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ChazFox
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sleeperinthesun

yeah its weird she just coms outside, twice a day, lights up, takes a couple puffs and puts it out
less than a minute ago from web


That explains the red on the longer cigarette - she probably wears lipstick. I've asked sleeper, just to make sure. Either way, the shorter cigarette means there was someone else at the scene of the crime.

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RT @chazfox172 @sleeperinthesun Does this woman wear lipstick? -- think so.
1 minute ago from web


Confirmed, there was someone else smoking a cigarette somewhere at the scene of the crime.

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He's just confirming the car driving off.

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Hmm.. Seems the car was being driven from the "Passenger seat" which means its a RHD (Right-hand Drive). These are most found/imported from England, is it not?

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ChazFox
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Spunkysoda9 wrote:
Hmm.. Seems the car was being driven from the "Passenger seat" which means its a RHD (Right-hand Drive). These are most found/imported from England, is it not?


I'm from the UK, and I can confirm that pretty much every car in the UK is right-hand drive. At the same time, it could be a Japanese car. Pretty much any country where drivers drive on the left side of the road will have right hand drive cars, so that the driver is nearest to the middle of the road (and thus gets the best view of the road).

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!!! SURE he confirmed it! we saw fotos with tire prints in mud, it was stupid to ask if there was a car. So now we kknow he drive his car rightside, also he bought coffe maybe on his way there, but still a lot of questions left, no one asked them. Whos body was there? when he found it, before he saw a man after or in the same time, he heard a dog near by, he didnt see it in the car? Man left in hurry? Was there any unusual notes? Papers on the body? or did that man give anth to woman? was there one car? Also i think that this strange man has a some kind of desise, blood on the gum, i think it is his, he spitted it out, but there are also alot of correct questions to ask, if there will be any opportunity try not to waste it, we speeking with a live witness here

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This is starting to get really awesome. I came here from Twitter too, that was just way to confusing. They should've set up an official message board IMO but whatever. Cant wait to see what happens next..

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ShindoW wrote:
This is starting to get really awesome. I came here from Twitter too, that was just way to confusing. They should've set up an official message board IMO but whatever. Cant wait to see what happens next..


What are you talking about....Unfiction is always the official message board for every game Wink

I can't access twitter from here so please post his replies in here for us twitter challenged ppl.

If anyone is in there, just ask him to tell us what he remembers. That's what a cop would do let him tell his side ask questions from there, add questions about evidence from there...

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Got to go. zzleep. Hopetht ws hlpful. Wish i cluda done more for youh. Im usless i kno.
about 5 hours ago from web

RT @rept0n @sleeperinthesun - take care - might we hear from you tomorrow, or later? -- don't know. jsut want to forget all this...
about 5 hours ago from web

RT @Nugski @sleeperinthesun Why wont he see you? -- cos im a mess
about 6 hours ago from web

RT @raian1724 @sleeperinthesun do you want to sleep now? where will you sleep? -- anywher i can
about 6 hours ago from web

RT @5079jeff @sleeperinthesun do you have some safe place to stay? perhaps with your friend you moved out from? -- he wont see me anymroe
about 6 hours ago from web

im real tired now
about 6 hours ago from web

RT @KrmsonButterfly @sleeperinthesun some of us really rely on you at the moment -- i just wish idd a been sober
about 6 hours ago from web

Or maybe some of you are right im just a sad old drunk imagining things
about 6 hours ago from web

RT @Gekidami @sleeperinthesun coming from the car? -- ha. for all i kno it mighta been coming from me
about 6 hours ago from web

one more thing i dfenitely heard crying
about 6 hours ago from web

RT @smackywolf @sleeperinthesun It's OK, makes sense.. don't worry man, it's fine. -- thanks. sounds freaky i know but I'm sure about this
about 6 hours ago from web

im telling you he drove off in the dam pasenger seat!!
about 6 hours ago from web

RT @Benismo @sleeperinthesun Maybe he had someone picking him up, did you see the driver? -- no-one else with him. he was driving WRONG side
about 6 hours ago from web

yeah thats it - it Looked like guy drove off In PAssenger seat of his car!
about 6 hours ago from web

gimme a sec
about 6 hours ago from web

RT @takezohimura @sleeperinthesun did you see a car fleeing? -- Rememberd something! something wierd about the way the guy drove off...
about 6 hours ago from web

wish i could ride in a helicopter
about 6 hours ago from web

maybe they saw him?
about 6 hours ago from web

helicopters! think there was a helicopter above. Always helicpters. Clattering. Keep me awake
about 6 hours ago from web

thas better
about 6 hours ago from web

i know what your thinking but i cant get thru this without it
about 6 hours ago from web

RT @leandromafe @sleeperinthesun no, don't! You better than that! -- no i aint
about 6 hours ago from web

not tonight tho hang on i just got to get a drink, 2 minutes
about 6 hours ago from web

hey okay! I know i have a problem. Im joining a support group. Try and kick it.
about 6 hours ago from web

RT @KuraiAurion @sleeperinthesun So this man smokes with her everyday too? -- no. she wasnt there. but shes out there every day smoking
about 6 hours ago from web

sory ive had a few - needed it to get me through this
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @Eagleofnone @sleeperinthesun: was there a man there too? -- yeah but like i said i dint get a real good look at the guy
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @chazfox172 @sleeperinthesun Does this woman wear lipstick? -- think so.
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @laydeehmorse @sleeperinthesun thats weird! So she doesn't smoke a whole cigarette? -- yeah expensive habit when you do it like that
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @Handige_Harry @sleeperinthesun why did you run away from the cops? -- because I was scared, Okay? cops dont like homeless people much
about 7 hours ago from web

yeah its weird she just coms outside, twice a day, lights up, takes a couple puffs and puts it out
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @rjfbakker @sleeperinthesun Do you think this smoking woman has seen something? -- dont think so. But i See her out smoking every day
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @FirsTrite @sleeperinthesun Did you see someone smoke? -- hey yeah! theres a woman from across the street that smokes in the courtyard
about 7 hours ago from web

never seen rain like that. never.
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @slatz22 @sleeperinthesun The spit probably got washed away in the heavy rain. -- Of course Your right. sorry stupid of me
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @Camero9907 @sleeperinthesun How did you know it was a man? -- he coughed & spat. You can tell. Didnt get a real look at him tho
about 7 hours ago from web

could do you do that dna thing and track him that way?
about 7 hours ago from web

hey - when I was hiding I heard him spit a couple times
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @MadPubae @sleeperinthesun you're doing fine! -- thx. im tryin
about 7 hours ago from web

everyone im real sorry i wish I coule be more help to ya
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @raian1724 @sleeperinthesun what is that vice? -- i drink, okay?
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @Ollie_Q @sleeperinthesun do u smoke? -- no. i only really gt time for one vice...
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @CJCampbell81 @sleeperinthesun she is safe, she called the police -- oh okay Glad to hear that
about 7 hours ago from web

you find her? speak to her?
about 7 hours ago from web

thought I saw a woamn at the window for a second, just before the cops showd up
about 7 hours ago from web

got on something else - a light went on, upstairs apartment
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @IceCuban @sleeperinthesun were their any barbed fences around? -- dont think so but it sure is That kind of part of town
about 7 hours ago from web

RT @NECR0M00SE @sleeperinthesun Why is the coffee so expensive? -- im just Guessin. looked like it was from a nice uptown Place
about 8 hours ago from web

RT @Person678 @sleeperinthesun was there a photo of a little boy anywhere? -- dont think so woulda Remembered something lik that
about 8 hours ago from web

now if it was beer can or a vodka bottle youd find a dozen ha
about 8 hours ago from web

doc told me to give coffee up. told me to give a lotta things up
about 8 hours ago from web

RT @nick_gc @sleeperinthesun Was anyone drinking coffee? -- not me dont drink it, but yeah i saw an empty cup someone had thrown away...
about 8 hours ago from web

id say that cup didnt belong to no-one from around here
about 8 hours ago from web

not the kinda place where alot of people drink $3 cups of coffee!
about 8 hours ago from web

@nick_gc @sleeperinthesun Was anyone drinking coffee? -- not me dont drink it, but yeah i saw an empty cup someone had thrown away...
about 8 hours ago from web

RT @mo31040 @sleeperinthesun what kind of dog? -- didnt see it just think I heard It barkin
about 8 hours ago from web

RT @smackywolf @sleeperinthesun Are you OK? -- i've been better buddy
about 8 hours ago from web
maybe the killer had a dog?
about 8 hours ago from web

RT @Serious365 @sleeperinthesun did you see a murder? -- i think so...
about 8 hours ago from web
I had a dog when I was a kid. Cant remember his name
about 8 hours ago from web

RT @NederlandGokken @sleeperinthesun did you hear someone blow on a whistle? -- no but there was a dog barking! dont know whos
about 8 hours ago from web

pleas dont ask me to abot that i cant think about it
about 8 hours ago from web

cant talk about the body - too horrible - too horrible
about 8 hours ago from web

it was dark n raining and to be honest Id had few drinks
about 8 hours ago from web

RT @raian1724 @sleeperinthesun did you see a lady on the phone? -- gimme a sec gotta get my head straight, gotta get things in order
about 8 hours ago from web

it was So damn awful - if I can help I will but I dint see that much
about 8 hours ago from web

RT @Tramain1987 @sleeperinthesun what did you see? -- something real bad
about 8 hours ago from web

Hate sayin it like tht but I dont want to lie
about 8 hours ago from web

Dont get yr hopes up tho as I have a substance abuse issue
about 8 hours ago from web

just send me yr questions
about 8 hours ago from web

I want to help - ill try to remember everything I saw
about 9 hours ago from web

Okay I know now it was real
about 9 hours ago from web


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n_i_c_k
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He must have responded to the questions he wanted to answer/or were most significant. Although at the moment I don't think we have any certain answers.

He's just tweeted saying that he hopes we find him.

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Lovely Luke
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Ok, so the numbers written on the pictures of the tire marks correspond to the dimensions of the tread, and the pressure pushing down on it.

LBF/in2 stands for pound-force per square inch. The most interesting picture is this one: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?mode=attach&id=20279

because the way that little diagram is drawn would lead you to believe that the car was heavier on the right hand side, but according to the numbers, it was heavier on the left, so I don't really know what to make of that.

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heavy rain
heavy rain

did anyone think maybe that it was a mailtruck. that would explain why it was heavier on the left side even though the guy was on the right side.

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h311b3nt
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Here are my thoughts so far, just hypothesis for the hive (be warned I am a geek who over-thinks everything)….
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Origami Killer (OK) is a man
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@sleeperinthesun How did you know it was a man? -- he coughed & spat. You can tell. Didnt get a real look at him tho


OK is probably driving a RHD car.
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im telling you he drove off in the dam pasenger seat!!
RT @Benismo @sleeperinthesun Maybe he had someone picking him up, did you see the driver? -- no-one else with him. he was driving WRONG side
yeah thats it - it Looked like guy drove off In PAssenger seat of his car!
RT @takezohimura @sleeperinthesun did you see a car fleeing? -- Rememberd something! something wierd about the way the guy drove off...

We also know that the story is taking place in the US due to the paper that is reporting the murders is called the American Tribune (debatable but I believe this is correct). With Sleeper's account & knowing that we are talking about the US means 1 of 3 things:

1) He is driving a foreign car. Personal vehicles sold in the US are LHD meaning that this car was manufactured for a different country (UK, Japan, HK/China) If so perhaps OK is an immigrant. With the affinity for Origami maybe from Japan. So OK may be Japanese or I recently lived in Japan (Military). The boot print at the crime scene look as though they could be military (though I don't know first hard)

2) He is driving a commercial vehicle that has RHD for utilitarian purposes (delivery truck, mail carrier, trash truck, parking enforcement, Water/Gas Meter inspection, etc) If so perhaps OK is driving his work vehicle or purchase a used work vehicle. If OK is PerfectFolds, then we know that OK just got a $400 bill to get work done on his car. Maybe he is driving his work car until he can get it fixed? I believe that we can cancel out it being a large truck. First off, Sleeper said he saw a car. Secondly, OK was driving the car that left the tread marks in picture 12. They are the freshest tracks because they are the only ones that caused discoloration with the surrounding area. These are not the tracks of a delivery truck or trash truck.

3) Sleeper is wrong and OK was not alone. Maybe he could not see the driver from his vantage point (child driving perhaps?) If so than it would explain the crying Sleeper heard.
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RT @Gekidami @sleeperinthesun coming from the car? -- ha. for all i kno it mighta been coming from me
one more thing i dfenitely heard crying
Speaking OOG, we believe that OK kidnaps children and then tortures the parent or has the parent self-mutilate. So maybe, there was a child in the car (driving, in the trunk, etc)


Also, there is a disproportion in weight in the tire tread in picture 12. None sure what it means yet. The lbf/in2 (pound force per square inch) could say on the Left is 38 and the Right is 81 meaning that he is sitting on the right of the car, which would support Sleeper's story. But this means OK is big, real big.
One could say that the 81 on the right really is a 21 which blows this theory unless the tires on the car were installed backwards and the tracks are coming towards us. OR this story is in the UK OK got into the left side of the car (which would be the passenger side) and drove off . This would account for the heavier weight on the left side.
Lastly, I would think that a car speeding off would have a heavier lbf/in2 on the tire that would be on the outside of a turn which would be consistent with the path of the tread. (But I am no tire tread expert)


The murder took place at that location.
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RT @Serious365 @sleeperinthesun did you see a murder? -- i think so...

Sleeper does not says that he found a dead body…he says he saw (or thinks he saw) a murder occurring. In picture 5 we also have footprints in what appears to be a struggle. There are prints in many directions, none appear to be in a straight line (from someone walking through casually) The foot prints appear to be fresh because they are clearly defined. With it raining hard, any older prints would have been more obscured one would think. There is nothing that looks like dragging or someone carrying anything (heavy straight tracks). Of course, Sleeper was stumbling all over the crime scene so many of these could be him too.

OK does not live in the area.
This is debatable…but if OK drove there and there was a struggle…than it is more likely that the items found at the scene shook out during the scuffle and came from either the victim or OK . So we have the high-end coffee cup in a crappy neighborhood. I mean there is mud in the courtyard with choppers circling overhead and Sleeper says it is the type of place to have barbed wire. Sounds like "Boyz n the Hood" to me. However, from the sounds of PerfectFolds apartment, he does not sound like is in the best area too. His hatred of the city may mean he is lives in the city.
Plus OK drove his victim there.

OK is a smoker.
There were 2 cigarette butts at the crime scene. It can be deduced that one of the butts is unrelated to the case and belongs to the lady who sneaks cigarettes there.
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yeah its weird she just coms outside, twice a day, lights up, takes a couple puffs and puts it out

RT @rjfbakker @sleeperinthesun Do you think this smoking woman has seen something? -- dont think so. But i See her out smoking every day

RT @FirsTrite @sleeperinthesun Did you see someone smoke? -- hey yeah! theres a woman from across the street that smokes in the courtyard
I believe that this is her gum too. People who are trying to quit often chew gum and women's gum frequently gets lipstick mixed into it. Also, smokers think that chewing gum masks the smell of smoke (though it does not work smokers! FYI) So I think she sneaks out, grabs a couple of puffs, litters the butt, chews some gum to clean up her breath, litters that, and then goes back to where ever she came from. That leaves worn down cigarette 2.
This would also account for OK coughing a couple times.

…..OR…..OK is sick.
This would account for the gum (if that is blood in the gum) and the tissue.
Crime analysis would be able to determine if the red in the gum is lipstick or blood so maybe we will find out which.

I want to say that OK had a dog with him and that's why a whistle was found at the scene. Maybe even that OK is a cop (commercial automobile, dog, whistle for traffic etc) however it seems weird that a cop would need to read the paper to hear about bad news. I mean cops are there when bad news happens, right?


I really think that our next clue is going to involve that half torn flyer. There is going to be a website or something that ties back to that logo…but we will have to wait and see about that.

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Re: heavy rain
heavy rain

pattonyr wrote:
did anyone think maybe that it was a mailtruck. that would explain why it was heavier on the left side even though the guy was on the right side.

that's a possibility they drive on the left side too, but sleeper does say car i think he would've said delivery van or mail truck if t was that.
the car could've had a heavier passenger on the left side.

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I think the chewing gum is the woman's because she wears liptsick , smokes two puffs of a cigarette, chew some gum and spits it out because she dosn't want someone to know she's smoking.

I think the tissue is OK's. If we get to choose what to analayse for DNA, I think it should be the tissue. I think he has a cold. It's raining season meaning more than likely it's also ripe for people to get colds.

I think there was a kid in the trunk of the car.

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I am at http://www.precinct52.com/case1117_briefing now - which evidences I have to choose to not fail?

I've tried every combination Razz To combine tires photos, footprints that suggested struggle, second cigarette burn, gum with blood, and nothing happens.

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