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[SPEC] The Durga<->Melissa connection through time

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raw19
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xnbomb wrote:

I can't see how a 21st century webserver, with its available processing power and storage could contain her consciousness to any significant degree

hehe, I was wondering when that was going to come up :-p

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:00 pm

raw19
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GunsmithCat wrote:

...but we don't have any indication that she can willing travel across slipstream herself.

However, the Halo mythos also doesn't support the notion. Cortana must be placed in a physical construct to be carried around. She can hack into nearby networks and have a peek, but it's more similar to Durga hacking into chatternets and listening on to the happenings.

The Operator being on the Apacalypso would explain this. I'm just not sure if there's any evidence that was her ship.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:03 pm

Secretariat
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Wow.

Really neat spec here.

Reading the description of the Operator being something that's not confined to a single computer--

what if the Operator is a combination of a virus, spyware and a distributed computing program?

Programs like SETI@Home uses processor cycles on idle computers to analyze data. A program, installed on the computer, downloads data from the Internet, analyzes it and transmits it back to a central server.

So, the virus/spyware half would go around infecting other computers, installing the Operator's transmission protocol, etc, while the distributed computing part is the actual AI.

Distributed computing would allow a linked network of 21st-century servers to behave as the equivalent of one large Halo-era processor.

...to use a brain metaphor, the Internet itself becomes a brain for an AI, with each individual computer acting as a neuron, the 'consciousness" being the Melissa/Operator software, and the axons being telephone/Ethernet/fiber-optic cable?

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:04 pm

GunsmithCat
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raw19 wrote:

GunsmithCat wrote:

The Operator being on the Apacalypso would explain this. I'm just not sure if there's any evidence that was her ship.

The only evidence is her mention of the word "Apocalypse". We don't have a description of the Apocalypso nor do we know it "trajectory".

But I don't see how that explains how she could travel the slipstream herself. The Apocalypso could, but transmitting the electonic imprint of a conscious mind through space and time is a pretty different scenario.

I mean, it was one leap of faith to get that she got -here- somehow. Having her do this trick twice, or doing it in two places at the same time ... it just seems we're moving out of the realm where we can blame it on artifact we know so little about.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:07 pm

raw19
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GunsmithCat wrote:

raw19 wrote:

GunsmithCat wrote:

The Operator being on the Apacalypso would explain this. I'm just not sure if there's any evidence that was her ship.

ok, let's [SPEC] that the Apacalypso was the Operator's ship.
We know the Apacalypso was in lunar orbit.
It seems reasonable to [SPEC] that if close enough (in orbit) to Earth, The Operator has the ability to transfer herself down to a computer on the planet.
When she transferred herself down to the planet, the crystal caused interference, splitting her up and sending her back in time.

no slipstream needed.

does that clear it up?

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:15 pm

MeKiwi
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MeKiwi wrote:

I'm not so sure I beleive the WAV files are being transmitted TO her. Melissa says that new voices are intercepted weekly. Doesn't "intercepted" imply that she was not the intended recipient??

Hi guys, sorry to bring up something I already brought up earlier, but I'm still trying to work this one through too. I'm hoping someone out there has the technical know-how to answer this question: if a transmission is being sent from transmitter A to receiver B and somewhere along the line spy C "intercepts" the transmission, does that kill the transmission (ie does it end at C) or does the transmission continue to travel and still make it to B as well? In other words, which is correct:

(option 1)
A ----> C B (B never receives transmission)

(option 2)
A-----> C -----> B (C intercepts transmission but it continues to B)

I suppose either way, if C really wanted the transmission to die, it could just jam the frequency or something...?

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:16 pm

GunsmithCat
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raw19 wrote:

No, because distance isn't the problem. The problem is that we don't have any evidence on how an AI like Melissa could completely move from one physical location to another.

The artifact is the closest thing we have to explaining the time travel aspect alone, but even that is spec at best and borders on wild spec. We assume it's Forerunner, but only through knowledge of the Haloverse, and we know previous Forerunner artifacts have certain effects on time and space.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:18 pm

raw19
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MeKiwi wrote:

I'm not so sure I beleive the WAV files are being transmitted TO her. Melissa says that new voices are intercepted weekly. Doesn't "intercepted" imply that she was not the intended recipient??

from Dictionary.com:
in�ter�cept ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ntr-spt)
tr.v. in�ter�cept�ed, in�ter�cept�ing, in�ter�cepts
To stop, deflect, or interrupt the progress or intended course of: intercepted me with a message as I was leaving.
Sports.
To gain possession of (an opponent's pass), as in football or basketball.
To gain possession of a pass made by (an opponent), especially in football.
Mathematics. To include or bound (a part of a space or curve) between two points or lines.
Archaic. To prevent.
Obsolete. To cut off from access or communication.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:19 pm

MeKiwi
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raw19 wrote:

I say the conversation takes place before. (snip)...(clip)
If she operated the Apacalypso, and is under the influence of the Flea, is it possible she took the ship to Earth under his influence?

Hmm, so are you suggesting that the Flea basically got the Operator "drunk" and made her jump to Earth? Because obviously the Flea itself doesn't know where Earth is. Hmm... do you think it's possible for the Flea to corrupt the Operator enough that the Operator will actually disregard orders (such as "jump to so-and-so")? Possible, I guess. Or maybe the Flea tricked the Operator into thinking that the 'so-and-so' Captain Greene said was really "Earth". I just really don't think Captain Greene would *knowingly* jump to Earth after she found out that the Operator was probably infected with a Covie virus. In fact, if I were Captain Greene, I think Imight 'switch to manual' immediately, what with the import of the mission and of the secrecy of Earth's location...

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:22 pm

MeKiwi
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raw19 wrote:

Okay, so it continues on to C then...

...

Heh, j/k. Anyway, if that's truly the case with radio/slipspace transmissions as well, then I'd like to know who these transmissions were intended for, if not for Melissa/us. What in the world would either the Flea or the SP want with these stories?? Other than the Hello/Goodbye arc, none of it is very military-related...

Hmm, this definition of "intercept" makes me wonder... is it even possible to "intercept" a radio transmission, then? How can you actually STOP the radio waves when they're not even very directed, unless you're at the very source of the transmitter... don't the waves spread out over area?

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:25 pm

raw19
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GunsmithCat wrote:

ok. I agree, there is no evidence that the transfer is possible. Is there evidence that it is IMpossible? I know cortana could interface with the Halo systems without physically touching them. Are you sure that a physical connection must be present for an AI transfer to take place?

as xnbomb says, this is [SPEC]ulation. your input is welcome.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:28 pm

GunsmithCat
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raw19 wrote:

GunsmithCat wrote:

Because if it was possible normally, Cortana wouldn't need a chip to interface with MC"s suit. She'd just beam herself over there. She can interface with other systems, hack into networks, listen to chatter, etc. - but it's the difference to pickup a phone and boarding a plane to her.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:29 pm

MeKiwi
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GunsmithCat wrote:

Except, for all we know, they may have large receivers built into many buildings etc. for "beaming" AIs... maybe MC just didn't have such a receiver because they were large (like a big satellite dish or something). I mean, who knows? Maybe the Operator beamed herself to someone's "AI receiver" and then stumbled across the network until she found Jersey and Genie...

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:33 pm

raw19
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GunsmithCat wrote:

Maybe it's the amount of effort needed. I could e-mail myself some files from work to home, sending them over the internet, but it's much easier to stick in my USB drive, download them, and carry them home.

Also, maybe Cortana didn't exactly want to be interfaced with the MC's suit. I mean, they were going into battle. There's a good chance his suit was going to get damaged, to the point where she couldn't tranfer herself back. On the chance that he dies, she probably felt better having her own little removable chip to hide out on until someone came and collected her.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:37 pm

GunsmithCat
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raw19 wrote:

GunsmithCat wrote:

Maybe it's the amount of effort needed. I could e-mail myself some files from work to home, sending them over the internet, but it's much easier to stick in my USB drive, download them, and carry them home.

Also, maybe Cortana didn't exactly want to be interfaced with the MC's suit. I mean, they were going into battle. There's a good chance his suit was going to get damaged, to the point where she couldn't tranfer herself back. On the chance that he dies, she probably felt better having her own little chip to hide out on until someone came and collected her.

No, because if she had the ability to beam herself like your suggesting, she would just beam herself to another construct, like the Pillar of Autumn.

If she was on a chip, she would be much more vulnerable. One bootstep, no Cortana.

To put it another way, 343 Guilty Spark is probably much more powerful than Cortana, and he is stuck to his globe.

The only evidence we've got to help explain the movement of AIs is the artifact, but the problem is that we've go pretty much no information about it.

Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:45 pm

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