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Puzzle? AGP: Park Layout
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kimer
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 		Puzzle? AGP: Park Layout
Looks like we've got work to do kids..... see http://www.ashgrovepark.com/layout.html

And if you click on items at bottom you see these two:
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/plotmap.html
http://www.ashgrovepark.com/garden.html
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dmax
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 		SPEC: how to solve it?
Place the last initial of the appropriate dead person in the appropriate squares on the plot layout grid.

Lay out that grid (16 of them, repeated) in a 4grid x 4grid pattern.
That will make a pattern of initials as large as (with as many squares as) the garden maze.

Overlay the garden maze with the initials layout and look for something intelligble?

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Aveena
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 		Garden of Pears maze
Grumpboy showed up in chat and informed us that the Garden of Pears maze is actually a data matrix code, a type of barcode. Some info on data matrices is here.

So, using that info, there are a couple of downloadable demos out there that will decode the matrix (here and here).

So, taking a bmp of the maze pic and running it through a decoder gives us:

oje xqhp wenlgsw goivwa
hesx sv oje xxkbx mu ndheeo
ojs wsvn nvo nxspo jbxe gpm ndhopm
ggoj ojso sv mgpm ojn nzq lmlfqqbg

That's as far as we've gotten in chat so far

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konamouse
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 		Internment List
If we take the first initial of all the last names and place them into the plotmap, following the layout (10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 on the first line, 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 on the second, etc):

C I K E B B S C N E
A T U F S K O Y Z Q
D R V W X D W G L I
G N O H P P U V X M
L M Q Y Z F R H T A
E M F G D D G I E A
B Y U O C C M O Q F
Q V Z W S B N U Y L
A P T X R R S Z X P
H J K N L K H V W T

Is this a puzzle or red herring. Should we use the first intials of the first names instead? Does it play a role in the maze puzzle? Ah, so many questions. This should keep us busy all weekend.
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 		I noticed that the "maze" certainly doesn't look like one....and also noticed that if you start with a quadrant that obviously has two inside edges, there is only one (I think) way to cut the quadrants so that each one has two outside edges. Then of course there's only one way to put them together. All the "white trail" lines match up and you also end up with a white square in the center.

This probably means nothing, but thought I would mention it in any case, and now that I see there's some type of decoding going on, maybe it will decode to something else when put together the way I've described (if it even made any sense)

~cem

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 		Forget that...there is more than one way to put them together so the "white trails" fit. Sorry.

~cem

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 		cem, i thought the exact same thing. but it's a bar code... wish i would've known that before printing, cutting, merging, etc... Smile
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 		Veen,

Can you split the matrix up into four 20x20 squares and run them through your decoder for me please?

Jim

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mopi
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 		split up garden image?
i tried splitting the garden image into four quadrants and testing them for data matrix recognition and they fail Sad i suppose i can try rearranging them and seeing if that helps any.

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 		rearranging quadrants
the image with rearranged quadrants doesn't get recognized as a data matrix in any of the combinations i've tried so far. i think with the error checking built into the format that we're supposed to be using the image as-is, cause it seems pretty hard to get a false positive reading.

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 		Re: rearranging quadrants
mopi wrote:
the image with rearranged quadrants doesn't get recognized as a data matrix in any of the combinations i've tried so far. i think with the error checking built into the format that we're supposed to be using the image as-is, cause it seems pretty hard to get a false positive reading.

Thanks for that. Do you get the same result as what was posted above? It would be good to get confirmation on that before we spend hours trying to decipher it.

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Caterpillar
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 		Re: Internment List
konamouse wrote:
If we take the first initial of all the last names and place them into the plotmap, following the layout (10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 on the first line, 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 on the second, etc):

C I K E B B S C N E
A T U F S K O Y Z Q
D R V W X D W G L I
G N O H P P U V X M
L M Q Y Z F R H T A
E M F G D D G I E A
B Y U O C C M O Q F
Q V Z W S B N U Y P
A P T X R R S Z X P
H J K N L K H V W T


The last "P" on the 8th line should be an "L". And not sure if it's significant or not but there are a lot of "two-letter runs". And with every letter of the alphabet represented in an internment list of 100....what are the odds? (At least I know our little cemetery has nowhere near every letter of the alphabet and twice as many people...usually alot from the same family name.) Anyway, I guess I just put it here for perusal:)

C I K E B B S C N E
A T U F S K O Y Z Q
D R V W X D W G L I
G N O H P P U V X M
L M Q Y Z F R H T A
E M F G D D G I E A
B Y U O C C M O Q F
Q V Z W S B N U Y L
A P T X R R S Z X P
H J K N L K H V W T

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 		Substitution cipher?
Aveena wrote:
oje xqhp wenlgsw goivwa
hesx sv oje xxkbx mu ndheeo
ojs wsvn nvo nxspo jbxe gpm ndhopm
ggoj ojso sv mgpm ojn nzq lmlfqqbg


Could this be a simple substitution cipher, written backwards? Not many words start with double-something (like "ggoj"), but it's a common end.
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Aveena
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 		Re: rearranging quadrants
mottjr wrote:
Do you get the same result as what was posted above? It would be good to get confirmation on that before we spend hours trying to decipher it.


Last night in chat grumpyboy and danman (i think) both got the same results using either one or both of the decoding programs that I posted above. There may be other programs out there that could be tried, but so far we've all gotten the same results.

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 		When you split the layout into quadrants using last initials, there are 25 unique letters in each quadrant where either i or j is missing. I feel fairly confident saying that we are likely looking at some sort of variation of the Playfair cipher which works on letter pairs instead of a one to one substitution. It also utilizes this type of alphabet square.

I've tried as many variations as my brain can handle today so I'm throwing this out to the group to mull over. This is why I was asking about the data matrix decoding.

Here is the layout broken up into quadrants:

[edited] That didn't work, so here is each quadrant reading each row left to right:

cikebatufsdrvwxgnohplmqyz
bscnekoyzqdwglipuvxmfrhta
emfgdbyuocqvzwsaptxrhjknl
dgieacmoqfbnuylrszxpkhvwt

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