chief Poirot wrote:
It's just when he has a blackout (which only seems to be recently), and that one time in Entry 17 that Slendy was outside the window.


Lets throw some basic logic into the mix - if smoke, then fire, etc.

J blacks out in this last entry. J admits to having no memory whatsoever of the filming he was a part of in entry 17. You might think that two blackouts or memory loss episodes aren't a big deal.

But how many other times has J completely lost his memory of some event, that we don't know about because HE doesn't know about them? He only tells us he can't remember entry 17 because he realizes when he watches it that he can't remember being there that day. Without similar video or situations like entry 18 to jog his memory, we have no way of knowing how often he loses memories of situations like this. For all we know, he's got no memory of 12 hours of each day. He could be losing large chunks of time and not even know it.

This definitely should be taken into account when people are discussing his viability as a trustworthy narrator. All we know is that he's lost his memory of two situations that we have experienced first hand, with no logical reason for him to lose said memories - no head trauma, no drug use (that we know of), etc. So we HAVE to assume there are other episodes of memory loss that we just don't know about, and treat him accordingly.

Just my two cents.
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