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Two2teps
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The House
Information, maps, etc about the now infamous "house" from Marble Hornets.

After seeing the screen shots posted in the Return thread I think we need a place to compile information about the house from Entry 16 and 18. I think there is an extremely good chance that this house is the same as in Return and even in Alex's earlier videos.

The problem is the information about the house is spread out across about 4 different threads in addition to the main trail head. I know people have made maps and taken comparison pictures I want to get all that information in here, then compile it and pump into the wiki.

I am absolutely convinced that the house in the Return video is shot in the house with Jay sitting on the floor in front of the front door of the house. Further he is sitting in the same spot the muslin doll was in 18 and TTA is positioned down the hall like he was in Addition and like he was in 18. To solidify this we need good, clear screen shots to compare.

Another thing we need is a nice map of the second floor. I feel there is a very good chance that Alex's house is "the house" but without knowing the layout of the second floor it's hard to proof or disprove. Also we know that in a few of Alex's video he gets footage of the first floor, lets see if we can compare that as well.

I debated creating this thread but I think nailing down the information about the house can help reveal more information for us. Specifically who TTA is and what is relation to Slender Man is.

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[compiled from my posts on Return thread]

mh-door.jpg: The shot on the L is of TTA's Return, the shot on the R is from Entry 18 right before he picks up the slender doll.

You can see that 1 corresponds to the side door that leads off the hallway; 2 corresponds to the front door; and 3 corresponds to the corner where the hallway makes a 90 degree turn.

Also note that its a front door; you can clearly see the deadbolt and chain. This corresponds to the beginning of Entry 18 when J tries the locked front door whose handle is on the R externally (which would be the L internally).

That means that J is sitting exactly where the slender doll was!

mh-door2.jpg: From the first time J visited the house. You can clearly see the deadbolt this time.

Also note this - J starts having his coughing fit at 4:20 on the video. That's 5 seconds after seeing the front door, where he will later find the doll, where he will later sit in a trance before SM!

mh-redcart.jpg: The freakin red cart from Entry 16 is visible outside Alex's room in Entry 11!

Conclusion: Alex's house = Entry 16 & 18 house = Return house

Also, the area between the front door and the closet is where:

J had his coughing fit...
J was taped by TTA...
J found the slender doll...
J fought Masky...
J sat enthralled by SM...
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Okay, here are my takes on both floors (I think they are from #18 )...





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kevrock wrote:
[compiled from my posts on Return thread]

mh-door.jpg: The shot on the L is of TTA's Return, the shot on the R is from Entry 18 right before he picks up the slender doll.

You can see that 1 corresponds to the side door that leads off the hallway; 2 corresponds to the front door; and 3 corresponds to the corner where the hallway makes a 90 degree turn.

Also note that its a front door; you can clearly see the deadbolt and chain. This corresponds to the beginning of Entry 18 when J tries the locked front door whose handle is on the R externally (which would be the L internally).

That means that J is sitting exactly where the slender doll was!

mh-door2.jpg: From the first time J visited the house. You can clearly see the deadbolt this time.

Also note this - J starts having his coughing fit at 4:20 on the video. That's 5 seconds after seeing the front door, where he will later find the doll, where he will later sit in a trance before SM!

mh-redcart.jpg: The freakin red cart from Entry 16 is visible outside Alex's room in Entry 11!

Conclusion: Alex's house = Entry 16 & 18 house = Return house

Also, the area between the front door and the closet is where:

J had his coughing fit...
J was taped by TTA...
J found the slender doll...
J fought Masky...
J sat enthralled by SM...


Here are things I find confusing about the red shelf thing...



As you can see the red cart (or whatever) from #16 is completely red. It has a red metal board that's supposed to be the back of the shelf, however in #11 the back of the self doesn't have said red metal board, but isntead seems to not have any board at all and it shows the wall behind it (shown in thewhite circle). I suppose the same could be said about the side of the red cart, but in #16 we are shown the right side and in #11 we are shown the left side (so we would have to assume both sides in #11 are the same).

Second, notice the lenght between the shelf in #11 and that wooden handrail (white line), and notice the height of the shelf (in the same picture)..
Doesn't it seem like if said shelf were to fall, it would collide with the handrail and be stuck? Yet the cart from #16 shows that it fell completely to the ground, meaning it dind't collide with the handrail, and you can see the shelf from #16 doesn't stretch that far into the wall. So this would mean that the cart fomr #16 is shorter than the shelf from #11.

But again, 3 years passed between both photos, so in reality Alex may have repaired or improved the shelf by placing said red boards, and maybe the handrail broke and is gone by the time #16 is filmed, hell he may have gotten a whole new shelf (but that defeats the point of comparing these 2 pictures in the first place)...


I dunno, those 2 pictures seem to have something odd and I don't think they fit perfectly as for now
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gonzaw wrote:

Here are things I find confusing about the red shelf thing...



As you can see the red cart (or whatever) from #16 is completely red. It has a red metal board that's supposed to be the back of the shelf, however in #11 the back of the self doesn't have said red metal board, but isntead seems to not have any board at all and it shows the wall behind it (shown in thewhite circle). I suppose the same could be said about the side of the red cart, but in #16 we are shown the right side and in #11 we are shown the left side (so we would have to assume both sides in #11 are the same).

Second, notice the lenght between the shelf in #11 and that wooden handrail (white line), and notice the height of the shelf (in the same picture)..
Doesn't it seem like if said shelf were to fall, it would collide with the handrail and be stuck? Yet the cart from #16 shows that it fell completely to the ground, meaning it dind't collide with the handrail, and you can see the shelf from #16 doesn't stretch that far into the wall. So this would mean that the cart fomr #16 is shorter than the shelf from #11.

But again, 3 years passed between both photos, so in reality Alex may have repaired or improved the shelf by placing said red boards, and maybe the handrail broke and is gone by the time #16 is filmed, hell he may have gotten a whole new shelf (but that defeats the point of comparing these 2 pictures in the first place)...


When I look at the shelf I see red shelves with each corner supported by a black bar or pole with no backing. I think what you're seeing in the Entry 11 screen shot is the shadow generated from the shelf being flush against the wall and in a corner. I'm thinking the shelf is similar to the one attached below.

Also it's not lying on the floor it's been moved against the door seen to the left in Entry 11. Jay reaches between the shelves to try and open the door behind it. It's still upright just not in the same spot.

A note of interest where it was located in Entry 11 would have blocked the door handle of the "locked door" from Entry 16.

Like you said it's been 3 years and the house is trashed so we can't tell what state the red shelf is in from the original Alex tapes until the new Jay tapes. However the location of the rooms, the drawings, and a very oddly located industrial style red metal shelf seem to imply that Alex's Entry 11 house is Jay's Entry 16/18 house.
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Think of it this way- what's more likely: two houses both linked to this story have sets of red metal shelves in a 2nd story doorway... Or... Its the same house.

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Two2teps wrote:


When I look at the shelf I see red shelves with each corner supported by a black bar or pole with no backing. I think what you're seeing in the Entry 11 screen shot is the shadow generated from the shelf being flush against the wall and in a corner. I'm thinking the shelf is similar to the one attached below.

Also it's not lying on the floor it's been moved against the door seen to the left in Entry 11. Jay reaches between the shelves to try and open the door behind it. It's still upright just not in the same spot.

A note of interest where it was located in Entry 11 would have blocked the door handle of the "locked door" from Entry 16.

Like you said it's been 3 years and the house is trashed so we can't tell what state the red shelf is in from the original Alex tapes until the new Jay tapes. However the location of the rooms, the drawings, and a very oddly located industrial style red metal shelf seem to imply that Alex's Entry 11 house is Jay's Entry 16/18 house.


If the shelf was upright wouldn't it be impossible for J to try open the door without going round the shelf? The shelf in #11 is high enough that it would block the door handle altogether..
And if he put his hand through the shelves, the upper shelf should have been seen in the video at one point or another (specially since when he moves to the other locked door there doesn't seem to be a support for an upper shelf, unless it floats in the air)...

kevrock wrote:

Think of it this way- what's more likely: two houses both linked to this story have sets of red metal shelves in a 2nd story doorway... Or... Its the same house.


But if the shelves are different, what connection do you find that they are the same house? You could say that they bought a new shelf, just as I could say that the houses are similar or made by the same architect or whatever, we can't assume anything...

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shelves, while convincing, don't prove anythign 100%

could be same house OOG/different house IG..
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gonzaw wrote:


If the shelf was upright wouldn't it be impossible for J to try open the door without going round the shelf? The shelf in #11 is high enough that it would block the door handle altogether..

And if he put his hand through the shelves, the upper shelf should have been seen in the video at one point or another (specially since when he moves to the other locked door there doesn't seem to be a support for an upper shelf, unless it floats in the air)...


I looked at the videos again and it does appear that #11 has at least #5 shelves and #16 has about 3. I will say I've seen more than a few generic metal shelve such as that where each new level more or less stacked upon the previous. At around 6:01 in #16 you can see the top part of one of the metal supports sticking up past the current top shelf of the rack.

As for the house being the same the layouts match, even down to the shitty 2x4 mini-railing at the top of the stairs. I can't see them going through all the trouble they have to put together an engrossing story and then just using the same house to cut corners.

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Two2teps wrote:
I looked at the videos again and it does appear that #11 has at least #5 shelves and #16 has about 3. I will say I've seen more than a few generic metal shelve such as that where each new level more or less stacked upon the previous. At around 6:01 in #16 you can see the top part of one of the metal supports sticking up past the current top shelf of the rack.

As for the house being the same the layouts match, even down to the shitty 2x4 mini-railing at the top of the stairs. I can't see them going through all the trouble they have to put together an engrossing story and then just using the same house to cut corners.


I see those metal supports you're talking about in 6:01, but it seems that it only supports 2 shelves, it seems to small compared to the one in #11 (plus it's too long, where can you possibly put that in a house? it doesn't even seem to fit the stairs or doors)...

Wouldn't it be better to ask J wtf the red thing is? Although I know he is kind of busy with all the being stalked/mesmerized by SM/locked up in his house thing....

I know that comparing layouts would be the best way to determine if both houses are the same (judging from #11 and #16), but I just can't do it since #11 is so damn confusing and dark, suddenly Alex points his camera to the floor and he appears in the other end of the house, then he magically teleports to the second floor, and then he goes up the stairs to the 2nd floor ins a MC Escher manner...

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gonzaw wrote:

I see those metal supports you're talking about in 6:01, but it seems that it only supports 2 shelves, it seems to small compared to the one in #11 (plus it's too long, where you possibly put that in a house? it doesn't even seem to fit the stairs nor doors)...


That thing seems to have no home in any house and looks like it should be in a garage. It's really difficult with all the crazy camera work to get any idea of shape and size, especially from Alex's videos. I'm content to say that both Alex's house and "the house" have a funky red metal shelf unit in roughly the same 4 square feet on the second floor.

gonzaw wrote:

Wouldn't it be better to ask J wtf the red thing is? Although I know he is kind of busy with all the stalking/mesmerized by SM/locked up in his house thing....


I wish we could get a little more interaction, even indirect, from Jay when it comes to questions. Though I guess it's easier to keep the game surprising if you don't have a gaggle of amateur sleuths pulling out its secrety insides. Especially when answering this question could really kick open some doors, no pun intended.

gonzaw wrote:

I know that comparing layouts would be the best way to determine if both houses are the same (judging from #11 and #16), but I just can't do it since #11 is so damn confusing and dark, suddenly Alex points his camera to the floor and he appears in the other end of the house, then he magically teleports to the second floor, and then he goes up the stairs to the 2nd floor ins a MC Escher manner...


Its definitely tricky but is some information to be gleaned from Alex's otherwise spastic camera work. Entries 11 and 14 shows us the location of Alex's bed and dresser in his room as well as the location of at least one other room upstairs, and where his room lay in relation to the stairs. With some audacity we can scape every bit of information out of these entries to paint a clearer picture.

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Oh man, even more pay dirt watching Entry 11 at quarter speed.

At :21 you can catch a glimpse of the floor on the first floor near the front door, its a wood. Also the stair case doesn't line up with the front door but is slightly off to one side.

Based off camera movements he goes down the stairs and to the left and proceeds down the hallway. At :32 you can see a slight glimmer of light broken up by vertical slats, IE the sliding glass door and blinds, he then makes his way towards them and looks through them.

The screen gets super dark but lets go to light around :51 with the camera looking at a still lit room. From the footage at :21 we can see that the room to the right of the stairs has lights on. Meaning J continue in his circle through the second entrance into what looks to be the kitchen. It should also be noted that the floor in this room is made of square tile. He walks across the kitchen from the back of the house towards the front, to the breakfast nook window and looks out at :55.

He then doubles back across the kitchen into the back room. He turns to his left and looks at a window. It should also be noted at 1:06 you can see Slender man outside the sliding glass window.

At this point things remain dark until 1:24 when Alex makes his way back upstairs and to bed.

So here's what we've gotten.

1) Alex's bedroom with his crazy drawings is in the same location as the bedroom in Entry 16 that had crazy drawings.
2) Based off the location of the above bedroom(s) we know there is a second door diagonal across the hall when facing out towards the stairs.
3) Both houses (meaning the house from Entry 16/18 and 11) have a crazy red shelf unit in the same general area on the second floor.
4) ... also have an oddly built wooden banister at the top of their stairs.
5) ... have a kitchen with a square tile floor located to the side of the stairs.
6) ... have a large sliding glass door in a large room directly across from the front door area.
7) ... both houses have a breakfast nook to the left of the front door.

I'm 100% convinced Entry 16/18 house equals Alex's house.

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Two2teps wrote:
Oh man, even more pay dirt watching Entry 11 at quarter speed.

At :21 you can catch a glimpse of the floor on the first floor near the front door, its a wood. Also the stair case doesn't line up with the front door but is slightly off to one side.

Based off camera movements he goes down the stairs and to the left and proceeds down the hallway. At :32 you can see a slight glimmer of light broken up by vertical slats, IE the sliding glass door and blinds, he then makes his way towards them and looks through them.

The screen gets super dark but lets go to light around :51 with the camera looking at a still lit room. From the footage at :21 we can see that the room to the right of the stairs has lights on. Meaning J continue in his circle through the second entrance into what looks to be the kitchen. It should also be noted that the floor in this room is made of square tile. He walks across the kitchen from the back of the house towards the front, to the breakfast nook window and looks out at :55.

He then doubles back across the kitchen into the back room. He turns to his left and looks at a window. It should also be noted at 1:06 you can see Slender man outside the sliding glass window.

At this point things remain dark until 1:24 when Alex makes his way back upstairs and to bed.

So here's what we've gotten.

1) Alex's bedroom with his crazy drawings is in the same location as the bedroom in Entry 16 that had crazy drawings.
2) Based off the location of the above bedroom(s) we know there is a second door diagonal across the hall when facing out towards the stairs.
3) Both houses (meaning the house from Entry 16/18 and 11) have a crazy red shelf unit in the same general area on the second floor.
4) ... also have an oddly built wooden banister at the top of their stairs.
5) ... have a kitchen with a square tile floor located to the side of the stairs.
6) ... have a large sliding glass door in a large room directly across from the front door area.
7) ... both houses have a breakfast nook to the left of the front door.

I'm 100% convinced Entry 16/18 house equals Alex's house.


One would say that the "kitchen" from #11 would equal the room with the garbage cans in #16 right? And this room would have exits towards the front door hallway and towards the living room right?
What I don't understand is why when J leaves the kitchen (around the 1:03 mark), he seems to go to a corner where there are blinds in front and to the right of him. If the layouts matched, there would have to be a window to his left, and at his right the living room, and he doens't run or anything implying this view is the one he sees when coming out of the kitchen...

You say he turns to the left, but isn't the kitchen on the side of the house? If he turned to the left wouldn't he just face the wall instantly? He wouldn't have that 2-3 meter space we see at 1:05...

EDIT: The place we see at 1:05 would resemble the view from someone standing on the couch where Masky sits in #18, how could Alex get from the garbage cans place to that "couch zone" in 2 seconds?

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gonzaw wrote:

One would say that the "kitchen" from #11 would equal the room with the garbage cans in #16 right? And this room would have exits towards the front door hallway and towards the living room right?


Yes garbage can room from 16 = Tile room from 11.


gonzaw wrote:

What I don't understand is why when J leaves the kitchen (around the 1:03 mark), he seems to go to a corner where there are blinds in front and to the right of him. If the layouts matched, there would have to be a window to his left, and at his right the living room, and he doens't run or anything implying this view is the one he sees when coming out of the kitchen...

You say he turns to the left, but isn't the kitchen on the side of the house? If he turned to the left wouldn't he just face the wall instantly? He wouldn't have that 2-3 meter space we see at 1:05...


Alex turns and walks out the back entrance to the kitchen. There's an entrance next to the stairs and one opposite of the window he looks out of in the kitchen. Taking a shot in the dark, no pun intended, this is probably a "dining room" area adjacent to the living room area. Alex walks out of the kitchen and into this living/dining room where there is a window to his left and perpendicular to that window is the sliding door.

To get an idea scroll up and look at the map posted of the entry 16/18 house. Alex would have walked out of the kitchen, which is marked as "unknown" and to his left, roughly where the "portrait is" is the window. Keep in mind the map is far from scale just a very rough outline.

gonzaw wrote:

EDIT: The place we see at 1:05 would resemble the view from someone standing on the couch where Masky sits in #18, how could Alex get from the garbage cans place to that "couch zone" in 2 seconds?


I thought that too since we can see the sliding door and I can't see the entire back wall of this house being large sliding doors.

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Two2teps wrote:

Alex turns and walks out the back entrance to the kitchen. There's an entrance next to the stairs and one opposite of the window he looks out of in the kitchen. Taking a shot in the dark, no pun intended, this is probably a "dining room" area adjacent to the living room area. Alex walks out of the kitchen and into this living/dining room where there is a window to his left and perpendicular to that window is the sliding door.


If this were the house from #16, the sliding door is not "perpendicular" to the door of the kitchen (which as you can see after J calls for Alex and Brian in #16 there is a hall to the right of the house, looking at it from the side it stands far away from the sliding door or the hallway with the closet).
Just look at #18, when J enters the house, and looks back to the blinds. Then he looks to his left, and you can see there are a good 3-4 meters or so between the blinds and the opposed wall. Not to mention there are like 4-5 meters between the blinds and the wall where the hallway with the closet starts. And seeing from #16there is a hall to the right and it's kind of deep, again like maybe 2 meters deep. This hall would end in the kitchen, whose door would be in the center of said hall, and in relation to those 3-4 meters distance from the blinds to the wall, and saying there's 1 meters or so distance from the wall to the kitchen door, then horizontally there would be like 2-3 meters from the blinds to the kitchen door horizontally.
Now the door kitchen like I said would be 2 meters deeper then when the hallway starts, meaning the kitchen door would be around the same distance as when the closet door ends. So this means there are a good 6-7 meters from the blinds to the kitchen door vertically...
Let's approximate and say there are 2.5 meters horizontally and 6.5 meters vertically, that means between the kitchen door and the blinds there are 7 meters. How could Alex travel 7 meters while walking in like, 1 second?

Two2teps wrote:
To get an idea scroll up and look at the map posted of the entry 16/18 house. Alex would have walked out of the kitchen, which is marked as "unknown" and to his left, roughly where the "portrait is" is the window. Keep in mind the map is far from scale just a very rough outline.


Yeah I know what it would look like, I made that map Wink
But yeah it is not in scale, I only made it to show the places J goes when he enters, meaning I tried to show where all the couches and stuff would be relatively....

Two2teps wrote:
I thought that too since we can see the sliding door and I can't see the entire back wall of this house being large sliding doors.


If the kitchen was in that unknown part to the left of the blinds then it would make sense, when Alex comes out of the kitchen, he faces the wall of the blinds, he turns left and he has the blinds to his right...
But if the kitchen is the room supposed to be the one with the garbage cans in #16 then it doesn't make sense, he would have to retreat to the couch with the blinds zone in like 1-2 seconds (I said the distance was roughly 7 meters), then turn around and have the blinds to his right, all while us not noticing these turns and runs he makes, it doesn't make much sense....

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