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[QUESTION][SPEC] Cole Protocol, the Apocolypso, and You
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SuperJerms
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[QUESTION][SPEC] Cole Protocol, the Apocolypso, and You

So key_lime.wav reveals that a human ship, the Apocolypso, did in fact crash out of slipstream travel and landed in orbit around Earth. Obviously, we'll know more as we get more wav's, but I still think we should spec for a bit about this.

The Cole protocol states that any endangered craft must either do a blind jump into space or self-destruct in order to avoid capture at the hands of the Covenant. Now, we don't know that the Apocolypso was being chased by the Covenanent, but we do know that this was a crash. If something was going haywire enough to cause a crash, why was the Apoc headed for Earth in the first place? Seems like a violation of Cole protocol.

The odds of randomly jumping to Earth are absolutely nil. If a ship entered into an atmosphere incorrectly, it would burn up on re-entry like a meteor. I also assume that the danger of making a blind slipspace jump would be turining into a crater on the side of a planet if you hadn't first calculated to make sure none were in your path.

Perhaps this was a catastrophic crash, and the ship was lucky enough to "pull out" of it at the last possible second. This is the most obvious spec (and was my first inclination), but the more I think about it, the more I come back to the Cole Protocol. Violating the CP would be single-handedly losing the war for us. It would probably cause a chaotic meltdown when people found out. It begs the question...if this was or was cause by a catastrophe, what commander in his or her right mind would violate the Cole Protocol and endanger Earth? Also, I would expect much more excited conversation in our .wavs than we have thus far, unless it was kept secret (and I don't think it could be kept secret).

Maybe the crash was not very severe (a light bump into the proverbial garage door). A rather vanilla explaination, but I get the feeling that coming out of slipspace would be catastrophic. Our real-life general theory of relitivity gives the possibility for time travel if the speed of light is broken (a la Planet of the Apes). And, the only two specs for Melissa Inc. coming to our time is either the Forerunner artifact or a slipspace screw-up. So, I don't think this was a minor crash, and rule out this theory.

Maybe the ship has an advanced navigational system. Covenant and Forerunner's advanced technology let them move much faster than Human technology can. That's why they were waiting at Halo-4, and the novels have Cortana pirating their technology to achieve faster travel. To Earthlings, the accelerated entry might appear to be a crash of sorts, when it's really just more advanced than we're used to.


It seems that the Apoc crashing into Earth raises many more issues than just its own cause. Anyway, I want to hear what the rest of you think?
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I was playing through the first level of Halo again last night - I normally skip the FMV sequences but I let them play through... the very opening dialogue made me think of pretty much the same question.

I remember somewhere that Cortana maybe had an inkling of where Halo was and wanted to investigate so her 'blind jump' which ended up at Halo wasn't so blind (and again the Covenant got there before the POA). This doesn't contravene CP, but it's certainly a little devious as she explicitly said to Keyes that it was a blind jump (ie: a ship AI that will lie to the captain).

If we (in game) are to play the part as would be expected of puny earthlings in a galactic struggle... surely we shouldn't be helping these entities until their bona fides are proven... atm we have only their words to go on (and atm we're supposing that at least one - PF is covenant).

Now that would mean we couldn't play the game until some sort of external verification was given (by whom and how I have no idea). Given that this is a ARG site, it would be a bit dull.

No answers, only conjecture.

It's all sort of covered
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EDIT - ginormous URL - SG

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The ship could have begun malfunctioning while in slipspace. Slipspace travel takes a fair amount of time. Melissa had begun feeling odd while doing her monitoring duties, but she wasn't seriously malfunctioning yet. Perhaps they we're heading back to Earth as part of their routine rounds, or maybe to drop the Castaway off, and that's when whatever infected her began doing its damage.

There's also the chance that the accident was caused by the artifact. If the artifact is similar to the Crystal found on Reach in First Strike then it wouldn't have activated until they entered slipspace. They were headed back to Earth and the artifact activated, damaging the computer systems and possibly killing the crew.

I don't think they would have gone back to Earth if they were experiencing serious problems. They would probably just have headed to the nearest UNSC base.

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If any of you have read First Strike, you'll understand that after you use slipspace to leave the Covenant (if the apocalypso was under attack) you are then allow to head to Earth as long as the coast is clear. However, even if it is clear, you gotta to move in a random pattern. That's how the Ascendent-Justice was going to head back to earth except the needed to ditch the covenant cruiser because bringing a Covenant ship to Earth is also against the Cole Protocol.


Another spec could be that if this before the time of Halo the Cole Protocol could possibly not be initiated yet. They still may not have thought it up and therefore when a ship comes to Earth it's a huge ordeal because if it's Covenant they're obviously dookied over big time with flaming bags of poo.

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1) Please refrain from obscene language.

2) Even if they were allowed to return to Earth, we know that the Covenant can track slipstreamed ships and arrive at the destination of said ship...that's how the PoA got attacked in Halo.

3) I thought the Cole Protocol was initiated as soon as humanity realized that the covenant were vastly more powerful than we were. That surely would have occured before the Covies started glassing planets (I was thinking Cole Protocol was after the first major battle between Keyes and Covenant).
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SuperJerms wrote:
3) I thought the Cole Protocol was initiated as soon as humanity realized that the covenant were vastly more powerful than we were. That surely would have occured before the Covies started glassing planets (I was thinking Cole Protocol was after the first major battle between Keyes and Covenant).


It was initiated, as far as I can recall, after the Covenant glassed Harvest (the first world they came into contact with) and Admiral Cole beat them back, only because he outnumbered them 3:1 and lost 2/3 of his fleet in the process. This was in 2351 (according to The Fall of Reach).

The Fall of Reach wrote:
United Nations Space Command Emergency Priority Order 098831A-1
Encryption Code: Red
Public Key: file/first light/
From: UNSC/NAVCOM Fleet H. T. Ward
To: ALL UNSC PERSONNEL
Subject: General Order 098831A-1 ("The Cole Protocol")
Classification: RESTRICTED (BGX Directive)

The Cole Protocol
To safeguard the Inner Colonies and Earth, all UNSC vessels or stations must not be captured with intact navigation databases that may lead Covenant forces to human civilian population centers.
If any Covenant forces are detected:
1. Activate selective purge of databases on all ship-based and planetary data networks.
2.Initiate triple-screen check to ensure all data has been erased and all backups neutralized.
3.Execute viral data scavengers. (Download from UNSCTTP://EPWW.COLEPROTOCOL/Virtualscav/fbr.091)
4.If retreating from Covenant forces, all ships must enter Slipstream space with randomized vectors NOT directed toward Earth, the Inner Colonies, or any other human population center.
5.In case of imminent capture by Covenant forces, all UNSC ships MUST self-destruct.

Violation of this directive will be considered an act of TREASON, and pursuant to UNSC Military Law Articles JAG 845-P and JAG 7556-L, such violations are punishable by life imprisonment or execution.

/end file/
Press ENTER if you understand these orders.


Edit- Added the Cole Protocol text.
Don't click the link... extra planetary wide web Rolling Eyes ....

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More evidence for sam's post.

I believe the covenant had found the coordinates to HALO shortly before the Fall of Reach. In the fall of reach novell, In one of the pre reach sequences with the MC, the convenant went looking for some artifacts on a planet(Sigma Octanus IV) and transmitted the data to their ships from the city cote' d' azur. MC captures of part of the artifact and logs a report. I think this is information Cortana later comes across and files for later investigation. this then ends up being the jump coordinates she uses leaving Reach. that would explain why the covenant were already there on HALO, they had sent an investigation fleet. pg 336 of the Fall of reach novell explains how Cortana made a "blind" jump away from Reach to Halo. pg 208 is the section where MC cptures the stone with the alien writing.
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I seem to remember something in Fall of Reach about Cortana intentionally steering the ship towards Halo-4.

As for Covenant tracking ships through slipspace, I think it's not so much that they can track them as they just followed their exit vector. Covenant slipstream technology is vastly superior to human technology, and they were interested in Halo-4, as well. The Cole protocol is designed such that no ship has an exit vector pointing to Earth. After the initial jump, a ship can then proceed to jump on a vector to Earth, provided there are no Covenant around to witness the jump.

This did leave me wondering, though. With enough jumps, couldn't the Covenant just cross-reference the vectors that the human ships never took, and determine the general direction of Earth that way?

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antiarc wrote:
This did leave me wondering, though. With enough jumps, couldn't the Covenant just cross-reference the vectors that the human ships never took, and determine the general direction of Earth that way?


Well, think about how hard that would be in a plane, even if you were limited to two directions.

After all, there are an infinite number of possible angles. This number becomes limited when you reduced the precision necessaryto desribe the angle, but I'd say the vectors would have to pretty darn precise, simply because the distances are so large.

So, it could take an astronomical amount of time for the Covenant to collect enoung junk vectors to figure out where the humans never go. Which is an interesting way of putting, since that's really where they want to go.

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Antiarc wrote:
I seem to remember something in Fall of Reach about Cortana intentionally steering the ship towards Halo-4.


I keep reading about "Halo-4" on the forum, but I never saw it in any of the books or in the original game. Could someone please explain to me what exactly it means? At the moment I'm [spec]ing that it refers to the Halo that you are fighting on in the game, but I'm not entirely certain.
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It comes from something in the game. It's something 343 Guilty Spark says.

Halo Story Page wrote:
Greetings. I am the Monitor of installation 04. I am 343 Guilty Spark. Someone has released the Flood. My function is to prevent it from leaving this installation. But I require your assistance. Come. This way.


This, connected with the fact that the Forerunner would need more than THE Halo we all know and love to cleanse the galaxy, added to the idea that the Monitor refers to the specific Halo you're on as "the installation" seems to produce the name.

Halo-04.

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chaotic_mind wrote:
Halo Story Page wrote:
Greetings. I am the Monitor of installation 04. I am 343 Guilty Spark. Someone has released the Flood. My function is to prevent it from leaving this installation. But I require your assistance. Come. This way.
Reference from here.

Thank you... I'm much less confused now.
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chaotic_mind wrote:


This, connected with the fact that the Forerunner would need more than THE Halo we all know and love to cleanse the galaxy, added to the idea that the Monitor refers to the specific Halo you're on as "the installation" seems to produce the name.


Well, to be specific, I think 343 mentions that his installation would fire and set off a chain with the others, meaning all four (or more) installations would destroy the whole galaxy. Halo's precise range is unknown (though, unless the others are destroyed ... probably moot).

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Halo has a *precise* range, for government work at least

Halo Story Page wrote:
343 GS:
[snip]Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of twenty-five thousand light years.[snip]


From here.

The Monitor mentioned a range at the beginning of Two Betrayals. Exact? Probably not, since it's such a round number, but it does give us an idea.

And indeed, I forgot that the Monitor mentions the other Halos. From the very same level of all things.

Anyway, head us!

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Few random things I've read and figured to clarify / correct. Most have been said, but I only noticed this after writing too much of it to simply delete it.

The Covenant slipspace drives and terran ones are essentially the same, they are simply more precise than our own. They use 256 color graphics at 1280x1024, and we use 640x480 Black/Green, to use a computer analogy. They aren't much faster than ours, they use it better.

Cortana's jump to Halo was not a random one, but it wasn't a guess. There were symbols on an artifact the Covenant got that, when translated into jump co-ords, turned out to be Halo.

Slipspace is extremely screwy, especially if there's Forefunner artifacts onboard. If I were to fire a flaregun at a rock in such a slipspace, I'd see the flare spin around like a rabbit in a washing machine, and then smack into the area behind me. If a ship crashed out of Slip and had a Jjaro 'fact on board... oy vey.
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