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[PUZZLE]Lightcycle Schematics
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MOVIELORD101
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But what do these color patterns MEAN?!

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Broklynite
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MOVIELORD101 wrote:
But what do these color patterns MEAN?!


Well, that's what we're trying to figure out. But until we get the pattern properly sorted, we won't be able to figure it out. That's why I suggested the resistance table. ::shrugs:: Feel free to do some guessing.

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Broklynite wrote:
MOVIELORD101 wrote:
But what do these color patterns MEAN?!


Well, that's what we're trying to figure out. But until we get the pattern properly sorted, we won't be able to figure it out. That's why I suggested the resistance table. ::shrugs:: Feel free to do some guessing.
I think its either our enigmatic Derez codes in disguise or it's a message of some sort. VERY hard to tell.

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I played around with entering a few variations of the sequence as R,Y,G, etc today on the derez site with no luck. Didn't think it would result in anything, but am home sick today from work so figured I would give it a shot.
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Broklynite
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Okay, let's be logical about this, so we can at least remove a few possibilities.

We have lightcycle images, distorted as hell. Had they just wanted us to get sexy images, there would be no color codes. Therefore we can assume that the color codes are a code within a puzzle (that is, cleaning them up). It's probably meant, among other things, to keep us busy in quiet periods.

So, we have a color-based code. We have a tron game.

Question 1: does the key to this have anything to do with Tron? Answer: I suspect not. More likely, I think, it is meant as a general puzzle.

Question 2: Are the choice of the colors significant, or only the pattern?
Answer: I think the colors are significant. Since the drawings themselves are black and white, they could have kept the code in black and white. We can therefore assume that both the colors and the pattern they form are significant. By that I mean that I don't *think* that translating the lighter and darker or hotter and colder colors into simple binary 0's and 1's is the solution.

Question 3: Is the pattern a traditional code, or not? By this, I mean is it a code like the Baudot code, or is it meant to be based on just the colors like what I was saying before about resisters.
Answer: I suspect the latter. My reasoning is thus: it would be too easy and quick to translate. Look at the whole chestplate translation we went through. There were so very many possibilities. It turned out to be relativly simple. Nonetheless, it wasn't just a straightforward binary code, or a hex code. I think it's more likely that the colors will be converted to numbers which we will then need to subsequently analyze, same as the chestplate.

Question 4: What kinds of numbers?
Answer: Dunno. Could be hex HTML. Resistors. Morse code, perhaps. I have a suspicion that the one line of colors which is out of sync with the others may be meant as a line break. Rememebr the chestplate, where all four lights lighting up was meant as a pause. They could have used a second black line, but this is more mysterious. Or maybe it's meant ot be put in a different order.

One thing I'd like to see- there are two lightcycle images I believe. We've been concnetrating on one but maybe we need to look at both and compare the two.

Okay, I've said my piece.

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So I used colorpic, a free color picking software, on the original images. Below I've pasted the hex colors it found. Two curiosities:

1. There are small blue lines which I never noticed before.
2. It looks as though there are two slightly differnt shades of yellow. One is predominant, the other is found generally only on lines directly next to a white line, which leads me to suspect that it was unintentional. So, the colors below are the most frequently encountered.

yellow FFFC01
RED FE0000
ORANGE FF5500
BLACK 000000
PURPLE 5B009D
GREEN 13CA00
BLUE 00A5FF

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Broklynite wrote:
So I used colorpic, a free color picking software, on the original images. Below I've pasted the hex colors it found. Two curiosities:

1. There are small blue lines which I never noticed before.
2. It looks as though there are two slightly differnt shades of yellow. One is predominant, the other is found generally only on lines directly next to a white line, which leads me to suspect that it was unintentional. So, the colors below are the most frequently encountered.

yellow FFFC01
RED FE0000
ORANGE FF5500
BLACK 000000
PURPLE 5B009D
GREEN 13CA00
BLUE 00A5FF

So how do those fit in with the current state of this ARG? I'm confused? I know where they originated from, but how can they help us proceed? And yes I read your earlier post.

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I don't know- it may or it may not. I'm putting it up because I'll be working on it later but certainly I don't guarentee that I'll see anything. I'm hoping that maybe by replacing the colors with their hex equivalents that something will turn up.

You say that you read my earlier post, but I'll quote it again here:
"I think it's more likely that the colors will be converted to numbers which we will then need to subsequently analyze, same as the chestplate.

Question 4: What kinds of numbers?
Answer: Dunno. Could be hex HTML. Resistors. Morse code, perhaps. I have a suspicion that the one line of colors which is out of sync with the others may be meant as a line break. Rememebr the chestplate, where all four lights lighting up was meant as a pause. They could have used a second black line, but this is more mysterious. Or maybe it's meant ot be put in a different order. "

I'm honestly not sure how else to explain it to you if you still don't understand. As for the "current state of the ARG" I take that term to mean us spinning our wheels and trying to analyze the small amount of possibly data that we have while waiting for the trailer/press conference.

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I just need to point out that the colors don't *need* to mean anything... They could simply be noise.
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Broklynite
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Nighthawk wrote:
I just need to point out that the colors don't *need* to mean anything... They could simply be noise.


You are absolutely right- but until we get something, anything, to work on it's about all we have.

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myestro- wanna meet tonight on the IRC? I thoguht maybe you might wanna bounce some ideas back and forth a little.

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Broklynite wrote:
myestro- wanna meet tonight on the IRC? I thoguht maybe you might wanna bounce some ideas back and forth a little.


If i find time tonight I will look you up...in the meantime...took a deep breath and went at these bars one more time with a different perspective.

I just did color fills on raw cycle images figuring that the bars would sort themselves out as you "slide" them into place.

What is interesting is that it is easier to identify duplicate data and datafileds that have been slid over 5 columns (that magic number again)

Even more interesting is the little bar codes with the purple in it floating out in the middle of nowhere like a sore thumb.

My theory is the bulk of the color bars is just "noise" as mentioned recently - but the small bar code sequence with purple bars are most likely the embedded code..if there is actually a code.

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I see what you're saying. That makes a lot of sense. But what about the blue lines?

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Broklynite wrote:
I see what you're saying. That makes a lot of sense. But what about the blue lines?


Sorry..I missed you tonight...anyways...extracted the FIVE bar codes from the two images...there it is again..that pesky "FIVE".

I feel the black and blue lines are just "noise".

anyways - you can read these codes either left to right or right to left (top to bottom) depending on orientation. The original images were (portrait) on the website...but can also rotate the image to match a natural viewing orientation of the sketches (landscape) ...so I am not sure which way they were meant to be read.

btw - notice how the left side column is used to help us "find" the last bar of the code string as it was slid down out of alignment.

this exaplains the mystery of that left side column's existence.

We are getting close! We have to be!



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i love all the work that is happening here and i really hope it leads to something amazing. at the same time though i can't help but wonder if 42E is just reading all of this and laughing their asses off. i guess that's the beauty of it all though, not knowing if you're right and then eventual awesomeness of stumbling on the answer.

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