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[SPEC] The Axons may not be simultaneous
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GunsmithCat
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Astald wrote:
If your theory is true, then there would have to be one more chatter interrupt when Durga would spy Jan. In the base where the blackout was, she wasn't following Jan, but the officers who were watching her. But in the interrogation room and the drive home with James James, Durga has to be following Jan.


True, although it a) could be that some communication flips are less noticeable than others or b) be along the lines of johnny's spec where her intial acts are sloppier than others. (fits why someone who might be Jersey's dad has one as well).


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but again it is all OLD data. This is why I mentioned data mining. Durga did not say "your mom is boinking the neighbor at this second and here is the video." She said "at some time in the past she had dinner with a man, had tuna and the man stiffed the waiter on the tip" (8%! I get cursed out for less then 15%! ).

Again, I am not saying that Durga couldn't do these things. I just do not see any evidence of it. "I like to find things out" sounds like a data miner and not a omnipresent spy.


Well -something- is spying on all of these people, otherwise Melissa couldn't be sending them to us. We already have a lot of similarities between Durga & Melissa, and we know Melissa is a professional spy.

I mean no, from our very brief conversation with Durga there's not much indication - I guess it really depends on if you believe "I can do better than that" leads into Jan's story.

At which point she must either be an omnipresent spy, or the stories can't be happening at the same time because Durga would be showing an archive.

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 		You know, another possibility is Durga being a new kind of Covnenant AI that slipstreams into systems. Remember how their ships required a while to reset after a jump? Maybe if the AI is slipstreaming into the system, it is causing the same effect. Sorry, I know this thought needs a bit of polishing, but I'm at work and trying to do a few things at the same time.
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 		GSC's spec sounds more possible with the creepy.wav. What if they are listening to us, like we are listening to them.

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Astald wrote:
GSC's spec sounds more possible with the creepy.wav. What if they are listening to us, like we are listening to them.


at the same time I must admit "red" sounds simultaneous to "standard procedure"

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 		Well, taking them as being unsimultaneous means that in order to link them, there must be a common character or object, if they are to make a story which explains how/why Melissa ended up here. Otherwise she wouldn't know about these happenings. I've read some of the spec linking Durga to Melissa, and this character to that character, and so on. Some of it makes sense, but not all of it. In the end, it's hard to keep the line going where one story leads to the next and so on.

Now one thing we knew from early on was that Melissa was the AI on a ONI spy vessel. Knowing what we know about the characters in the axon recordings, does it not seem like these may be the types of individuals/situations an organization like ONI would want to monitor? Jan for sure, but also a hacker, a bad cop, etc... So instead of M being in the stories, she was watching/listening right before whatever it was that sent her here happened.
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 		There's probably too much [Spec] and not enough .wavs right now to be certain of any one thing or another. Creamsicle indicates a week's passage in Jan's story, but that's as far as I can tell, time-wise.

As for Creepy... I about crapped myself when Jersey pondered what Brain was pondering...

...But it sounds to me like Durga was being listened in on by Melissa, and what we're hearing is record snippets of various threeds Mel has been "Eavesdropping" (sorry, couldn't help myself) on.

Speaking of Dana... maybe Melissa somehow got her advice early and has been playing "Eavesdropping" all along... perhaps that's how we're getting these .wavs...

God, now I'm getting too deep in the [Spec] rabbit-hole....

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GunsmithCat wrote:
Astald wrote:
GSC's spec sounds more possible with the creepy.wav. What if they are listening to us, like we are listening to them.


at the same time I must admit "red" sounds simultaneous to "standard procedure"


Heh, quoting myself.

This doesn't seem to agree with me anymore - the cop in "red" seems to be answering the generic "officer under fire" call, not the call from Stupid Cop.

It appears Durga is definitely monitoring Kamal ("curious girl") and Jan ("awful fast") and can break into channels, etc.

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JimmyJames wrote:
You know, another possibility is Durga being a new kind of Covnenant AI that slipstreams into systems. Remember how their ships required a while to reset after a jump? Maybe if the AI is slipstreaming into the system, it is causing the same effect. Sorry, I know this thought needs a bit of polishing, but I'm at work and trying to do a few things at the same time.


The ships just required a little time to recharge the energy they used to execute the jump. There was no effect on the onboard electronic systems.

This was why, in First Strike, Cortana hooked the Covenant ship they stole up to the Ghettysburg (UNSC ship) so that she could recharge the systems faster.
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 		[quote="GunsmithCat]I'm not seeing how a dense metal that could shield us from a radioactive source inside could not also protect something inside from both physical and radioactive harm... Not saying it's a wild spec, just saying one is probably as likely as the other. [/quote]

Dense does not equal strong. Diamond is the strongest substance we know of, but it's made of carbon atom--a relatively "light" atom, among the elements. Where as gold, much heavier and more dense, is not so strong--if you were actually able to lift a substantive amount of it (a brick weighs ~200 lbs), you would find it is easily malleable, and would make for a terrible substance to shield physical damage.

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Avatrix wrote:

Dense does not equal strong. Diamond is the strongest substance we know of, but it's made of carbon atom--a relatively "light" atom, among the elements. Where as gold, much heavier and more dense, is not so strong--if you were actually able to lift a substantive amount of it (a brick weighs ~200 lbs), you would find it is easily malleable, and would make for a terrible substance to shield physical damage.


It appears here on Earth we don't use it natively due to it's highly poisonous properties. Apparently we see it in very hard alloys, particularly pen heads, phonograph needles, etc.

Though, let me put it this way. If you were going to shield a bomb or highly explosive/radioactive element, would you not choose something that would provide protection from external influences - it would provide some armor from physical harm, energy, etc - otherwise you have no idea when it might go off.

Same demands as protecting something. If this osmium covering is really malleable, or weak, etc. - it's doubtful it would have survived drifting through space for x number of millenia.

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 		Good question/idea GunsmithCat! If it were hit by space debri, an extremely malleable object would not be a good "case". But it also goes against your theory that the tube was protecting, instead of containing, whatever was inside it.

However, it's stated that it was not pure osmium. Of course not knowing the properties of the alloy prevents us from knowing it's strength.

I know this took your thread off on a tangent, and for that I sincerely apologize. But if I may pose one last question on the topic of the "castaway", what do you think was in it?
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JimmyJames wrote:

I know this took your thread off on a tangent, and for that I sincerely apologize. But if I may pose one last question on the topic of the "castaway", what do you think was in it?


Hey no problem.

The Castaway? Convinced he is a person ... if you mean the artifact, I don't think we're being given nearly enough evidence. I do assume it has something to do Melissa's time travel but I think we are in the dark from the specifics. Best guess is that it holds a crystal similar to the one found on Reach.

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 		Not simultaneous... But possibly... All part of one memory?
...That's got to be it then

Firstly, I'd like to that Malissa might not be the one who did the spying... She doesn't know what these "voices in her head" are, she doesn't recognise them, that's why she's broadcasting to us. So we can help her figure them out.

Anyway...
The idea that these clips might not be happenening at exactly the same time, that each time "Durga" enters a system it causes a problem, is pretty cool.

Because I had the impression that all these clips put together are part of a single memory... Particularly after the "creepy.wav" file was unlocked.

I get the idea that the sceene here is Jersey and Durga, listening in on all these other people...

[SPEC - Timeline]
1. Durga enters Jersey's system.
2. Jersey asks Durga to show him Jan
3. Durga finds Jan, and in "wetting" the security system for the base, causes the outage that lets the MPs see her.
4. blah blah blah ectera ectera and so on and so forth.

From what we've managed to get unlocked in this second round of Axons, it appears that Durga is the one who's interested in Kamal and wants to find out more about him.

The file where this happens has yet to be unlocked (it's also possible that it may not yet be unlockable) but I'm guessing it's the Aiden connection. If Aiden IS the guy that's seeing Jersey's Mother on the sly. perhaps they decide at somepoint to find out more about him, and the Kamal connection is made.

"creamsicle.wav" and the continueing adventures of Jan and the Cop, indicate that not all of these conversation happen on the same day. Creamsicle/Frustrated is a week after Jan's pqi, and "asset.wav" is somewhere between a few hours to the next day at least. But

I think most of the wavs we have in this round take place later then the ones in previous round, but I also think that some of the files in the last round are "contempories" of some of the files in this round. (Or take place later still.)

It's still to early to come up with a really solid timeline for anything except the Jan/Cop storyline because they come right out and say it's been a week.

But I think, if we look at these files from the standpoint that we're eavesdropping on Jersey/Durga eavesdropping on a bunch of other people we'll find it easyer to put thinks in their proper order.

As to who's memory this comes from...
It could be "Durga", or it could be somebody else listening in on them...

So we're listening in, on somebody listening in, on Jersey and Durga listening in, on all these people...

Lunch break over...

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 		this has probably been discussed and shot down already, but i was thinking last night that, what if the Queen is Melissa?
the widow, the flea and the princess could all be systems set to operate around her in case of damage, and represent the systems kicking in around Melissa, the 'voices' she hears in her system (unless we're sure these are the sound-files she's giving to us to figure out). But if so, could that be why we've got the Princess trying to communicate with us, being one of the systems or facets of Melissa.
Anyone follow? disagree? lining up a trout-swing?

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noideaforausername wrote:
this has probably been discussed and shot down already, but i was thinking last night that, what if the Queen is Melissa?

That's what we've been assuming since partway through Phase 1 of the game.

After that, noideaforausername wrote:
the widow, the flea and the princess could all be systems set to operate around her in case of damage, and represent the systems kicking in around Melissa, the 'voices' she hears in her system (unless we're sure these are the sound-files she's giving to us to figure out). But if so, could that be why we've got the Princess trying to communicate with us, being one of the systems or facets of Melissa.
Anyone follow? disagree? lining up a trout-swing?

We know that the "Widow", the System Peril Distributed Reflex (SPDR), is, in fact, a system set to operate in case of damage. It tried to repair her, though it apparently did a piss-poor job (some speculate that, if it hadn't been deleted, it would have gotten around to cleaning up its own mess in the end.) On the Flea, however, we're pretty sure it's not supposed to be there. Clearly the Flea is unwelcome and is corrupting Melissa; we currently believe that it is a spy AI sent by the Covenant.
As for the Sleeping Princess...to be honest we don't know. There are so many conflicting theories flying around that I'd need both hands to count them. She could be a part of Melissa, whether she was part of the original programming or something Melissa herself created when she realized she was possibly in danger; or she could be a separate AI, whether human or Covenant or Forerunner; or she could even be a physical, living person, or maybe a cyborg. It'll doubtless be a while before we have enough clues to say for certain and with one unanimous voice that the Sleeping Princess is (fillintheblank).

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