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Wuzza
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Did anyone else notice that MH even caught Roger Ebert's attention?

"Marble Hornets." An abandoned film reconstructed

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ToLazy
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I have no idea where you people got the idea of the slenderman controlling people. There is no substanial proof of this.

If you look at Slenderman's actions he's a stalker, a watcher. He doesn't interact. Sure he's really creepy, but he's hasn't been violent yet.

His "powers" can only be attributed to a few things, sickness, the video/audio distortion, and memory loss. All of these "powers" points towards hiding his identity. People are persuaded to stop looking after they come to a point where they've had enough of the paranoia and adverse effects to their health (Alex).

Also I think Alex really did just give up and fled to a state of ignorance in another place. I doubt he'd voluntarily show up out of the blue unless he was dragged in by J. Hence why he wanted to burn the tapes. So that he'd no longer have a reminder to pique his interest and cause the memories to return.

totheark could be alex, who stumbled over the entries and started to regain his memories, but I doubt it.
It seems more likely that totheark's investigation into the Slenderman predates Alex.
Alex found the Operator symbol in Entry 13 and integrated that into his drawings when he drew them.
Whoever drew that symbol is linked to Slenderman in one way or another. I'm thinking that's totheark.

Also, Its possible that all this stuff ended when Alex gave the tapes away to J.
That all this started again after three years because J brought it out from the dark.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:25 am
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ToLazy...
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Why did totheark say Find Me at the end of his last video?

Why not just stop with come back?

If this was all an ambush, why the find me?

Possibly EFG wants to silence totheark? Maybe EFG did something, and wants to keep it under wraps. Since J and totheark are doing all this public jazz EFG wanted to put a stop to it.

Hence the ambush and the attack and such?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:40 am
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Slinkypants
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ToLazy wrote:
I have no idea where you people got the idea of the slenderman controlling people. There is no substanial proof of this.

If you look at Slenderman's actions he's a stalker, a watcher. He doesn't interact. Sure he's really creepy, but he's hasn't been violent yet.

His "powers" can only be attributed to a few things, sickness, the video/audio distortion, and memory loss. All of these "powers" points towards hiding his identity. People are persuaded to stop looking after they come to a point where they've had enough of the paranoia and adverse effects to their health (Alex).


In the original Slender Man myths, as created on SA, he was known for controlling or manipulating people into doing things such as murdering their family. J has an account there and always posts in-character. It's a possibilty that he discarded that feature of SM's powers while thinking up the MH plot, but we don't know he did, so it's fair to speculate on it.

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Two2teps
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ToLazy wrote:
I have no idea where you people got the idea of the slenderman controlling people. There is no substantial proof of this.


While I am against the Mind Control Theory that a lot like I can see the rational behind it. Basically there are a lot of people who started acting very weird outside of their own personal norms. To me that implies a slowly building insanity due to the weird, alien nature of the events they're experiencing, but to others they're drawing a direct connection to a conscious control from SM.

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Sirdangolot5
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Code:
Aku ще забіць εσύ

Gjøre ne olhar za คุณ


Code:
Bħal hinn месечина sobe tako griba aš

और tarafından dagbreek ty ay magiging dø


Code:
Ek vidět njemu और viņš makita mig

Marwolaeth бути ускоро για dia


Code:
찾기 hom shpejt або оставям li biti

Být tagasi por pusdienlaiks 브라이언


A Facepunch user claims to have been sent these messages by Totheark.

Each word is in a different language.

Here are some translations posted by other FP users, let's see if we can do better:

Code:
I will kill you

Do not look behind you.


Code:
As the moon rises, so do I

And by dawn you die


Code:
"I see him and he see me.

Death be soon for he."


GET TO FUCKING WORK

These were sent prior to Entry 18

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HardCore
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"Find hom(=him/groove/home?) soon or leave it be

Brian being back by lunchtime"

That's what I can make of from the last two lines.

Note: Brian could be the writers signature. Google translator insisted Brian to be the first word of the line but in the original text, it was the last word.

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blue5213
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ToLazy wrote:
I have no idea where you people got the idea of the slenderman controlling people. There is no substanial proof of this.


Yes, because we have some other explanation for why Masky had a seizure for no apparent reason. Also, SM has totally not been shown to be capable of wiping memories and that distortion around Tim's head in #17 totally had nothing to do with Slendy.

Come on. We have very solid evidence Slender Man can mess with people's heads, and Masky didn't exactly seem sane. The Slender Man doll in front of the door and the superhuman strength Masky apparently had supports the theory that SM is doing something to the guy.

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tetsuyabh
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blue5213 wrote:
Come on. We have very solid evidence Slender Man can mess with people's heads.


No, we don't. If you really think there is solid evidence, please, supply it. And please, no speculation.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:47 am
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Didz
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I don't think SM is a mind controller. I think that the whole "mind control" thing is just insanity from being pursued by SM. If your being stalked it is likely to have some level of a psychological effect on you. I think the characters involved with SM's fear and inability to avoid SM anywhere he went is the main reason they went insane. Unless J states that SM does have some degree of mind control I think we should stop thinking that way. He may, however, have an effect on a persons health. That has been speculated and becomes more and more prominent during MH, first Alex possibly losing his memory of events and taking to recording himself constantly and now J feeling ill and losing his memory too.

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Two2teps
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blue5213 wrote:

Yes, because we have some other explanation for why Masky had a seizure for no apparent reason.


Maybe some guy broke into the house he was staying at and swiped his seizure meds.

blue5213 wrote:
Also, SM has totally not been shown to be capable of wiping memories and that distortion around Tim's head in #17 totally had nothing to do with Slendy.


Speculation we're assuming SM is the cause of the memory loss, and there is nothing linking him to the video distortion around Tim's head in #17 other then more speculation.

blue5213 wrote:

Come on. We have very solid evidence Slender Man can mess with people's heads, and Masky didn't exactly seem sane. The Slender Man doll in front of the door and the superhuman strength Masky apparently had supports the theory that SM is doing something to the guy.


We definitely have evidence of weird behaviors linked with Slender Man but that's about it. To say that Mask had super human strength is absurd there is no basis for that. He didn't rip a door off its hinges, or through J dozens of feet through the air, he tackled an average sized guy with a running start.

I don't doubt that SM is influencing the people in MH but we can't just say its mind control without knowing more. Personally I'm more on the boat with exactly what Didz said:

Didz wrote:
I don't think SM is a mind controller. I think that the whole "mind control" thing is just insanity from being pursued by SM. If your being stalked it is likely to have some level of a psychological effect on you. I think the characters involved with SM's fear and inability to avoid SM anywhere he went is the main reason they went insane. Unless J states that SM does have some degree of mind control I think we should stop thinking that way. He may, however, have an effect on a persons health. That has been speculated and becomes more and more prominent during MH, first Alex possibly losing his memory of events and taking to recording himself constantly and now J feeling ill and losing his memory too.


Exactly, you have this paranormal/supernatural "being" that's stalking you for god knows what reason. That'd stress me out pretty bad, even to the breaking point.

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oooh I do feel clever Very Happy lol.

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Re: J's Memory, Time Lapse and Mask Man Ambush

dpt wrote:
(I am on a Wii so I am not going to quote anything but this is a reply to Sweethat any his counter point)
- Memory after tape shut off
I believe that after the tape shuts off that is when SM is encountered. You said yourself can't find a reason for the seizure other then SM, so we are to assume that SM is there. Also, J has been experiencing blackouts in the past so this isn't an isolated incident.

It's definitely possible - after all, memory loss and distortion are both associated with SM, and both appeared in this entry, so there's a strong suggestion that SM was around.
On the other hand, we really don't know what happened after the camera is turned off. For all we know, J could have just dropped his knife on the way to his car and driven off at top speed without it. I can't help but think that J hasn't yet come into direct contact with SM.
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"Time-lapse couch"
Ok, I will start off by saying that after watching it I first notice a distortion at the doll part, which was mentioned earlier by Sylvine. With these i theorize that this is when SM man does something. Remember the couch that was flipped over looked like a regular three cushion couch (it seemed like one to me) and EFG (love this name btw) seems to be sitting on the same one. I can only assume this but if someone contact J to clear this up as to if there was another couch in the room.

I just went back and rewatched #18. Watch from around 1:05 - you can clearly see an upright couch, and it looks to have a window behind it. Which means, EFG could well have just climbed through the window, rather than being hidden inside all along.
dpt wrote:

SM "Elaborate Plan"
I don't think I was clear about my theory; I simply mean SM implanted an idea into EFG's mind (Sorta like Manchurine Canidate?). EFG simple did what he thought he needed to do. (That is the best way i can explain it now *got stoned* |D )

But then that would suggest that SM doesn't have complete control over EFG - which could mean that he is, at least partially, acting of his own free will.

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Some other general points to consider:

-Brian and Tim have both appeared onscreen with SM, but Brian and Tim are never seen together. Could just be coincidence, but it seems like whenever one of them is missing, it's explicitly pointed out.
-If (like me) you think that EFG's attack was planned out beforehand, then this means EFG had time to set up his plan (the doll, his hiding place) in advance. This would suggest that either the house is uninhabited, EFG removed the inhabitant(s), or EFG IS the inhabitant.

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blue5213
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Two2teps wrote:
blue5213 wrote:

Yes, because we have some other explanation for why Masky had a seizure for no apparent reason.


Maybe some guy broke into the house he was staying at and swiped his seizure meds.


So saying that SM causes memory loss is speculative and unfounded, but we're just to assume that the unmarked pills J took were Masky's seizure meds.

By far the most logical explanation for what happened to Masky there was that something affected his brain. I really doubt Masky would tackle J, apparently let go, have a seizure, and then just lie there for no reason.

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Also, SM has totally not been shown to be capable of wiping memories and that distortion around Tim's head in #17 totally had nothing to do with Slendy.


Speculation we're assuming SM is the cause of the memory loss, and there is nothing linking him to the video distortion around Tim's head in #17 other then more speculation.


So what, J hit his head and completely forgot hanging out with Tim and Alex? Alex was just taping himself constantly for shits and giggles? The SM presence/encounter = memory loss theory makes too much sense for it to be some random coincidence. You don't see that weird head shadow distortion anywhere else, do you? It's not even consistent with the rest of Tim's shadow in the same video; it rather specifically affects his head, and his body language supports the idea that something is bothering his head (rubbing it, looking tired/in pain, etc.). It's not speculation, it's putting two and two together and getting four.

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Come on. We have very solid evidence Slender Man can mess with people's heads, and Masky didn't exactly seem sane. The Slender Man doll in front of the door and the superhuman strength Masky apparently had supports the theory that SM is doing something to the guy.


We definitely have evidence of weird behaviors linked with Slender Man but that's about it.


Weird behaviors like constant videotaping of oneself, putting masks on oneself, attacking people who haven't made any threatening moves towards you, memory loss, and irritable behavior are not things that should be easily written off.

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To say that Mask had super human strength is absurd there is no basis for that. He didn't rip a door off its hinges, or through J dozens of feet through the air, he tackled an average sized guy with a running start.


I'm guessing you missed the part where Masky kicked J, from a prone position, down a hallway. Go ahead and try it yourself. Lie down on the floor, have someone stand over, and kick them to see how far they go. You'll be lucky to put them on their butt two feet away, much less the 8+ feet J flies.

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Exactly, you have this paranormal/supernatural "being" that's stalking you for god knows what reason. That'd stress me out pretty bad, even to the breaking point.


To the point where you're making a mask, a voodoo doll-ish thing, and attacking people who come into your (apparently abandoned) home? There's no doubt that Masky is messed up in the head, but there's a limit to what stress can do. Especially when that person apparently can't recall the stressful events unless they record them somehow.

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blue5213 wrote:
but we're just to assume that the unmarked pills J took were Masky's seizure meds.


Speaking of the pills. I could swear someone (TNC? Was that you?) said they got correspondence from J saying that he was going to detail stuff about the pills in an entry. So as long as J hasn't forgotten he said he'd do this ( Confused ), we will probably get an answer about what & who they're for. Eventually.
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