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Telos954
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 		GnomonRose, I went through that anagram list and only one really seriously popped out at me.

"Hamlets Reborn"

If my memory serves me right, everyone dies in Hamlet.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:10 am
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 		Just adding my two cents here. I think that now that Jay has had DIRECT contact with SM that SM will begin stalking Jay in the same way he stalked Alex. The fact that Jay seems to be quitting at the end of 23 leads me to believe that something will force him out in the near future. Since he has been recording himself, we might see that SM is going to start showing up in the tapes.

I still think that Masky is going to come out as more of a protective figure of Jay. Who/what he is still a mystery to me. I'd like to think it's Alex, though.

/2cents

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 		Who knows, anything could happen at this point. Hell, for all we know, someone from the initial MH team could try and find him!

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 		Hasn't he ALREADY been near Slendy, in Return?

Then again, he was knocked out/drugged then.

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 		It'd be rad if Alex came back. "Oh crap. Look what I've gotten this guy into. Also I'm'a smack him one for posting videos of me going nuts! >:U" Couple of different obligation motives there to work with!

Totheark could also be the instigator. If the two are the same, then WHAMMO, new content like woah!

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Tyran wrote:
Hasn't he ALREADY been near Slendy, in Return?

Then again, he was knocked out/drugged then.


Maybe he only starts going after you once you've caught him on camera?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:13 pm
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I don't think SM is going to start stalking J. I think that Masky and/or TTA are trying to sacrifice (for lack of a better word) J to SM. They've tried twice, and SM does not seem to find to offering acceptable.

Side note: Does SM remind anyone else of Jack Skellington from Nightmare before Christmas?

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Telos954 wrote:
GnomonRose, I went through that anagram list and only one really seriously popped out at me.

"Hamlets Reborn"

If my memory serves me right, everyone dies in Hamlet.


Close. Only one semi-major character lives, Hamlet's (best) friend Horatio. Horatio doesn't actually have much of a role in the story, except at the very end when everyone is dead or dying. What role does he have, you ask? Horatio tries to poison himself to join Hamlet and the others in death, but Hamlet stops him. The ensuing passage:

"If thou didst ever hold me in thy heart, / Absent thee from felicity a while, / And in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain / To tell my story."

Entry 22. "Everyone is gone." Alex gives his videos to his friend Jay. "Hamlet is reborn"?

Masky = Alex "reborn"? Awesome implications if this is even vaguely correct.

On a semi-related note: I hate the idea of anyone in the videos actually trying to summon SM or anything like that. It makes Slenderman seem like a pawn in someone else's game. It's a whole lot creepier, in my opinion, if they just unknowingly awakened from eldritch horror from the dark corners of mankind's collective memory, and now it's hunting them. I don't think Masky is working with Slenderman so much as he wants Jay to find SM-for reasons I can only guess at. I'm still not buying Masky as a malevolent entity.

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 		Ha ha, Slenderman is the ghostly apparition who visits Hamlet/Alex to pester him for revenge? XD Water plays a large role in this, I'm still thinking. The dry river bed, the pipes, the hole in the ground... Ophelia drowns, but is that the only link to water between the two?

I wonder if we're all reaching for connections that aren't really there? I wonder if the MH crew are laughing and thinking, "wow, they make our work look so deep!" or if they're thinking, "YES! somebody got it! 8D"... probably a mixture of both.

Hoping we get some clue as to what the next step is, or else an unveiling from the crew so we know it's actually over.

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xtowelyx wrote:
Just adding my two cents here. I think that now that Jay has had DIRECT contact with SM that SM will begin stalking Jay in the same way he stalked Alex. The fact that Jay seems to be quitting at the end of 23 leads me to believe that something will force him out in the near future. Since he has been recording himself, we might see that SM is going to start showing up in the tapes.

I still think that Masky is going to come out as more of a protective figure of Jay. Who/what he is still a mystery to me. I'd like to think it's Alex, though.

/2cents


they basically told us its tim

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I honestly think Tim was the one to bring Slender Man around the first time.

Based on Baron's theory above, here's how I think it goes.

Slenderman is stalking Tim, who sacrifices Sarah to Slender to save himself. (Alex was normal when Tim was having his coughing issue.) With slendy appeased, Tim begins to get better and goes back to normal. Alex then stumbles across slenderman, and Alex's tapes begin.

Alex then perhaps unwittingly gives Seth to Slenderman, and then runs for it. J then has the tapes.

That theory blows my belief of Seth being TTA out of the water, though... Sad

Maybe Brian is TTA. He's the only one that J actively went looking for other than Alex and Tim, and it led him to the house, where a lot of this seems to be stemming from. It would also sort of explain how TTA had the footage of J in the house- maybe the house is actually Brian's house! Not Alex's as we thought.

/twocents


I apologize in advance for this over sized post.

Only problem with that, is Sarah is around when Slender Man is in Alex's tapes. Also, they confirmed it was Brian's house in Entry #20. =/

I don't recall Alex ever having the coughing problems Jay and Tim have/had, so another theory arises: maybe totheark causes the respiratory problems, whilst Slendy causes the mind problems. If this were the case, it would make totheark a bad guy, and I don't like that. It would also mean that totheark is somewhat supernatural, which I double don't like.

This would mean that totheark has been a problem since the beginning. Maybe he's the one who set Slendy free the first time, and Alex was the unlucky one who he latched onto. In this case, totheark could be Sarah, Brian, or even Seth.

Okay, I just got an idea; stay with me here.

Seth is totheark. He unleashes Slender Man for whatever reason (megalomaniacal, obsessed with Slender Man myth, take your pick) . During location scouting, Alex somehow disturbs Slender Man, and he starts following him. Seth approaches him, asking to be a camera man. He eventually gets Alex to trust him with the whole being stalked thing, so he uses Alex to get to Slender Man's House. Seth intends to give Alex to Slendy, but Slendy instead takes the camera man: Seth. This locks Slender Man away, Alex gives the tapes to Jay, and leaves.

As for Tim. The camera man plan may have been his backup plan, which was underway during his plan for Tim. His first (failed) plan would have been to contact Tim, anonymously, as totheark. He uses Tim to investigate Slender Man. Tim becomes agitated and aggressive from having to deal with the memory loss (as he probably didn't have a camera to remind him), while totheark (Seth) pushes him to dig deeper. Eventually, Tim gives up, and stops looking. Seth stops using him, and decides to go after Alex. As a result, Tim returns to normal.

Seth somehow escapes Slender Man (supernatural powers? =/), but is unable to leave the house for whatever reason (Slendy's keeping him there, he's a zombiegoast now, whatever you like). He finds Jay's entries, and watches his progress. Once he appears on camera (Entry #9), he's surprised. He decides to contact Jay as totheark. Dropping clues about his identity and his involvement in this here and there, Jay is oblivious. He eventually decides to try to guide Jay into releasing Slender Man again.

Once he sees Tim in Entry #15, Seth/totheark decides he could use a pawn. He lures Tim to Brian's house (probably by posing as Brian) and turns him into Masky (mind control, making him sick and denying him the medicine, whatever you like). Before that however, Tim tells Jay about Brian's house, and Jay arrives first. Surprised that someone is there unexpectedly, totheark hides and films Jay, who is also getting sick because of totheark's "powers".

After taking Tim's medicine, Seth turns Tim against him. totheark lures Jay back to the house for Entry #18, but it's an ambush, and Tim attacks. Due to either Seth's presence, the lack of meds, or Tim faking because he didn't want to hurt Jay, or a combination, Tim seizes, and passes out. Once he realizes Jay is gonna remove the mask, Tim doesn't let him, and Jay escapes.

Jay starts recording himself, and Tim goes to recover his meds (and the bullet casing for some reason). Due to totheark "infecting" him, or maybe tampering with the camera, he causes distortion in Entry #19. At first he simply observes Jay, but then, totheark (through Tim) puts Jay in a trance, and brings him back to the house. Seth somehow uses the both of them to summon and release Slender Man again, and Return is filmed by totheark.

Jay goes home, and eventually makes Entry #19.5, and discovers that there was something significant about the Tower from Entry #5. Tim is instructed to leave the tape Seth had for Jay to find, and totheark makes the response Version. Jay goes to the tower, finds the tape, and uploads it as Entry #22.

Jay is disturbed by the tape, and puts off doing anything as long as possible. Seth wants to give Jay to Slender Man, so he can be released. He responds with Attention. Jay doesn't move, so he responds again with Admission, hinting at secrets behind doors.

Jay finally gets up the nerve to go to the house. Either totheark or Tim sets up the Slender Doll to lure Jay into the bathroom. Jay does so, and catches Tim watching him curiously. He runs into the first room, and then leaves, probably to run downstairs. When Jay attempts to follow, however, he is warped into the second room. Desperately trying to find out what's going on, he begins going through each door until he is eventually warped directly behind himself, and night has fallen. He finally decides to listen to the Slender Doll, and enters the bathroom. Jay is warped to Masky's room, and upon leaving, sees Tim entering the small door; his mask hanging on the edge of it. Hoping to finally catch Masky, Jay enters the small room, sending him to Slender Man's house.

After poking around a bit, Jay says "Hello?" to which he is greeted with what sounds like his voice being played unnaturally lower, probably slowed down and possibly reversed. I believe this is how Slender Man communicates, kind of like a parrot. (This, in my mind, makes him ten fucking times creepier.) That would mean in Deluge, that WAS Slender Man's voice saying "Alex" over and over again; he was repeating what he heard when Sarah said "Alex" at some point, in his Slender Speak.

Jay follows Alex's footsteps, and hears his "ghost" or memory say "Seth?" a couple times. Eventually, Slender Man finds Jay, greets him with his creepy "Hello", and then cranks up his camera distorter field. Jay is stunned, with his light fixed on Slender Man. Slendy probably warns Jay not to come back. Jay awakens in his house (yesterday at the time of writing this), with his camera destroyed, and Tweets "How did I get here".

We shall see from there, if this theory pans out.

A couple of things to support this theory:

Tim is often missing, or late, like in Entry #7, #12, and #20. These are also when Alex is acting normal. These Entries would take place while Tim is under totheark's control, and he is out investigating Slender Man.

There is STILL one room that Jay has not been inside in the house. This is the room closest to the bathroom on the 2nd floor. Regardless of whether this theory is true or not, I believe this to be totheark's room. It was locked, and he never bothered trying it again after the first room was unlocked. The second door in the second room was also never opened, but I believe it to be a closet or something, as there probably wouldn't be a bedroom connected to another bedroom.

I haven't figured out how Brian or Sarah play a part in this yet. Maybe Brian simply moved away, and totheark, like Alex 3 years ago, used his house for a base of operations. Maybe Brian found out about Seth's plans and Seth had him "done away with" before he could warn Alex. Maybe that's where Brian was when he was never around: investigating Seth. For now, under this theory at least, I'll assume Brian and Sarah were extras who weren't involved with Slender Man or totheark, and they're probably alive somewhere.

Also, to be clear, in this theory: Seth = totheark, Tim = Masky. Tim doesn't know that Seth and totheark are the same until after he is under Seth's control, if at all. In fact, thus far, nobody does. Also, I'm assuming that you can only get sent to Slender Man's house if you really want to. Jay really wanted some answers, and unwittingly got himself sent there.


i like this entire theory completely. ty

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blue5213 wrote:
Telos954 wrote:
GnomonRose, I went through that anagram list and only one really seriously popped out at me.

"Hamlets Reborn"

If my memory serves me right, everyone dies in Hamlet.


Close. Only one semi-major character lives, Hamlet's (best) friend Horatio. Horatio doesn't actually have much of a role in the story, except at the very end when everyone is dead or dying. What role does he have, you ask? Horatio tries to poison himself to join Hamlet and the others in death, but Hamlet stops him. The ensuing passage:

"If thou didst ever hold me in thy heart, / Absent thee from felicity a while, / And in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain / To tell my story."

Entry 22. "Everyone is gone." Alex gives his videos to his friend Jay. "Hamlet is reborn"?

Masky = Alex "reborn"? Awesome implications if this is even vaguely correct.

On a semi-related note: I hate the idea of anyone in the videos actually trying to summon SM or anything like that. It makes Slenderman seem like a pawn in someone else's game. It's a whole lot creepier, in my opinion, if they just unknowingly awakened from eldritch horror from the dark corners of mankind's collective memory, and now it's hunting them. I don't think Masky is working with Slenderman so much as he wants Jay to find SM-for reasons I can only guess at. I'm still not buying Masky as a malevolent entity.


That's exactly how I saw it. J as the Horatio being tasked to tell the story...and Alex as Hamlet. Although, I have to say that that might just be coincidence.

A question I have is in regards to Return. Why doesn't Slendy affect the camera at all? No distortion...a little wonky audio, but at that close proximity in other cases we've seen complete distortion to J's camera outright breaking. It's almost like he can control how he affects their recording equipment. Perhaps instead of being able to warp time and space...he's able to control recording equipment...in essence letting out only what he wants to be known about him. Really gives him a more malevolent puppet master feel when you think of it that way. Makes it also seem kind of hopeless for our poor protagonists.

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nyc_jester wrote:
blue5213 wrote:
Telos954 wrote:
GnomonRose, I went through that anagram list and only one really seriously popped out at me.

"Hamlets Reborn"

If my memory serves me right, everyone dies in Hamlet.


Close. Only one semi-major character lives, Hamlet's (best) friend Horatio. Horatio doesn't actually have much of a role in the story, except at the very end when everyone is dead or dying. What role does he have, you ask? Horatio tries to poison himself to join Hamlet and the others in death, but Hamlet stops him. The ensuing passage:

"If thou didst ever hold me in thy heart, / Absent thee from felicity a while, / And in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain / To tell my story."

Entry 22. "Everyone is gone." Alex gives his videos to his friend Jay. "Hamlet is reborn"?

Masky = Alex "reborn"? Awesome implications if this is even vaguely correct.

On a semi-related note: I hate the idea of anyone in the videos actually trying to summon SM or anything like that. It makes Slenderman seem like a pawn in someone else's game. It's a whole lot creepier, in my opinion, if they just unknowingly awakened from eldritch horror from the dark corners of mankind's collective memory, and now it's hunting them. I don't think Masky is working with Slenderman so much as he wants Jay to find SM-for reasons I can only guess at. I'm still not buying Masky as a malevolent entity.


That's exactly how I saw it. J as the Horatio being tasked to tell the story...and Alex as Hamlet. Although, I have to say that that might just be coincidence.

A question I have is in regards to Return. Why doesn't Slendy affect the camera at all? No distortion...a little wonky audio, but at that close proximity in other cases we've seen complete distortion to J's camera outright breaking. It's almost like he can control how he affects their recording equipment. Perhaps instead of being able to warp time and space...he's able to control recording equipment...in essence letting out only what he wants to be known about him. Really gives him a more malevolent puppet master feel when you think of it that way. Makes it also seem kind of hopeless for our poor protagonists.


in Entry 23 the only time you see Slenderman is under the guise of extreme distortion. So I really don't know what you mean. In Return, distortion. in 17 he's outside(far away from the camera). In 13 he is far and then he breaks the camera. In 4 he isn't on camera. In 7 he is far away.

you see my point? He always effects the camera.

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SlendySense wrote:
nyc_jester wrote:
blue5213 wrote:
Telos954 wrote:
GnomonRose, I went through that anagram list and only one really seriously popped out at me.

"Hamlets Reborn"

If my memory serves me right, everyone dies in Hamlet.


Close. Only one semi-major character lives, Hamlet's (best) friend Horatio. Horatio doesn't actually have much of a role in the story, except at the very end when everyone is dead or dying. What role does he have, you ask? Horatio tries to poison himself to join Hamlet and the others in death, but Hamlet stops him. The ensuing passage:

"If thou didst ever hold me in thy heart, / Absent thee from felicity a while, / And in this harsh world draw thy breath in pain / To tell my story."

Entry 22. "Everyone is gone." Alex gives his videos to his friend Jay. "Hamlet is reborn"?

Masky = Alex "reborn"? Awesome implications if this is even vaguely correct.

On a semi-related note: I hate the idea of anyone in the videos actually trying to summon SM or anything like that. It makes Slenderman seem like a pawn in someone else's game. It's a whole lot creepier, in my opinion, if they just unknowingly awakened from eldritch horror from the dark corners of mankind's collective memory, and now it's hunting them. I don't think Masky is working with Slenderman so much as he wants Jay to find SM-for reasons I can only guess at. I'm still not buying Masky as a malevolent entity.


That's exactly how I saw it. J as the Horatio being tasked to tell the story...and Alex as Hamlet. Although, I have to say that that might just be coincidence.

A question I have is in regards to Return. Why doesn't Slendy affect the camera at all? No distortion...a little wonky audio, but at that close proximity in other cases we've seen complete distortion to J's camera outright breaking. It's almost like he can control how he affects their recording equipment. Perhaps instead of being able to warp time and space...he's able to control recording equipment...in essence letting out only what he wants to be known about him. Really gives him a more malevolent puppet master feel when you think of it that way. Makes it also seem kind of hopeless for our poor protagonists.


in Entry 23 the only time you see Slenderman is under the guise of extreme distortion. So I really don't know what you mean. In Return, distortion. in 17 he's outside(far away from the camera). In 13 he is far and then he breaks the camera. In 4 he isn't on camera. In 7 he is far away.

you see my point? He always effects the camera.


Right...but look how close he gets to the camera in Return without it "breaking" like it does in 23. He's not affecting the cameras consistently is what I'm saying.

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 		I think it might be from his face, if you notice in return right when his face would be completely on screen and facing the camera there is a rip and he reappears with his (face) mainly off screen.

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