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lifegospel
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Roland Deschain wrote:
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finished that today Razz


Yeah Quasadilla.dye, yeah, I haven't slept in 48 hours, I've been going over the vids trying to make sense of it all.


On a side note, what the FUCK is a crocadillotoad?
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Droshi
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starfish1441 wrote:
I may be touting here but none the less...

Has anyone noticed that J has never really seen Slender Man with any recollection? Any time he has seen Slender Man it has been in Alex's videos or he doesn't remember it. It's possible that J has had long gaps of time where he, for lack of a better term, sleep walks into a slender Man situation. Why was Alex able to see him and remember seeing him but J not?


I actually just shared my thoughts on this on the previous page if you want to read it. In a nutshell, I currently believe that everyone who gets near Slenderman blacks out due to some kind of magnetism emanating from him. I would guess that every time the video is distorted, the magnetism (or whatever it is) is also intense enough to make the people in the area black out what is happening, even though they may react to it at the time. They simply won't remember it later.

Thus, anyone who has seen him doesn't even know it. Except for Alex, who has the tapes and realizes that he is losing chunks of time. So he filmed himself nonstop to catch what happens during the blackouts and sees Slendy through the tapes. That's the only recollection he likely has. Jay has yet to see Slendy on his personal camera, and only knows of his encounters through totheark's and Alex's tapes. If not for this, he would have had no idea about it and would probably have a pretty good life right now.

It seems like Alex hid his findings from everyone else, possibly to protect them from falling victim to his fear and paranoia and allowing them to be blissfully unaware of the horrors they may have encountered.

As for your question of why Alex remembers seeing Slenderman (a good question) before he started actually filming him but no one else does, I think the fact that he was walking his dog at the time is key to this. I think Slenderman might be powerless around certain animals and therefore existed in front of Alex but did not wipe out his memory.

It's worth noting that, according to Tim, someone kept leaving dead animals in Brian's yard. It could have something to do with that. Maybe it was Alex trying to protect Brian by encompassing him in some kind of protective force field of animals? Haha, sounds farfetched but almost crazy enough to be true.

I'm not going to sleep well tonight. Sad



EDIT: I just thought of something. Whatever happened to the Toby-from-the-Office-looking camera guy at the gazebo scene? The guy who brought his dog? He was really... really weird looking, lol. And he never appeared again. The reason I ask this is that Alex made a point of yelling "YOU BROUGHT YOUR DOG!" at him, and if you notice, there is no distortion on that whole tape at all. There are also children present, not sure if that means anything.

Could Alex be pissed because he thinks his dog is the reason he initially saw Slenderman under the light pole, and thinks that the dog being there will keep everyone from forgetting if they run into him? Or is he just pissed and stressed at everything? Hmmm..

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With the whole 'dead animals in Alex's yard' thing, I just assumed Slendy killed Rocky. Maybe I'm just morbid. The dog didn't like Slendy, and he's sure not getting in the way during any of the tapes, though.

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Okay guys, get ready for a hilarious MS Paint map I made. Just a forewarning of shittiness.

I think it's actually possible that Alex is the one filming Jay in "Exit". After seeing the 8:10 video on YouTube (where some random guy found the filming location of Entry 13), it becomes clear that the parking lot with the Mustang is very, very close to the round building where Alex sees Slendy. Once you watch the video, the geography becomes more clear. If my half-assed calculations are correct, It would have been physically possible for Alex to record Jay.

Alright, so here is the order in which events fall on my map.

1. Alex tells Jay to go to the car, he agrees and walks off.
2. Alex continues down the trail and arrives at the big round building/staircase/statue area.
3. Alex goes along the treeline to the left when exiting the trail, putting him between the round building and the parking lot. He has a clear shot with the camera from this Vantage point, and films Jay until he walks away from the car.
4. Alex runs back in the other direction to keep from being seen and then makes his way to the crossed-out-circle on the ground, where he briefly explores the immediate area, sees Slendy, and walks around the perimeter of the circular building (and sees Slendy again, all up in his face with his lopsided head all leaning to the side).
5. Sometime around this time, Jay, exits the trail and arrives at the round building where Alex is waiting, possibly back to normal after blacking out his Slendy encounter and they go about their business.

And here is the map illustrating it. As you can see, it's really quite feasible. Keep in mind that the scale is probably all wrong and that the trail is possibly longer. But that is the basic geography of the area. I'm pretty sure the round building is some sort of Rest Area or park that has been shut down (as evidenced by the 3'8" marker on the ground that looks to be the outer edge of an old pool that is now filled in).


EDIT: It's also entirely possible that the Exit footage wasn't sinister at all. Alex could have been filming Jay in case something happened to him while he was out on his own in an attempt to look out for his well-being.
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I'm pretty sure Tim said that someone was leaving dead animals on Alex's lawn, not Brian's. If I recall properly, he sort of implies that it's part of the reason Alex moved away.

That's an interesting point about the gazebo scene.... I forgot about the kids and the mention of the dog until now. The dog thing sounds especially odd, though. It kind of came out of left field and seems out of place. Mind you, maybe Alex is upset because of Slendy killing animals, (including Rocky?) and he's worried about Flenderson's (Toby's last name-- he really does look alike, now that you mention it) dog.

I'm not so sure about the entirety of your theory.... I don't think it's necessarily a clean 'mind wipe' type situation. If it is, then proximity probably plays a key role. I also don't know if you can really make things as scientific as 'magnetic fields' causing everything. Slendy is usually portrayed as a Lovecraftian eldritch horror type of monster, so I think it's more a 'so terrible your mind won't let you remember to keep you from going insane' type of a thing. Scary stories are much scarier when they're not quantified and defined within exact scientific terms.

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Also, in reply to your map... bear in mind that if indeed the person with the 8:10 video did find the shooting location that Marble Hornets used, there's no guarantee that 'in universe' the dimensions of that area are the same as in reality.

Like, clearly, in that video, the parking lot is not far away, but it seems like they went out of their way to make it seem like Alex had to walk a fair distance from where he left Jay, through the woods, to get to the Slendersymbol. And it also seems like Jay had to run a fair distance to get back to the car. Bear in mind that what the 8:10 video shot (if anything) is just a SET. there's no guarantee that in the MH universe, it's supposed to look the way it does if you actually go there (just like if you walk onto an actual TV set, internal rooms only have three actual walls, but in-universe, they actually have four, etc.) so I don't think that can really conclusively prove anything.

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Badgerconda wrote:
I'm pretty sure Tim said that someone was leaving dead animals on Alex's lawn, not Brian's. If I recall properly, he sort of implies that it's part of the reason Alex moved away.

Really? Because I'm pretty certain that it was the other way around. When Tim mentioned the dead animals, they were definitely talking about Brian.

Droshi, that is an epic map and you rock.

Badgerconda: I don't know where you're getting this speculation. The video cut, sure, but I'm fairly certain that's because Alex took out the Exit footage (to keep J from thinking Alex was a creeper when he handed over the tapes) and so it cut from pre-Exit to post-Exit footage. You're taking that cut to mean "a long time" when it doesn't necessarily mean such. Because that location is a real place (rather than a "fictional" one, such as Alex's house or J's apartment) I'm pretty sure that we can be assured that the 8:10 video is a reliable outside source.

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Everything you said was a good point, haha.

I'll have to rewatch the Tim interview, I could have sworn they were talking about Brian at that point.

I don't actually know anything about magnetic fields, it was just the best term I could think of, lol. Whatever it would be, I was just trying to imply that its effect on cameras could be related to how it is affecting humans. You made a good point, it could be based on proximity to him.

Also, you're right. It's completely possible that while that might be the actual geography of the area, it wasn't intended to be as such in the MH universe. I'm just basing this on the possibility that they were using the territory just as it is in real life. So I could be completely wrong.

Is it confirmed that Slendy killed Rocky, or just speculated due to his lack of presence in the series?

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I don't have time to rewatch the interview right now, so it's entirely possible I'm wrong, just wanted to make that point.

Don't get me wrong, all your speculation is good stuff, none of it is too far out there or tinfoil-hatty, I'm just playing devil's advocate a little. I try to keep people grounded.

Dav, I'm not sure why you think that because it's a 'real location' that they're necessarily using it as-is in the Marble Hornets fiction. Do you also think that there's a real Slenderman? It's still fiction, no matter how raw, and that means that the physical reality of a location doesn't always reflect the fictional reality on film. Again, I'm just trying to keep everyone grounded in the reality that this is a story before anything else, and when telling a story, you're going to make the location fit your story whenever possible, rather than compromising story for the available locations.

You do make a good point about the possible cut, but if it's such a short distance, shouldn't Jay have been able to rejoin Alex much quicker, considering that at the end of 'Exit', he's already on his way to rejoin Alex?

As far as Rocky goes, I believe it's just speculation. Nothing I've seen has talked about Rocky since the one entry where Alex is driving and talking about him, but it would seem to be logical.

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DavFlamerock wrote:
Droshi, that is an epic map and you rock.


Thanks! Very Happy

Badgerconda wrote:
You do make a good point about the possible cut, but if it's such a short distance, shouldn't Jay have been able to rejoin Alex much quicker, considering that at the end of 'Exit', he's already on his way to rejoin Alex?


Well, think of it this way. For Alex to reach his destination, he simply has to keep walking to the end of the path, take a small detour to film Jay, then continue on around the building.

Also, it is a short distance, true, but that's based on a straight line between the two locations. The path was probably a longer walk. By running to the left, Alex might have been trying to keep Jay from seeing just how close he was to him so that he would take the path again and buy Alex more time to explore the area. Well, that and the fact that he probably wouldn't want Jay to see him just standing there filming him.

Jay, however, has to backtrack to the beginning of the path, walk out to the parking lot, turn around, go back down the whole path again, and then arrive in Alex's general area. Even after stopping to film Jay, Alex still had the whole path between him and Jay; plenty of time for him to go to the front of the building and film the events of Entry 13 before Jay meets up with him.

Once again, though, this is assuming that the area is geographically the same in the MH universe as it is to real life.

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Badgerconda wrote:
Dav, I'm not sure why you think that because it's a 'real location' that they're necessarily using it as-is in the Marble Hornets fiction. Do you also think that there's a real Slenderman? It's still fiction, no matter how raw, and that means that the physical reality of a location doesn't always reflect the fictional reality on film. Again, I'm just trying to keep everyone grounded in the reality that this is a story before anything else, and when telling a story, you're going to make the location fit your story whenever possible, rather than compromising story for the available locations.

What I mean is that because it's a public place, I would say that it's safe to assume that observations made on the layout of the park outside of the videos could carry over to the videos themselves because if you remember, Marble Hornets is set in the modern real world--just the real world with a couple extra locations (Alex's house/J's apartment) added. It's like if I were to go watch a movie set in San Francisco, I could recognize the places they visit and use my familiarity with the city to extrapolate the rest of the setting. This hypothetical story is supposed to take place in the San Francisco that the viewers know--so it would hold true that what outside knowledge they have of the city also applies to the story (obviously that ends as soon as something happens to alter the city like Terminators nuking it or whatever).

By extension, though this public park is not a famous place like The City, it's still a place that people can go check out and, because Marble Hornets is set in the real world, then it's safe to assume until told otherwise that observations on the real world also apply to the setting of Marble Hornets.

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Droshi wrote:

Is it confirmed that Slendy killed Rocky, or just speculated due to his lack of presence in the series?


I could have sworn that was one of the questions J answered -- He said something like that he thought Alex took Rocky with when he left.

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CreepyDoll wrote:
Droshi wrote:

Is it confirmed that Slendy killed Rocky, or just speculated due to his lack of presence in the series?


I could have sworn that was one of the questions J answered -- He said something like that he thought Alex took Rocky with when he left.


Oh wow, I actually remember reading this somewhere. I think it was someone in this thread who asked him via YouTube. You're right, I know I have seen that too.

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I know this is going to sound redundant, but im pretty sure Return didnt take place during those three hours. Look at the door and the L shaped hallway. Its Alex's house. The house from 16/18 (which im pretty sure we've all agreed that the original house and the 16/18 house are the same.)

Unless he drove to Alex's house and back in those three hours, i think Return takes place during the time Jay blacked out with Masky the first time.

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BaronVonCakeman wrote:
If you use a Binary Clock to decode it, the one in Advocate reads 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 00. and the one in Program reads 25, 01, 13, 01, repeat.


BTW, here's the link to my in-depth write-up on this since its been brought up several times recently.

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28627

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