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Kilo
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 		Basically. I don't think the blood in the sink would come from a gunshot wound. I think we had this argument about 60 pages back or so, but people generally don't go to a sink to bleed out when they're shot. I'd definitely say that blood either came from some kind of respiratory illness, or nursing a wound after the action has subsided. Definitely not from getting shot.

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Future Sith
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Kilo wrote:
Basically. I don't think the blood in the sink would come from a gunshot wound. I think we had this argument about 60 pages back or so, but people generally don't go to a sink to bleed out when they're shot. I'd definitely say that blood either came from some kind of respiratory illness, or nursing a wound after the action has subsided. Definitely not from getting shot.


Makes sense, and connects to the pills which they were probably taking for said illness. So what about the bullet casing? It just happened to be there? I suppose someone (Brian or Alex or both) was keeping a gun on them at all times just to be safe.

I still think Brian is TTA, though. Because of Exit. I think he knew about Slender Man and was seeing if J was involved in it. After seeing that he wasn't, he split.

I need to work on my theory a bit. Maybe try and tie it in with everything else.

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incedio
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 		Do you guys remember when Alex was cut in his head or something when SM came into the room or whatever? What if he walked to the bathroom slowly and just had his head over the sink? Maybe he didn't have any water so he just let it bleed until it either healed or he cleaned it up himself. I think that's possible...sometimes I like to wash my face and hair and just have my head hang over the sink...I don't really thing someone was shot. But if there was a shooting, it might have been somewhere nonlethal...there would have been more blood if it was, right?

And where do you guys get the "Brian dead" part? If you mean the audio from the TTA video where J fell, he is clearly saying "Alex....Brian..." It's just what J said when he came in but in a mocking tone? That's why J was pissed on twitter.

One last thing, where did you guys get the thing where "J cannot be trusted because he is human" thing? I don't remember it.

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DavFlamerock
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incedio wrote:
And where do you guys get the "Brian dead" part? If you mean the audio from the TTA video where J fell, he is clearly saying "Alex....Brian..." It's just what J said when he came in but in a mocking tone? That's why J was pissed on twitter.

One last thing, where did you guys get the thing where "J cannot be trusted because he is human" thing? I don't remember it.

The reversed "Alex! Brian!" was actually the audio from Entry 16, when J said it.

Check out totheark's wiki page and look in the Correspondence section.

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Kilo
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 		For the bullet casing, it's totally possible that the blood could be from Alex's head wound. Honestly, it would make sense for Alex to buy a gun, and possibly use it. Strange that we would never see it, though.

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Spudsy2061
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Future Sith wrote:
It would make sense that Alex killed Brian out of insanity (I'd assume that'd be the only reason he'd shoot his friend)


Alex, out of panic could have assumed that Bryan was or at least involved with the SM stalking him.

jamiel8668 wrote:


4: Masky = Tim?

Though I've an inclination to agree, something tells me in isn't going to be that simple.

Very Happy


I have this same intuition as well since we are forgetting about both the cameraman and the girl.

Vazhar wrote:
Alright, I've been lurking for sometime trying to figure this all out and just watched ep 19 today. And the first thing I noticed was camera distortion when masky was next to the camera. Just like in 18.

Due to this, as well as masky having video taped Jay, and Slenderman never actually "attacking" Alex or Jay. Hell, Jay has never even seen Slendy apart from in the videos. Masky has attacked Jay, there was blood found in a locations that Masky was at, possibly linking him to it. I have personally come to believe that Masky is the "Bad" person in this situation. Why he would sit over Jay, I have no idea. BUT if Slendy was bad, why would he follow Alex at a distance and never actually hurt him.

Its my opinion that Masky is the bad one, and unlike how some people have suggested that Masky is protecting Jay from Slendy, I propose the opposite. Whenever Alex ran into Slendy, it was from a distance. A safe distance. Slendy walked around the parimeter of his house, Slendy watched from behind a tree, Slendy was there, but distant. The only exception to this is when he goes into Alex's room, and I still have no clue where he went when alex got up and turned on the light and couldn't see him. Or, at that point, wasn't bothered by him.

The distortion doesn't come from Slenderman. It comes from the Mask guy. Case in point, the episode in which they're doing lines in the car, Six I believe, Slendy is there and relatively close. There is no distortion. Also, Alex walking around the corner when looking for locations with Jay runs into Slendy lurking about, he is very close and no distortion. Thats because Masky is off in the woods taping Jay as we find out in a responce.

Slenderman is there to protect them. Masky is the threat, and when Masky charged Jay Slenderman protected him. Was it the slenderman doll? Was it Slenderman himself? I don't know. I'd guess the doll. But look at it without assuming Slenderman is bad, he follows but never threatens. Nothing about him is ever really threatening. Masky has been proven to be.


I hate to just say you're wrong but I doubt this. Remember the entry (I believe it was 14) where Slenderman comes into Alex's room all quietly. Alex wakes up with blood on his face. Harm was done. Also in another thread under this game named Slenderman Appearances, we see questions as to if there are two SMs in the same shot. Who is to stop us from saying that it is not SM and the Masked Man working together? Also in the entry J and Alex and the gang are location scouting and SM is off in the distance, at the very end they move to ask him to leave the set, and who is it that goes forward to ask the SM? None other than Tim, which is another reason I think Tim is the Masked Man.

BaronVonCakeman wrote:
My only problem is I think it's extremely doubtful that J was shoved. Yes, he fell oddly suddenly, but I seem to recall this discussion ending with most of us agreeing that was probably a bit of over-acting for his coughing fit collapse, seeing as it would have been illogical for J to continue investigating the house, had he been shoved, and one would assume that he would mention it.

I also doubt anyone was shot. Maybe someone just took the powder/pellet thingies out of the casing for some reason.


While I agree with the shoving, it's much easier to fire a bullet to produce an empty casing.

PhatScurl wrote:
maybe i was a little quick to assume this but, i didn't read the blood in the sink as coming from a wound. With J getting sick i assumed that Alex or brian must have been as well, to the point that they have been coughing up blood. In this case it got pretty serious.


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Kilo wrote:
Basically. I don't think the blood in the sink would come from a gunshot wound. I think we had this argument about 60 pages back or so, but people generally don't go to a sink to bleed out when they're shot. I'd definitely say that blood either came from some kind of respiratory illness, or nursing a wound after the action has subsided. Definitely not from getting shot.


Yes but remember when we approach the sink it is not immediately against a wall or mirror, which is very strange. While there is not enough blood around for a shot to have taken place this is only true if there is an immediate wall to which the sink is attached. If we take the momentum of the blood upon time of impact of the bullet, most of it would be thrown forward into this wall behind the sink and then it would drip down into the sink. Since there is the lack of such wall, no such blood that would be spilled onto it would drip into the sink, therefore the sink would have less blood than it normally would for a standard bathroom. You said people don't generally go to a sink, but who is to say that the victim ran to the sink after being shot? It explains the trail in the bathroom but then why is there no other blood stains in the house? I think it was done in a non-chalant way. With the lack of a mirror, it is then impossible to see someone behind you approach you, much less point a gun at you if you face the mirror. So Bryan went to the bathroom to use the toilet, then went to wash his hands, and while he was bent over the sink washing them was shot. The lack of the wall behind the sink explains the less then normal amount of blood and all of it in the bathroom, as well as the scene for which this could have taken place.

incedio wrote:
Do you guys remember when Alex was cut in his head or something when SM came into the room or whatever? What if he walked to the bathroom slowly and just had his head over the sink? Maybe he didn't have any water so he just let it bleed until it either healed or he cleaned it up himself. I think that's possible...sometimes I like to wash my face and hair and just have my head hang over the sink...


But then where's the blood over the bed?

Kilo wrote:
For the bullet casing, it's totally possible that the blood could be from Alex's head wound. Honestly, it would make sense for Alex to buy a gun, and possibly use it. Strange that we would never see it, though.


He takes the gun with him. The gun is evidence with his prints on it, assuming he moved because of the event and the law he would need to take the gun with him.

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Tyran
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 		I think ToTheArk IS Alex, and that Masky is actually Tim.

Why? It just seems obvious, Tim appeared in TWO entries before Masky showed up. In both he seemed nervous, trying to cover up stuff he knows about Slendy when J interviews him, and he actually gets nervous with Slenderman around him in 17. Tim knows more, or has gotten more info in three years. I think the filmmakers are trying to imply that Tim is involved by having him appear so much, and so nervously.

I think that Signal was ToTheArk trying to get to J, but Tim managed to get over there and mess it up. Of course, J knows like us that Alex is ToTheArk, so when he saw a mysterious being in a mask he assumed it was TTA, and of course Alex. But it's pretty obviously Tim, he looks more like it. He was either trying to attack J or scare the bejeesus out of him so he doesn't come back and find out whats going on in the house.

I think Slenderman is still pretty close by, but for now the newer entries by J will focus on him trying to ward off/run from Masky OR J going through the tapes HE made and finding Masky/Slendy in it.

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aaa11
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 		Still holed up here -j new twitter post

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DavFlamerock
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 		suddenly, JAY

Jay on Twitter wrote:
Also, for some reason I keep getting asked my real name. It's Jay. You've all been right from the beginning.


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chammy
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aaa11 wrote:
Still holed up here -j new twitter post


With another shortly after.

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Also, for some reason I keep getting asked my real name. It's Jay. You've all been right from the beginning.


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SweetHat
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 		Aww, poor guy sounds upset.

Nobody offering to take Jay home? Sad

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gordon_ramsay
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 		he can stay with me. lol.

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gonzaw
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 		Wouldn't it be better to ask J more important questions other than his name?

Like for instance if he remembers what is said between him and Masky when the audio distortion comes up in entry #18.

Or asking him how many tapes there are (unless the creators of this don't have the plot completely set up)...
Or asking him if he recognises the house from 16/18 (if it's indeed Alex's house), or asking him if said house is near where MB was shot, or near any of the places he was scouting with Alex (like those bathrooms in 13 I think), or near any other known residence/location related to MH or the entries...
Or asking him what pills he took from #16, or if he saw something there other than what was shown in the camera, like coupons on other odd places, other furniture turned upside down, I don't know....
Or maybe asking him what he things of all these subtle sightings of SM/Masky we are seeing in #11 or #19.
Maybe even asking him how fast he went from when the beginning of #13 was shot to when he was in the car in Exit to rule out if TTA is Alex or not (he may say he doesn't remember, but I suppose we can try)....


Hell I suppose we can all together find more questions to make him other than his name (which seemed kind of obvious in the first place anyways).
Also, J is interacting with us, and he's done so lots of times, so we can assume if we keep asking him more things we can know more about how he (in game) views this and maybe more info that can help us understand a little better this whole issue, info that maybe the PM wants us to know only by asking J (since he lets us know we can get answers from J relating this), or maybe info he just may slip to us since we are insisting so much as a way of letting us satisfied....


I don't know, I think it would be useful...


EDIT: Also, even if he answers to most of our questions "I don't remember", this can still be useful to know when things could have gone wrong and where more unseen interactions between J and Masky/SM/others could have taken place, keeping an eye for more info on those specific scenarios (like when he didn't remember anythign from entry 18, or when he was up in 19, or what happened to Brian in 17, whatever)...

\/ Sending PMs to his youtube account I think....
And I don't know if you can send PMs in the SA forums but if you can you could do that, although I'm not that interested in acting as a "player" in the sense of constantly interacting with the characters, and having the pressure of having to do stuff or figure out stuff, etc...

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 		How exactly would one message Jay? I have a few questions for him.

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gonzaw wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to ask J more important questions other than his name?

[words]

Or asking him what pills he took from #16, or if he saw something there other than what was shown in the camera, like coupons on other odd places, other furniture turned upside down, I don't know...

We have asked about the pills, and he has not given us a clear answer.


Future Sith wrote:
How exactly would one message Jay? I have a few questions for him.

PM him on YouTube. He has not yet answered @replies on Twitter AFAIK.

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