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[SPEC] The Tower, The Mirror
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rose
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 		About the names
I've been looking for you guys. I didn't realize this was in the puzzle thread.

I was assuming that behind the kitchen was a very clever reference to the recipe 3 files.

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)3 In IP systems, there is such a thing as a 'loopback' address (127.0.0.1), such that things coming from *inside* a computer come through the IP protocols as if they were coming from *outside*. That is, even though your software is looking *out*, it can see things that are behind it, *inside* the computer.


This makes sense to me.

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Hyperion
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 		"Loopback" doesn't really make sense to me.

Hitting 127.0.0.1 doesn't really make the transmission seem like it's coming from the outside. To explain this, I'll have to explain a little how TCP/IP works.

The TCP/IP Protocol stack is divided into seven parts, called the OSI (Open System Interconnection) model.

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Physical: Layer 1.
Carries the bitstream, i.e. twisted-pair cables, wireless.

Data Link: Layer 2.
Codes the bitstream, also creates the frames.

Network: Layer 3.
Handles switching, routing and the creation of logical paths for transmission of data from node to node.

Transport: Layer 4.
Hands data from Session Layer to Network Layer. Also doublechecks flow control, data transfer and error checking.

Session: Layer 5.
Manages, establishes and terminates connections between transmitting applications.

Presentation: Layer 6.
Translates network bitstream into usable data for applications and vise versa. Also handles encryption.

Application: Layer 7.
Applications that accept and transmit network data.


Now, hitting the loopback only goes from Layer 1 to Layer 3, and back. It doesn't test the range of the model. To do this, you'd have to ping your own IP address.

The Spec about monitoring ports in a switch, that makes more sense. Mirroring a port would allow the Queen to see SP spying on her.
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HoldenC
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 		Mirror solved?
Now that we have found the lookingglass.html page in this thread(http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6151&start=30), it seems like both the kitchen and the mirror were hints at hidden pages. Looks like there is still another related to the Tower...

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Xanedon
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 		[SPEC] I was just thinking about the twisted tower that sounds oh so much like DNA... DNA is based up off of 4 bases...

Adenine (A) will only bond with thymine (T), and guanine (G) will only bond with cytosine (C)

taken from http://protist.biology.washington.edu/fingerprint/elementa.html

Is it possible we have a listing of dna strands anywhere in these messages that we can piece together?

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Secretariat
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 		DNA (or its close relative RNA) will leave a very easy-to-spot sequence of letters; it will be something like

ATCCGCGGAGTC...

or, for RNA, replace T with U. (Uracil)

Alternatively, you'd have a list of protein names that resolve to different codons.

DNA seems... out of character for Melissa.

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TwistedEar
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 		I'd agree, the thought of melissa using DNA is out of the ordinary, though her use of biological systems in allusions isn't.

The twisted stairs are in a few literary works, but the only one I can recall for certain is totally non-applicable - Hogfather by Terry Pratchett. The Toothfairy's castle has a pair of stairs like that, with no railing. THe problem is, the actual castle is very childlike, such as no shadows etc etc. And definently not scary unless you are an adult.


How about other biological systems what use that sort of stucture... a parallel pair of strands (oh, that's right.. DNA is antiparallel, this it's not a good staircase shape technically) with a virtual tube inside. The only one I can think of is the a-helix shape of certain protein structures... though they have internal bridges again.. no hole with a long drop...

Woah, just (stupidly) googled about spiral staircases in pairs and got this as my number one link
My mistake, I guess I should read before I leap, the link reference was dodge, though the actual page is an interesting read
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 		twisted cabling
As far as the spiral stairs and tower referring to a router, usb, or network cable, recall that these are wholly electronic beings. Therefore, they have no reason to make parallels with the physical realities of a computer. So, the tower and stairs probably correspond to an electronic reality. I like what enkryption said about the index being the base of the castle and other rooms being a seperate web page. This also somewhat fits with the "Widow's story," in that she found the castle in a state of disrepair.

Reality wise, SPDR & OP's original computer probably had a much more complex file system than exists in this website, so SPDR comes online and notices only a couple of pages with different names...like the walls have fallen down and the fourty rooms have become five rooms with broken walls in-between.

In this case, the 'tower' page would be able to see furthest outside of the site itself...possibly the links page? I don't know what that would make the staircase refer to, but it also would make the mirroring be a monitored port or pinged address.

I think the site is supposed to be on Dana or Margaret's home PC, otherwise it wouldn't make sense that Melissa could manipulate Dana's webcam. It would just seem to be a suspension of disbelief thing.
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GunsmithCat
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 		Re: twisted cabling
SuperJerms wrote:
As far as the spiral stairs and tower referring to a router, usb, or network cable, recall that these are wholly electronic beings. Therefore, they have no reason to make parallels with the physical realities of a computer. So, the tower and stairs probably correspond to an electronic reality. I like what enkryption said about the index being the base of the castle and other rooms being a seperate web page. This also somewhat fits with the "Widow's story," in that she found the castle in a state of disrepair.


True, but Operator gives us plenty of indication that she is aware of her physical surroundings to a point, when she starts comparing the network to cups and twine.

Operator wrote:

Not a real network, after all. Copper and silicon and every now and then some FIBER? Christ, what's next? Tin cans and twine?


And remember Princess speaks in allegory & metaphor ... so she would probably translate that to "gold walls lined with sand floors" or something.

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lord
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 		[SPEC] About the capitalized words on error 404 page. Maybe we should read all as only one sentence. And not exactly the word capitalized.

The words are :
NAME HERE HUGE WHIZZ WHEW(!) YOU VERY INTERESTED

Maybe se should read that :
NAME HERE HUGE WITH VIEW(!) YOU VERY INTERESTED

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