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[PUZZLE]Lightcycle Schematics
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[PUZZLE]Lightcycle Schematics

From the FL discussion forums, we were given links to two Lightcycle "schematics." Those can be found HERE and HERE. It's very possible that both the URLs and the pictures themselves have some significance.

Mr. Toasty has posted cleaned up versions of both of the images HERE.

Discuss.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:23 pm
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There has got to be something in the domains and codes within the schematics.

Codes:
X7G9055V4G01
06Y922X01M33

Domain URL (add .net):
n8xd93f2rk077px1n6wdq839m0
qm6k3pshu8rr302kv6xej8p72s

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:22 am
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Broklynite
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So using the attached image and a barcode reader, I got the following results:

Type 'EAN8' and value '66175209'

Type 'EAN8' and value '88871172'

Type 'EAN8' and value '66560340'

I'll be zooming a bit and playing around, see what else I get. I've already tried all three in derez and got nothing. I have not attempted to use it on the slip-card page (i.e. 66, 17, 52, 09)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:26 am
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Broklynite
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Splitting it up, I was able to find these. The rest my software was unable to find anything.
bc3.jpg
 Description   Results:Type 'I2of5' and value '65'

Type 'EAN8' and value '14021176'
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bc9.jpg
 Description   Type 'I2of5' and value '88'
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:34 am
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KNiGHTTiME
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just so people know where to get the full picture themselves:

http://qm6k3pshu8rr302kv6xej8p72s.net/qm6k3pshu8rr302kv6xej8p72s.png

http://n8xd93f2rk077px1n6wdq839m0.net/n8xd93f2rk077px1n6wdq839m0.png

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Okay, we've made some progress on one of the images over a couple of hours here.

("We," in this case, being Jason, Sylvia, and Electric Keet.)

We got to the previously "de-noised" version of the lightcycles by swapping columns of color in the image region over into the region of color-bars, then shifting the image data left into the region with the rest of the image. Presto, lightcycles, as advertised.

So, we repeated the process, noticing that there seemed to be interleavable regions of color in different columns. We selected chunks of colors and brought them together, one column at a time. We did entire columns (to avoid having this just be wishful manipulation), modified by the "comb" pattern that we used to resolve the original image (because it seemed to be key to everything.)

We managed to get the colors mostly-coherent. The exact ordering of the color columns may not be deterministic (and may be wrong); we had to make choices when we moved columns around, and we often had nothing to go on about which side should be moved to meet the other.

The light and dark blue lines, and the background colors on the right, have a few interesting properties now:

The light and dark blue lines and the background colors repeat themselves vertically. There's a region that's yellow all the way across: that region marks the end of the pattern, and below it, the lines begin over from the top of the image. (Note: We did NOTHING to the image to move things vertically. This is a real pattern, we didn't make it.)

Also, if you treat the light and dark blue lines as interchangable, there are a pair of places where the pattern has symmetry for a large area around a point. More interestingly, they're IDENTICAL, save for colors (the backgrounds are different in both, and some dark lines are light in mirror-image, and from one cycle to the other.)

(By the way, we believe the double-wide blue lines are actually two lines next to each other, since we've found a place where there's a dark and light line together, mirrored with a double-wide dark line.)

We also noticed that there are seven colors used in the colored region, which correspond amusingly well to ROYGBIV. (We're calling the light and dark blue lines "blue" and "indigo" to make that correspondence.)

Nothing's immediately decoding here, so we thought we'd push this up to the collective brain before we go to bed or insane (not sure which would come first, to be honest.)

- Jason

(Edited to shrink image descriptions. Original image descriptions follow:)

colors resolved:
We swapped columns of colors (sometimes only swapping regions in the "comb" pattern of some lines but not others), in order to bring regions of like color together - this created new columns of color, and eventually resolved the colors to this.

symmetries highlighted:
We found some symmetric regions in the light-and-dark blue bands, where lines were identical out from a central point. There were two symmetric regions, and the pattern in both was identical. We've drawn white recticles around both regions in this picture

detail of symmetries:
This is a highlight of the symmetries we found, with a pixel-ruler drawn in on the left that we used to check some details.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:59 am
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Hey everyone, I just had a thought!

Seeing as how any part of the flynn lives website is made by people looking for flynn, it would make sense that these pictures (found by flynn serchers on ANOTHER website) would probably NOT have anything to do with /derez.

I think we're looking to decode a message from Flynn himself, or another URL/IP address.

Can anyone find any correlation between the light cycle codes and the barcodes???

Broklynite wrote:
Splitting it up, I was able to find these. The rest my software was unable to find anything.


What about just scanning the part that Jasonw isolated as a pattern??

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It's in the main thread, but I thought I'd post my analysis on the codes here again.

Code:

Str1 (Light cycle concept)
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ASC:     X   7   G   9   0   5   5   V   4   G   0   1
hex:    58  37  47  39  30  35  35  56  34  47  30  31
dec:    88  55  71  57  48  53  53  86  52  71  48  49
Code tries:
ASC:   X7G9055V4G01
rot5:   X2G4500V9G56
rot13:   K7T9055I4T01
rot18:   K2T4500I9T56
stats: num chars=12 max=X(58), min=0(30), 8 digits, 4 letters

Str2 (Light cycle concept)
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ASC:     0   6   Y   9   2   2   X   0   1   M   3   3
hex:    30  36  59  39  32  32  58  30  31  4D  33  33
dec:    48  54  89  57  50  50  88  48  49  77  51  51
Code tries:
ASC:   06Y922X01M33
rot5:   51Y477X56M88
rot13:   06L922K01Z33
rot18:   51L477K56Z88
stats: num chars=12 max=Y(59), min=0(30), 9 digits, 3 letters

Str3 (URL of Light Cycle)
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ASC:     n   8   x   d   9   3   f   2   r   k   0   7   7   p   x   1   n   6   w   d   q   8   3   9   m   0
hex:    6E  38  78  64  39  33  66  32  72  6B  30  37  37  70  78  31  6E  36  77  64  71  38  33  39  6D  30
dec:   110  56 120 100  57  51 102  50 114 107  48  55  55 112 120  49 110  54 119 100 113  56  51  57 109  48
Code tries:
ASC:   n8xd93f2rk077px1n6wdq839m0
rot5:   n3xd48f7rk522px6n1wdq384m5
rot13:   a8kq93s2ex077ck1a6jqd839z0
rot18:   a3kq48s7ex522ck6a1jqd384z5
stats: num chars=26 max=x(78), min=0(30), 13 digits, 13 letters

Str4 (URL of Light Cycle)
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ASC:     q   m   6   k   3   p   s   h   u   8   r   r   3   0   2   k   v   6   x   e   j   8   p   7   2   s
hex:    71  6D  36  6B  33  70  73  68  75  38  72  72  33  30  32  6B  76  36  78  65  6A  38  70  37  32  73
dec:   113 109  54 107  51 112 115 104 117  56 114 114  51  48  50 107 118  54 120 101 106  56 112  55  50 115
Code tries:
ASC:   qm6k3pshu8rr302kv6xej8p72s
rot5:   qm1k8pshu3rr857kv1xej3p27s
rot13:   dz6x3cfuh8ee302xi6krw8c72f
rot18:   dz1x8cfuh3ee857xi1krw3c27f
stats: num chars=26 max=x(78), min=0(30), 10 digits, 16 letters

Str5 (a code from trading card at drop)
----
ASC:     W   Z   S   R   9   6   B   Z   C   3   C   W
hex:    57  5A  53  52  39  36  42  5A  43  33  43  57
dec:    87  90  83  82  57  54  66  90  67  51  67  87
Code tries:
ASC:   WZSR96BZC3CW
rot5:   WZSR41BZC8CW
rot13:   JMFE96OMP3PJ
rot18:   JMFE41OMP8PJ
stats: num chars=12 max=Z(5a), min=3(33), 3 digits, 9 letters



If anyone has any other common cryptographic ideas for how to decode those things, let me know. I'm out & about with family today, but I hope to check some other common code types.

Also, I thought maybe the two together would yield something (as they're 12 digits each, but each URL is 26), but no luck.

Also tried them as filenames with both URLs (together in both orders and separately).
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Hazado posted this earlier. I noticed that the two black bars are palindromic. each of them repeats themselves in reverse sequence when folded in half. I doubt it's significant but certainly worth taking note of.

PS - it's the two images laid over one another without the lightcycle drawings

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Repost from Main Thread - Moving to appropriate thread.

Here are both of the cycle schematics with all of the cycle removed from it. Just the colors, if someone wants to see if they can get anything out of it.



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hughesst wrote:


Hazado posted this earlier. I noticed that the two black bars are palindromic. each of them repeats themselves in reverse sequence when folded in half. I doubt it's significant but certainly worth taking note of.

PS - it's the two images laid over one another without the lightcycle drawings


Continuing with the palindromic thing. He is right the images when combined do become palindromic. I reversed the sequence and combined, and all the black line up. See the image below.

Ive got the psd format (Photoshop) if anyone wants it.



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What software did you use to "slide" the channels together?
Man those codes in the drawings are making me nuts., they aren't there for nothing.
Or are they, ARGH!!!

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My work, at least, was done in Photoshop. I'm betting that most of the other folks working on solving the images are using similar - Photoshop, or Gimp, or some other fairly high-end image-maniplation program. I can't speak for anyone else, though.

If I get a few spare hours, by the way, I want to see if I can resolve the columns in both images at once, the way we resolved them in the one. The "palindrome" people have been noticing might mean that the images line up and we can resolve all of the fringes to get a set of solid blocks of color. I need to get a spare evening first, though. If someone else wants to give it a shot before I get to it, I'd love to see the result!

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so you moved these slices one at a time?

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Well I know in Corel you have the ability to mask by row or column or any width as well. So you could in theory just click on the offset rows, create one big mask, and move everything as necessary. It doesn't have to be tedious Razz
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