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Bender6
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Kaltern wrote:
I get the feeling I'm alone right now, working through the night lol (tis 1am here). All I can see are strings of numbers... goddamnit!

I think I've tried ever conceivable possibility. Except the right one... Neutral

This is gonna be easier than it seems I think.


You're not the only one working through the night on this. Two nights ago, after 3AM I decided that the fate of the world didn't REALLY depend on me decoding this, so I went to bed.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:23 pm
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Kaltern
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Bender6 wrote:
Kaltern wrote:
I get the feeling I'm alone right now, working through the night lol (tis 1am here). All I can see are strings of numbers... goddamnit!

I think I've tried ever conceivable possibility. Except the right one... Neutral

This is gonna be easier than it seems I think.


You're not the only one working through the night on this. Two nights ago, after 3AM I decided that the fate of the world didn't REALLY depend on me decoding this, so I went to bed.


It's 1:30am where I am no, so I think you're right.... the world can wait Razz

I bet someone cracks it before I wake up tomorrow!

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SamuelofR247
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 		Just thinking out loud here....

Quote:
5 + 5 = 10

FREEDOM = 7

5 + 5 = 10


"Freedom" does equal 7, 7 letters that is. So simple yet I can't think of what the meaning could be especially when combiined with 5 + 5 = 10....

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SamuelofR247 wrote:
Just thinking out loud here....

Quote:
5 + 5 = 10

FREEDOM = 7

5 + 5 = 10


"Freedom" does equal 7, 7 letters that is. So simple yet I can't think of what the meaning could be especially when combiined with 5 + 5 = 10....


You're thinking along the same lines i am...

Consider this. For the last message, the BIG puzzle was the latitude and longitudes from the SOMD site. This puzzle was solved by some brilliant deduction and hard work, but a much simpler solution was present. The key was put into the picture of the spectrum. That picture of Sputnik was how we were supposed to find the key and solve the cipher.

Now, assuming this cipher is a Quagmire III, then we need an alphabet key and pass phrase. The pattern dictates that these relate to the spectrum picture in this message. For example, alphabet key is two five letter words combined and pass phrase is "freedom." Point being the key is in the picture.

Now the question becomes, what two five letter words do we know of?

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 		Well, not to change our train of thought completely Bender but I've been looking further into the Kryptos angle of this and some interesting things came to mind.

Just like the style of the ARG we're involved in right now, the decrypted passages in Kryptos' cipher pages each contain clues that lead to the decryption of the next. Having no real meaning other than that in and of themselves...

" 'THEY USED THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD X THE INFORMATION WAS GATHERED AND TRANSMITTED' ....undergruund to an unknown location."

This part of Kryptos section 2 (K2) was actually part of the clues that helped these geniuses crack Kryptos section 3 (K3). However, section 3 is solved with a "Columnar Transposition" Cipher ( http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/coltrans.php ).

From http://www.austininc.com/SciRealm/Kryptos.html ....
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Sec.3 is solved by using a modular transposition decoding: [ decrypted=(192*encrypted+192-1) mod 337 ]. There are numerous ways that this can be broken down into row-column transpositions using 336 characters and jumps of appropriate size. A favorite is (7 rows * 48 columns), which uses the keyword KRYPTOS=0362514, for the row ordering. It can be shown that all of these row-column transpositions are mathematically equivalent to the more general modular transposition decoding.

Message details hinted at by examining the 1st letters of the K2 Secret Message - TUT - They Used The / Transmitted Undergruund To



Bender said:
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Now the question becomes, what two five letter words do we know of?


Don't get me wrong though, I will continue to aid in all potential quests!

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 		SamuelofR247:

Its late here, so bear with me. What I am curious is what plan of attack do you propose based on this new Kryptos information? You mentioned a fair amount of information, and I am having a hard time seeing the forest for the sake of the trees.

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 		two 5 letter words
marie curie, she was quoted in the transmission and both names are 5 letters. probably nothing but you never know

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 		Seriously just grasping at straws here, but when used as a keymaker for a shifted alphabet in Quagmire III, the phrase "uraniumplutonium" is shortened to a 10 letter code "uranimplto" since letters do not repeat. However, it's not equally divided in half for each word.

I've been quietly futzing around with this all day long. So in the words of those before me: I'm going to bed.

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 		Re: two 5 letter words
Hibashira wrote:
marie curie, she was quoted in the transmission and both names are 5 letters. probably nothing but you never know


Very good point. However, I can confirm that "MarieCurie" is not the alphabet key with a pass phrase of "Freedom." Just for reference I am trying all of my Quagmire III permutations with a four letter shift in both directions (letter strings purposed in a post by SameulofR247). This stuff is getting tricky. It is almost like the people sending out these messages don't want us to easily know what is in them.

degravedi wrote:
Seriously just grasping at straws here, but when used as a keymaker for a shifted alphabet in Quagmire III, the phrase "uraniumplutonium" is shortened to a 10 letter code "uranimplto" since letters do not repeat. However, it's not equally divided in half for each word.


I tried this as well. Another of my dead end theories. This code breaking stuff is reinforcing a lesson I learned in engineering school. Thank god for computers. This much iteration would be a nightmare by hand.

If my Quagmire III theory holds, I suspect the alphabet key will be Marie Curie related, even if it is not the phrase "Marie Curie." In the first two transmissions, the phrase after the coded message helped solve it. I've read some arguments that uranium/plutonium were solutions to the Marie Curie puzzle, but for now I am convinced this has to do with the Hertz puzzle, since the solution involved frequencies (so far the clues seem to have more to do with methodology then subject). That being said, I am not following this idea to the exclusion of other potential keys.

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 		There is a book titled 'Nineteen Eighty Four'. The title comes from changing around the last numbers of the year in which it was written (1948). It was set in an alternate universe and talks a lot about socialism, politics, atomic war policies, mind control and hidden messages.

It was banned in USA for a number of years after the Cold War...

It also talks about mind control through video games lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four


An anagram for kryptos is 'sky port'

An anagram for freedom is 'mod free'

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 		Re: two 5 letter words
Bender6 wrote:
Hibashira wrote:
marie curie, she was quoted in the transmission and both names are 5 letters. probably nothing but you never know


Very good point. However, I can confirm that "MarieCurie" is not the alphabet key with a pass phrase of "Freedom." Just for reference I am trying all of my Quagmire III permutations with a four letter shift in both directions (letter strings purposed in a post by SameulofR247). This stuff is getting tricky. It is almost like the people sending out these messages don't want us to easily know what is in them.

degravedi wrote:
Seriously just grasping at straws here, but when used as a keymaker for a shifted alphabet in Quagmire III, the phrase "uraniumplutonium" is shortened to a 10 letter code "uranimplto" since letters do not repeat. However, it's not equally divided in half for each word.


I tried this as well. Another of my dead end theories. This code breaking stuff is reinforcing a lesson I learned in engineering school. Thank god for computers. This much iteration would be a nightmare by hand.

If my Quagmire III theory holds, I suspect the alphabet key will be Marie Curie related, even if it is not the phrase "Marie Curie." In the first two transmissions, the phrase after the coded message helped solve it. I've read some arguments that uranium/plutonium were solutions to the Marie Curie puzzle, but for now I am convinced this has to do with the Hertz puzzle, since the solution involved frequencies (so far the clues seem to have more to do with methodology then subject). That being said, I am not following this idea to the exclusion of other potential keys.


Try "Polonium". It's an element Marie Curie discovered in 1898.

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 		Here's a list of every element I can find that is in some way linked to all the clues.

Code:
2,8,18,32,18,2  = Hg - Mercury   - Element 80
2,8,18,32,18,6  = Po - Polonium  - Element 84
2,8,18,32,18,82 = Ra - Radium    - Element 88
2,8,18,32,21,92 = U  - Uranium   - Element 92
2,8,18,32,24,82 = Pu - Plutonium - Element 94
2,8,18,32,25,92 = Cm - Curium    - Element 96


Maybe it'll help somehow lol

(edited to fix Plutonium's element name)

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 		None of the associated elements that we know of are the key by themselves.

However, I think there is a possibility that two elements could be combined for a ten letter key once duplicate letters are removed, like degravedi proposed.

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 		Where did the mp3 name 'station_trifecta_01' come from btw?

Trifecta can mean '3 elements coming together'.

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 		I think it was mentioned but element numbers are even.

-- ma+3

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