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[SPEC] Meaning of the New Clips From the recipe3 Page
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Danzilla76
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kalamazoo wrote:
Higher and GOM may be played by the same voice actor (to save costs, probably), but they are NOT the same character as many have [SPEC]'d.


I'm not trying to rain on your parade here, but we've been given very good quality in these recordings. The actors have all been very good, and a lot of money has gone into this game. There's no reason that the PM's would have the same actor play different roles, especially in the same storyline.
I didn't see the voices being similar when I heard the clips the first time, but definitely do now. Especially 'hello' when he says "Hello" twice and doesn't sound right the first time. As if he is "putting on" the GOM voice.
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mayday wrote:

3) Potentially the most important: Why are these four axons and, therefore, this story a secret? Melissa made the axons, but didn't advertise them to us. That suggests to me that she wanted them heard, but not by us (her crew). We only got to hear them because SP found a way to eavesdrop. So why were they secret? Who were they intended for?


I agree. I think this may be the most important. This secrecy may also hold the key to our understanding of Durga and Melissa. Need a better understanding or interpretation of the SP's comments.
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 		I still believe that the old man's voice is 'put on' by the guy with the deeper voice, but there's something odd...

The whole support call is stereo panned centre, as is the deep voice. Interestingly, the door knock is also panned centre, while the high voiced guy is panned right. This points to the fact that the deep voice guy is wandering around using his CP device, and the other guy is likely monitoring some eavesdropping gear.

I also like to think that all the audio we've got is recorded from CP devices, since it makes the most sense story-wise. If this is true it would be logical for the subject of the ghosting/recording to be panned centre.

I know that panning has been used for effect in other clips, but I think I'll go back and see if there are any oddities.

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 		I just gave receipt.wav another listen. At around 38-40 sec, when the GOM says "Well, not saying there wasn't a reason for the whole thing...," I'm almost positive you can here the sound of crumpling leather, like the GOM is shifting his weight while sitting in a leather chair. This sound is very different that the rustling papers. In my mind, this lends to the spec that the GOM is really the high ranking officer (seated in his office) and the lower ranking officer is the one who knocks and enters the office, not vice versa. Not the most enlightening spec, just had to put it out there.

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 		Firstly, I think there are not two, but three officers involved in this scenario:

1. The officer pretending to be the old man.
2. The deep voiced guy who enters in goodbye.wav - a higher ranking officer.
3. The guy who is panned right - some sort of technician.

If it was the deep voiced officer making the call as the old man, then he would have to be talking while he was walking around to be able to be at the door when he entered the room (the old man is seated at the start of the call). It is clearly the deep voiced guy who enters, because of the stereo panning of the clip. However, if he was walking around while talking on the chatter thingy, why do we only hear footsteps when he enters the room?

Here's my take on the whole situation - I think it is the connection and not the actual call that is important. Sort of like phone tracing or getting a connection in order to find out someone's IP address, I think they need to get a connection to a particular military department in order to use that connection to their advantage. So one officer calls up the department pretending to be an old man to keep the connection active for as long as possible while the technician guy is trying to hack the connection and get some important data. That could be the reason for the interference in troy.wav, which the "old man" quickly blames on someone else.

The piano music, clock, and shuffling of papers is just there to add to the realism of the "old man" so that the person on the other end doesn't suspect anything. They also use the name of an officer who they know has been killed, so that nothing will actually be done about the complaint.

When the "old man" is put on hold a higher ranking officer enters to see how they are progressing. As soon as the technician confirms that they have the data they need, the call is finished quite quickly.

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 		More Spec
I agree that the "old man" is putting on a voice to some end and the conversation between the two officers takes place in the same room that the call originated from. So here is my wild spec.

All three stories from the original axons began with some sort of eletrical wierdness. The old man mentions being cut off and having to call back. That may be our point of reference in this timeline. So this conversation takes place moments after the other three stories.

So if the Apocylipso caused the blackouts by coming out of slipspace in a sublunar orbit, what if something went wrong during the slipspace jump? This could explain Melissa's presence in our time.

Just rambling now. rip me apart.

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 		I do think the Old Man and the Deep Voice are the same person, and I also think that he is the one opening the door, but like you mentioned, only hearing the footsteps after he enters the room is an inconsistency. On the other hand, if there are three people in that room, why would two of them be panned so that they sound like they are using the CP device we are ghosting? I need to go and listen to all the wav files again to see if there are any patterns to the panning.

One more random wild spec: maybe these guys have something to do with the Navy Sentinels trying to get into Jersey's machine?

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 		We need to focus all of the axons for some of the first messages have axons that have not been activated. True we only needed two for two (2/2) to activate the message but there is still the counter on the top of the page counting all axons it is at 140/777 it is counting all axons including the new ones from the recipe3.html and one that has been deemed "axon error" and cancled I counted myself. Anyway in order to fulfill the 777 total I would assume we need all of the axons esspecially since the one with the error is beign counted. we will be up to 214 by the tiem they are all activated spread the word as fast as you can.

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Worker wrote:
I'll risk a trout about the "old man" and the strange interruption in the phone call.

I believe the whole thing is recorded from the receptionist's side (which would make sense in its own right). You can hear her say "one moment sir" and put him on hold (two beeps). She knocks on and opens the door into some 'information center', where she walks around (female shoes). She sits down at another terminal (or ruffles some papers), and looks up the information. While she's in this room, she overhears the conversation about the ship. She then returns to her desk, un-holds the old man and gives him the news.

Thoughts?


"blam- -dink" I think your right it makes the timline make sense what do you think happend to two guys vioces after they finish ther conversation are they very queit or do you think she leaves the room they were in I don't hear much time between the unhold and the two guys conversation.its like there just cut off. the music and clock don't change volume in hte new room I had posted about there constant sound from "hello to goodbye" in the recipe3.htlm axons forum. anyway it would lend more to the idea that we are hearing someone not on the recording listening to the sexretary's chatter line the person has a clock and is listening to music.

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reigh wrote:


"blam- -dink" I think your right it makes the timline make sense what do you think happend to two guys vioces after they finish ther conversation are they very queit or do you think she leaves the room they were in I don't hear much time between the unhold and the two guys conversation.its like there just cut off. the music and clock don't change volume in hte new room I had posted about there constant sound from "hello to goodbye" in the recipe3.htlm axons forum. anyway it would lend more to the idea that we are hearing someone not on the recording listening to the sexretary's chatter line the person has a clock and is listening to music.

Omg, that just made my head spin Shocked Silly
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reigh wrote:
Worker wrote:
I'll risk a trout about the "old man" and the strange interruption in the phone call.

I believe the whole thing is recorded from the receptionist's side (which would make sense in its own right). You can hear her say "one moment sir" and put him on hold (two beeps). She knocks on and opens the door into some 'information center', where she walks around (female shoes). She sits down at another terminal (or ruffles some papers), and looks up the information. While she's in this room, she overhears the conversation about the ship. She then returns to her desk, un-holds the old man and gives him the news.

Thoughts?


"blam- -dink" I think your right it makes the timline make sense what do you think happend to two guys vioces after they finish ther conversation are they very queit or do you think she leaves the room they were in I don't hear much time between the unhold and the two guys conversation.its like there just cut off. the music and clock don't change volume in hte new room I had posted about there constant sound from "hello to goodbye" in the recipe3.htlm axons forum. anyway it would lend more to the idea that we are hearing someone not on the recording listening to the sexretary's chatter line the person has a clock and is listening to music.


I think quite a few people have offered enough acceptable evidence for us to believe that the .wav is being recorded from the OldMan/Officer side's side. And just to add to such evidence, the Receptionist puts the Old Man on hold in order to look into his request (checking up on Janet and finding that her official status is KIA), yet in the .wav she goes silent after she puts him on hold. If it was being recorded from the Receptionist's side, we would've heard her clicking away at a computer or doing some sort of actions in order to check the status of Janet (the other officers actions don't count for the receptionist). I think we can accept that the conversation it coming from the Old Man's side of things and then, between the "hold" beeps, from the side of the Officer (I, like many others, believe they are the same person, and think we should work based off that theory, but I'm not ready yet to say that it should be the absolute accepted theory - that we're not on the Receptionist's side, however, I think we can take as pretty much fact).

And on another note, I concur with the thought that there is some significance to the Old Man insisting and clarifying that it were Marines, and not Naval Officers, that he is complaining about. It's at least relevant enough to keep in mind as we theorize and speculate about things.

Also, being one that believes that the Old Man and the deep voiced officer are the same person, I too noticed the inconsistency of there being no footsteps until the door is opened in Goodbye, while I would think he would've had to walk up to the door. However, at about 38-40 seconds into Receipt it does sound like the Old Man is getting up off of a leather chair/couch (as others have noted, throughout his dialogue prior to that it sounds like the Old Man is shifting in a leather seat). So at least there is some possible audio support for him standing (and maybe his seat happened to be right next to the door or something, which is why he doesn't have to walk until he opens it. Or, and this just dawned on me as I'm typing this, maybe the room he is in at the beginning is carpeted, and the room he walks into (where he talks to the Com-Monitor) has a hard-surface floor, and that's why we don't hear his footsteps until he begins to walk on the hard-surfaced floor (because the carpet in the other room softens the steps and doesn't create a sound loud enough to be picked up by whatever audio device is recording these encounters, or even normal ears).
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 		I never thought of carpet... I did think about rubber floors but I guess carpet didn't seem futuristic enough. We do know they are in an old building though, since it doesn't have one of those fancy whooshing doors that we hear in hey_dad.

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 		Re: More Spec
Perion wrote:
All three stories from the original axons began with some sort of eletrical wierdness. The old man mentions being cut off and having to call back. That may be our point of reference in this timeline. So this conversation takes place moments after the other three stories.

So if the Apocylipso caused the blackouts by coming out of slipspace in a sublunar orbit, what if something went wrong during the slipspace jump? This could explain Melissa's presence in our time.

Perion


I don't think so. I agree with Daffy's theory that the interference is merely a side-effect of them hacking the line looking for information. Once the old man is put on hold the technician guy tells him that they don't have the data they were looking for yet, and so the old man continues to stall for more time in order to keep the line open. If you listen closely you'll notice that after the old man is told by the woman that any information regarding his missing papers will be forwarded to him he trys to keep the conversation going, but is quickly cut off by the annoyed woman. In my opinion, the sound clip was purposefully entitled goodbye.wav because that title emphasizes the woman's frustration with the old man's attempts to lengthen the conversation.

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 		input on the old man stuff
Recap:

The footsteps and change in HV (high voice)'s volume/audio position don't have to mean that DV (deep voice) is moving, it works just as well if HV is moving.

The footsteps don't sound like high-heels (it would sound like click-clop, not clop-clop).

Overwhelmingly it sounds like we hear from TOM/DV's position.

It is still SPEC whether this is in realtime or is replayed. We have no solid proof one way or another. The beeps at the start and stop of the recipe3 story are exactly the same as the start/stop transmitting wavs found in Jan's story (from Officer giving orders to cadets over CP) and again in hi_adian from Khemal transmitting a ghosted voice. Also, there is a sound before the 'start_transmitting' sound in hello.wav, I will attach it to this post. Furthermore, the secretary did say that the chat info would be sent forward to another CP address.

We also know from hi_aiden that ghosted voices can be transmitted as such that they sound like they are anywhere in the room, so the stero placing may be a moot issue.

We know that the glassing of Troy is common knowledge, at least to the secretary and TOM.

There is one other sound in hi_aiden that is heard nowhere else in any of the wavs...a sound at the start of the ghosted voice transmission. This would back up the idea that the recipe3 story doesn't contain ghosted audio.

The pause beeps aren't found in any other wav's but Troy.wav
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Now then, surely the government has tracking protocols for those who call them (especially something that would need to be followed up). Notice that TOM never gives a return CP address. He didn't need to. This is the future, and surely federal agencies have some sort of traceroute for incoming calls. Who is dumb enough to try and fake his voice when they can just trace the call? This is a strike against the TOM=DV, or else it lends creedance to the hacking idea.

I think it's kinda a bizarre idea that DV is faking TOM's voice, and is trying to fool the secretary, but has no problem with getting interrupted in the middle of the event. We never hear any evidence that TOM is ever put on hold in the first place. Nothing the secretary says, and no audio clues ever suggest that the secretary's silence after she says, "one moment, sir" is for any other reason than that she didn't say anything. Aside from the lack of audio cues, ask yourself...if you were DV and were trying to fake out the secretary with your TOM voice, would you let HV come into your office with a report while you were on hold? You don't know how long you will be on hold, and you would probably just wait for ten more seconds when the call will be over.

One other thing I want to point out, the part where DV says, "Jesus..." definitely sounds like a exclaimation of relief. Listen carefully, I think you'll agree. This makes sense as to why HV apologizes for not being more clear in the first place.


Ok, the attached sound clip is Jersey's computer assistant rebooting before Durga fries her. Notice that the sound GENIE makes almost sounds like the one I posted above, with another sound added to the beginning. We know that Jersey modified his Personal Assistant, so I theorize that the hello.wav sound is a rebooting sound (which makes sense in context), and that the sound in dizzy is a jazzed-up version of the universal rebooting sound that Jersey customized.
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