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fruits_basket · Boot Joined: 29 Sep 2009 Posts: 22

Saw the new locked thread on the forums. Looks like the next puzzle is here!

But yeah, no idea where to start...

Not an anagram, as far as we know.

Nothing new on the sect news network...

Edit: "Everything has an origin." Another way to phrase that is everything has a "beginning".

I really wish Siegfried had given us a clue last time. These words mean nothing to me. I got Llama out of it if it's an anagram... lol. Doubt that means anything.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:32 am

mjm4gx · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2008 Posts: 141

Could they mean "word origins"? perhaps we should look up word origins for words like "moon" "wolf" etc.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:05 am

fruits_basket · Boot Joined: 29 Sep 2009 Posts: 22

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:09 am

mjm4gx · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2008 Posts: 141

We should also look into substitution ciphers. If it is, there aren't many 6 letter words with 3 identical letters.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:21 am

Pretzel · Decorated Joined: 25 Sep 2009 Posts: 298

For "wolf": Wolf's origin is Old Norse and Germanic, and its use, German, Hebrew, Yiddish, and English. Old Norse and Germanic origin, English, German, and Hebrew use: Derived from the element wulf which is of the meaning 'wolf'.

For "moon": Moon is a Germanic word, related to the Latin mensis (month). It is ultimately a derivative of the Proto-Indo-European root me-, also represented in measure (time), with reminders of its importance in measuring time in words derived from it like Monday, month and menstrual.

(meanings taken from various sites)

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:44 am

Pretzel · Decorated Joined: 25 Sep 2009 Posts: 298

I took a look at thesectishere.com (the offical Sect website thingy), but didn't find anything new. After all, that's where the ARG began, wasn't it?

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:27 am

mjm4gx · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2008 Posts: 141

Origin might also refer to the first episode of Riese. I'll take another look tomorrow.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:54 am

Pretzel · Decorated Joined: 25 Sep 2009 Posts: 298

Hmm. They did say to turn up the sound/ wear headphones to get the "full" experience, but I didn't catch anything the first few times around. Maybe there was something and I missed it.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:06 am

mjm4gx · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2008 Posts: 141

Just posting this to let people know I tried it:

If you apply "origin" to "bolkel olamaa" as you would in a Vigen�re cipher, then you get:

pftqmy ccisin

That is, if I did it right. Here's the link to that cipher:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigen%C3%A8re_cipher

My theory was that the word "origin" is a keyword to decipher "bolkel olamaa"
Anyone know any other relevant ciphers that use keywords? I felt really good about Vigen�re, because "origin" and the other words all have 6 letters, but it looks like it didn't work.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:38 am

Pretzel · Decorated Joined: 25 Sep 2009 Posts: 298

Well, There's always the Playfair cipher, but that's normally seen like this:

ly ki we rm, etc.,

with the keyword allowing you to decipher it. However, since that's not how the words are set up, I'm not sure.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:53 am

mjm4gx · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2008 Posts: 141

Can't be playfair. No double letter pairs in that cipher.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:18 pm

Maurice · Boot Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Calgary, AB

I've been trying to work through caeser and vigenere ciphers, but, not sure on the keyword...

I think it would be deeper then the origin of the game, or show, as this is 'ingame' it'd likely to be story related.

As the sect is a religion, do you think this refers to creation, or god? (Sonne - Ritter, this is contrary to siegfried's beliefs however), or another creation/god from the old religions?

Or is it siegfried's personal orgin?

Thoughts?

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:19 pm

mjm4gx · Veteran Joined: 06 Aug 2008 Posts: 141

Well, Lune is the spirit of the Moon IG.

Using vigenere, if you apply "Lune" (11,20,13,4), then Bolkel becomes miyopf.

No dice. Maybe it's not a code thing at all. It could be another language.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:52 pm

fruits_basket · Boot Joined: 29 Sep 2009 Posts: 22

I like that it's not easy to solve... but my brain hurts from trying to think of where to start... funny, that "beginning/origin" is the clue.

Ive tried some of these words with thisisnotthepath.com/ but no results.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:46 pm

fruits_basket · Boot Joined: 29 Sep 2009 Posts: 22

SEIGFRIED'S ON THE FORUM

Maybe he'll leave us a clue!!!

Edit: and he's gone... like a ghost, leaving no imprints, as far as I can see. I left him a message on his profile, maybe he'll respond.

**Posted:** Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:07 pm