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Mauritius
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kenato wrote:
Omega_Absolute wrote:
kenato wrote:
Omega_Absolute wrote:
J already stated in the SA forums that Masky ATTACKED him, and pushed him back. He wasn't pulled off by another player.

If that's not SM in the pics, what is it?


I see something slightly round, and it only last for litterally 1 frame. It seems most probable to me that it's part of J's shirt or coat or whatever he's wearing.


Screencap posted earlier in the topic:




You can see the outline of the forehead and nose. It's hard to see because the pic is too small. The full size version of it is back on page 5... You can see it pretty well there.


You really think they put that single, precise frame in on purpose to lean us towards SM?
It's just way to vague to be what your saying it is.

The frame is taken when he is allegedly "pulled off masky".
The Trailerhead already establishes that Masky pushed him off with surprising force.
Pretty sure J would know if he's being pulled or not.

In my opinion, the third party theory is almost completely out. The only time a third person could have intervened was when J fell down and banged his head, and according to him, everything went fuzzy, or near the very end, when the camera goes out.

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Sylvine
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Grizzlechips wrote:

There are more important things to discuss than SINGLE frames of a blurry someone something MIGHT be. Just sayin'.


Like what? x)

Kenato wrote:

and if he IS in Entry 18 pulling J back, it'd make sense that we only see him for a frame or two because the camera is flailing around so much.


But he isn't pulling J back. J clearly stated that there wasn't anyone else there that he noticed. While You can still theorise whether there was someone there he didn't notice (the same way like, say, TTA in entry 16?), it's plausible to assume that being dragged away is noticable Razz

If You want a third party, there are still some possibilities. Like the short timeframe between the attack and the seizure of EFG (J says he can't remember the details there, 'cause he hit his head and everything went blurry for a while), or the crashing sound and sudden dart at the end of the entry. Edit: Or: Pretty much what Mauritius said x)

Hm. Then again, watching the video again, EFG did have enough time to get up and tackle J from behind at that point. At least 5 seconds pass from when we see EFG attempt to get up and the end of the vid. That's enough time if You're determined.

~Sylv

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:39 am
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Mauritius
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Hm. Then again, watching the video again, EFG did have enough time to get up and tackle J from behind at that point. At least 5 seconds pass from when we see EFG attempt to get up and the end of the vid. That's enough time if You're determined.


Keeping in mind EFG just had a seizure. Razz

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Two2teps
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Omega_Absolute wrote:
kenato wrote:
and come to think of it, the white thing on the left looks like a clenched fist holding a knife, possibly. maybe that's where J's knife went.

the knife thing is definitely a stretch but the clenched fist (wearing a white glove) isn't as much of a stretch...


Thats J's leg...
We know that J is holding the camera in his right hand, as you can see multiple times he hold the flashlight in his left.
When a person falls, the bring their arms up to their head to reduce trauma. Based on that fact, J's right hand (and camera) would be near his head.

A reference I made:



I got the angle as best I could, but, I'm not wearing J's shirt so its not 100% accurate, only 99%.


You've recreated it perfectly, the "shape of the head" is the edge of the round flashlight beam on the light colored walls. The triangle of the white of his shirt is the white of the corner of the wall and the floor.

Grizzlechips wrote:

Take the footage for what it is (Occam's Razor):
    *Masky attacks J
    *Struggle
    *Seizure
    *J checks body for signs of life/identity
    *Masky revives and startles J
    *J ditches, falls in the process
    *Masky struggles to get up (possibly gets up)
    *J runs and is tackled/falls and blacks out



Exactly, that's the list per J's description of what happened, his memory didn't fail him until after he left the house. His memory loss of the events AFTER this made him question his sanity until he seen the tape. He recalls the events of the tape, just not anything after it went off. If anything SM would have been outside waiting to give J a big memory wiping hug.

The one thing thing this video does show is that J remembers what was filmed but not what wasn't. Perhaps that's why Alex took to filming himself constantly, a way to retard the massive memory loss he was experiencing or at least fill in the blanks when it finally over came him.

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Aindrķu
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 		So last time J went to the house he took a bottle of pills, right?

Then when he goes back this time he's attacked and his attacker end up on the floor in what looks like a seizure.

Maybe the pills were his? We never did find out what the pills actually were, did we?

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Didz
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 		So, I'm now thinking Masky is Brian......mainly because of the build of the guy AND that at the beginning of entry 16 J mentioned that he's recieved an anonymous tip about Brian...........however that could have just been a lie in order to get him to the house.

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gonzaw
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b.sciens wrote:
I know this isn't relevant, but it's one of my hobbies to to reconstruct scene geography from obscure visual references.


I made another map in page 14, it may help in trying to understand the layout (although I didn't see any overturned chair, only couches)...

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Zukuss
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 		Does anyone else see a connection between the camera being off and the memory loss?
What I see is that J lost memory right after the camera was turned off, and turned it back on as soon as he woke up. This sounds a lot like Alex and his constant taping of himself.
Possibly J is already in that mode, and when he forgets about the camera, he blacks out (like he has mentioned in his Twitter). Maybe J is farther down the rabbit hole than he's letting on?

Of course, this is somewhat contradicted by his memory loss about Entry #17, so this whole idea could be total bunk.

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kevrock
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 		Few thoughts/observations:

With regards to the couch that the masked dude sits on, it was upright the whole time. It can clearly be seen upright at 1:05-1:07 when J turns back to see the blinds swinging.

Regarding the doll; it was laid very carefully in the corner aligned w/ the bottom of the door. If someone was laying a classic trap, you'd think the doll would be in a more prominent position. J could have easily walked past the doll if he hadn't shined his light on it.

So I have an alternate scenario to propose:

What if the doll had been placed there for SM? What if it was an offering?

So suppose you are this crazy dude who's obsessed w/ SM. You are living in an abandoned house, high on meds, and you leave an offering to your patron then you sit on the couch opposite of the offering waiting for his appearance.

J comes in the middle of the night and picks up your gift to SM. What do you think this means? Do you think J is SM claiming your offering? Do you think J is stealing your offering to SM?

Imagine video 18 from the masked dude's POV. You have no light source, you're wacked out, and J's starring at you from across the house w/ this bright camera light in your eyes calling you by someone else's name. Its no surprised J was attacked.

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Sylvine
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 		Except that he wasn't in the room when J went through it =/

~Sylv

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DevilAsh
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 		I've looked at the clip a few times, and I've noticed something odd when J gets thrown across the room.

At first, it just looks like it could be shadows created from the torch shining on Maskguy, but they move about and disappear in the space of a few seconds. It happens from 2:31 - 2:34ish. I took two screenshots to show you, but they're pretty blurred.

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xxkiriyamaxx
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kevrock wrote:
It can clearly be seen upright at 1:05-1:07 when J turns back to see the blinds swinging.


As far as I remember, J starts off by screaming Alex name and asking if someone's there. Why did Masky didn't raise up at that point or hide if he heard someone's coming?

Although, gotta tell you, I'm not buying any of this: Maybe then the doll was not for SM but for J, in order to make J the prey for Slenderman.

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kevrock
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Sylvine wrote:
Except that he wasn't in the room when J went through it =/


J not seeing him isn't the same as him not being there. He could have been hiding or he could have come in behind him (thus the moving blinds at 1:07).

Again, think about it from the masked dude's POV:

You are alone in your decrepit house, anxiously awaiting SM to collect your offering (no less than an effigy of SM). You hear banging at the front door, and hoping its SM, you hide as to not scare him off. You hear him come in the back, you hide, you hear him go to your doll, you come out and sit in anticipation, then when it turns you hear J say "Alex" then you attack in rage and the stress drives you to have a seizure.

So SM stalks around Alex's house in the middle of the night. J is now stalking around someone else's house in the middle of the night. Coincidence?

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Sylvine
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 		[quote="kevrock"]
Sylvine wrote:

Again, think about it from the masked dude's POV:

You are alone in your decrepit house, anxiously awaiting SM to collect your offering (no less than an effigy of SM). You hear banging at the front door, and hoping its SM, you hide as to not scare him off. You hear him come in the back, you hide, you hear him ask "Alex?" in a loud voice, followed by "Who's here?", then go to your doll, you come out and sit in anticipation, then when it turns you hear J say "Alex" then you attack in rage and the stress drives you to have a seizure.

So SM stalks around Alex's house in the middle of the night. J is now stalking around someone else's house in the middle of the night. Coincidence?


Fixed Razz

But yeah, weird coincidence.

~Sylv

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Tyran
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 		"Some understandable confusion going on about #18, I'll try and set a few things straight if memory serves (which I can't help but think is a gamble at this point).

-Whoever was in the mask attacked me. He pushed me against the door that was locked behind me and pulled me down on the floor. I don't remember much of what he did after that, I was in a daze because I hit my head on the floor.

-After he had what looked like some kind of seizure, I tried to take his mask off. He pushed me off surprisingly hard which I'm guessing made me stumble backwards and fall.

-The knife I had with me was still in my pocket when I headed for the back door. Then it wasn't when I woke up in my car.

I'm still feeling very sore from it all. My head is killing me."

Posted by J under his Something Awful account, "ce gars"

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3207172&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=49

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