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[SPEC] Jan James & Aiden link
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Sit
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 		[SPEC] Jan James & Aiden link
I've done a quick search and didn't find anything linking these two people, that said, trout as necessary.

Jan James is a military upgrade subject (new axons wavs say this pretty explicitly), her father and his SSF unit are most likely responsible for either creating her, or extracting her from whoever did.

Assuming they are now in hiding, perhaps Aiden is responsible for getting them onto earth. Even if James' cover identity is of military origin (snared), Jans is not and would have needed to be smuggled in "under the radar". Most likely whoever might be looking for them would be military, so keeping her out of military databases would be important.

[alternate spec] James really is Jans father and found out what was done to her through his security clearance. He then took it upon himself to go rogue and extract her, then go into hiding on earth. This would explain why uncovering her identity is so dangerous, since it would not only expose James, his unit, but also the existance of the program she was extracted from. Whoever the string pullers in that are, they will be very serious about keeping it secret.

Although I'm not a fan of the Jan=Spartan specs, this allows for spec that Jan is or was part of a Spartan program (which one doesn't matter), since her extraction (authorised, or not) would mean she hasn't gone through the usual isolated training reigime.

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 		Re: [SPEC] Jan James & Aiden link
Sit wrote:


Even if James' cover identity is of military origin (snared)


I don't think J2's cover identity would be snared to the point that a talented AI would comment on it unless some official organization wanted to keep him under cover.
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 		Re: [SPEC] Jan James & Aiden link
ajenteks wrote:
I don't think J2's cover identity would be snared to the point that a talented AI would comment on it unless some official organization wanted to keep him under cover.


Pretty much what I was thinking, but allow me to clarify. We know from the Operators monologue memories that various organisations on earth are working against each other.

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you know Section Zero will be all over them. Zero's wanted Standish forever.


Even if one group wanted to keep J2's identity secured, it might not be enough to stop another group from uncovering it, especially if they have access to the same databases. In this case though Jan is the prize, not James. Keep his identity hidden yes, but knowing that may not necessarily lead to Jan. With her there's no room for chance, so instead of a military cover identity they get a black market one, and keep it out of the official databases so theres no link to who she used to be.

Durga hasn't directly given any indication that Jan isn't who she seems to be, but theres definitely something in her past we don't know about.

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 		I think Janissary James is ALSO Lance Corporal Janet Adams. She got to Earth illegally (through Aiden), faked a death and SOMEONE is coming after her. (The man making up the receipt story.)

I'm going along with the spec that she is SOME sort of Spartan, but since she is young, she has not gained the rank of say, a Master Chief yet.

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 		How does the stupid_cop know about Jan's "shot full of miracles"? Is that part of your spec?

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 		Jersey also says that Admiral's info is surrounded by Packet Rings...J2 could just be a high-rank officer in his former life?

The cop could just be smart enough to put 2 and 2 together, or maybe they had already run the tests on Jan before the station burned.
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TheHulk wrote:
I think Janissary James is ALSO Lance Corporal Janet Adams.


I did think of that, but dismissed it rather quickly. Janissary isn't behaving with the discipline I'd expect from a marine lance corporal. Moreover, I doubt that J2 would seriously threaten to ground a lance corporal, or any marine for that matter, it seems like an extremely empty gesture.

As for the cop, most likely he just put 2 and 2 together and made a few guesses. not much different from us in that respect. I almost wanted to reach over and slap her this time, "how did you know?" thanks sweetheart, tell him everything why don't you.

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That's very specific! It doesn't look like few guesses! I believe he either had specific info on Jan or info on others like Jan. [SPEC]Maybe he knew other people that can beat a PQI (like he mentioned on previous clips) and have some of the characteristics above, so he guessed Jan would be similar and she just confirmed with the "how did you know?" ...

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The cop could just be smart enough

He even says he's not that smart! And I call him stupid_cop j/k Laughing

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He even says he's not that smart!

Ahh, the old Columbo trick. Smile Just because he says he's not smart doesn't mean he isn't smart.
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 		Perhaps the cop has some experience with special projects from the war. remember he did say he faked his age to sign up early. Perhaps he was somehow related to the ssf or the spartan projects. enough to know and recognize a person who has been enhanced.
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 		I dont think Janissary is far behind, if at all, in age to master chief. He seems very mature, but he is not necessarily old. The book mentions that he is only 14 when he is debriefed at reach with all the oni peeps. what if the link between janissary and aiden is that the cop shot aiden for beating his girlfriend sophie? And as far as the cop goes, like he said he might be stupid, but he's good at his job. Part of being a good detective is intuition, knowing what leads to follow just by feeling, like Agent Fox "Spooky" Mulder. I"m guessing one, he had a hunch, two, he tried getting info on James James and didnt find jack, maybe a few brow raising stats on janisarry like possible athletic prowess in school and test scores that kind of jazz. Only stupid in the sense that he couldnt tell us whether or not a car that was traveling lights speed's lights would project infront of the car or not- How does that go again? Laughing
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 		Not Jan/Aiden connection... Maybe Jan/Kamal connection?
"If a car is going at the speed of light, what happens when you turn on the headlights?"

And I forget the answer... If I ever knew it to begin with.

I think it's too early to really understand the link between the Jan/Cop story and the Aiden/Kamal story. But I'm going to try anyway...

Certainly a link to those characters is made somewhere, and probably through Jan some how. (Since Durga is showing Jersey stuff about Jan, and then she somehow becomes interested in Kamal.)

From what we have, I'm not getting that Aiden is really much more then a MacGuffin here to lead Durga to Kamal.

1. The trail of Jan, Stupid_Cop, Aiden, Kamal is most likely. If Jan is involved at all.

2. If Aiden IS the guy seeing Jersey's Mom on the sly, then perhaps Jersey changes his mind about not knowing more of his mother's "outings". When the whole "... Just wear loose pants and keep using the ointment..." line inturups their date, they decide to investicate and then they uncover the stuff with Sophia and Kamal.

3. OR maybe it's just the resturante that provides the connection alone. Even if Aiden ISN'T the guy Jersey's Mom is seeing, perhaps Aiden takes his paramour to the same resturante. Durga picks up on Kamal's ghosting of Aiden, and becomes terribly interested in him.

I'm leaning twords #3 myself.

Hopefully, something in this comming round of axons will reveal that moment to us.
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 		Something has come up. In the "very_lucky" clip (transcribed on theBruce), Kamal tells Sophie about the talented younger sister he has/had. He mentions her skill with dice (luck, or dexterity) - like our favorite Spartan-wannabe, Jan - and with languages.

I wonder if his sister was a key_lime candidate? And if she disappeared? And, hmm, would be about the age Jen is now?

Oh! And Kamal gets kissed! Almost as important as the price of tuna.

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 		Yeah, 'cause now Aiden will break his legs.

Well, spec is useless when we're about to get the rest of the story when wav's come out, but I will anyway. [SPEC] The cop knew about jan because "juicing" is a known practice and everyone who gets "juiced" has the same properties (ref. tweaked_up). This juicing could be the same juicing that Spartans got, or just a partial battery of those modifications to reduce mortality rate. It sounds like Kemal's sister was juiced too, but she died from the modifications (ref. unstoppable).

[WILDSPEC] Maybe Kemal's sister was turned into Melissa?

To stay on-topic with this thread, I don't think Jan and Aiden are connected. It seems that Durga is watching Jan and Khamal because Jersey wants to see Jan (and according to my WILDSPEC) because Kemal is Durga's brother, who is getting involved with Aiden presently.

Durga>Jeresy>Jan
Durga=Melissa>dead/brainscan to AI>Kemal>Aiden
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Something has come up. In the "very_lucky" clip (transcribed on theBruce), Kamal tells Sophie about the talented younger sister he has/had. He mentions her skill with dice (luck, or dexterity) - like our favorite Spartan-wannabe, Jan - and with languages.


I agree. 'Unstoppable' supports this further. I think Jan and Kamal are related.

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