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JoeWasEre
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 		Wow. Lots to talk about.
LzyA$$Hole wrote:
So I think this might be a weird stretch but....

After adding the numbers 21 and 70 you would get 91. Then, assuming the small dot is actually a multiplication symbol you would multiply it by 64 giving a grand total of 5824.


If it says 21+70.64 , with the point being a multiplication sign, wouldn't the sum be:
21 + (70 x 64) = 4501
and not:
(21 + 70) x 64 = 5824

Train crash-wise... I know big movies like big explosions, but for me personally it seems too much to be just theatrics. The way one train cart spins into the camera just before the text "AND DIRECTOR J.J. ABRAMS... I like the theory that ammunition transportation is being used as a cover by the Air Force to move the alien(s).

Yeah, for me this is clearly an aliens story. Area 51. References to Close Encounters. Talking about the alien breaking out on the IRC last night... I think the hatch/wheel spins from anti-magnetics/telekinetic forces. The rivets aren't just pinging out because of the smashing force. They fly out like the screws came out in Close Encounters. Like it.

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 		So, we kind of know what a AN/TTQ is but what exactly is it? I can't find a lot of info about it. A google image search brought this up (yeah it's from the swedish site posted earlier). Websites say it's wire. Is it some kind of collection device? And why was WWII technology doing on a train in 1979 along with "It"? Whatever "It" is.
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 		Well we can't just assume that an entire wing of area 51 was just for an "it" . I'm sure they decided to pull everything at once. There were a LOT of carts along that train.

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J0shuaKane
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 		not sure if this has been pointed out yet, or is just too obvious, but whoever was driving that truck drove into the train on purpose.

maybe it was Dan Morris...?

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 		Yeah, I was just more curious why it was WWII era stuff was there. After doing a bit more digging, I found more info. Not specifically about the AN/TTQ-1 but a more broad picture of what it was used for.

Back in WWII, military and non-military alike were trained to watch the sky for enemy aircraft. Observation stations were set up along both East and West coasts of United States and Canada. When anything was spotted, it was called into an Army Filter Center. Some of the filter centers were permanent but some (like the AN/TTQ) were mobile.

Sources:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24565238/Fm-11-25-Aircraft-Warning-Service-1942
http://www.gordon.army.mil/ocos/Museum/AMC/radio2.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_warning_service
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-SS-Canada/USA-SS-Canada-7.html

[SPEC]So I could see how in the 40s, something extra-terrestrial was reported to one of these filter stations and all of the equipment was seized and stored at Area 51. The Roswell crash happened in 1947. WWII was over by then but maybe the filter centers were still in operation. Or maybe something pre-Roswell was recorded.[/SPEC]

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 		Some more on the AN/TTQ-1

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30243&st=0&p=225415&

http://jptronics.org/radios/Military/JANAP161/an.trtx/an.ttq-1.pdf

Still, odd to be on the train...maybe they had use for the PE-197 generator?

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 		Sweet, nice find. I wish the guy had sited his source, though. Well that's one mystery solved...sorta.

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J0shuaKane wrote:
not sure if this has been pointed out yet, or is just too obvious, but whoever was driving that truck drove into the train on purpose.

maybe it was Dan Morris...?


I'm going to go out on a limb here and stick with the school of thought that the truck driver was just committing suicide and this whole debacle is an accident.

If someone wanted to derail the train they could have just rigged the tracks with dynamite and used one of those plunger devices they used way back when to blow it up.

I believe the driver just discovered that his wife had been cheating on him with his best friend. Not only that, but the driver's best friend also sold the driver's daughter some crack. He was on his way to settle the score, but just had a revelation that maybe it was best to just let things be, let them be happy, end it all.

He hears the warning for the train and decides: this is it, I can't go on any longer. Obviously, I base this on absolutely nothing. You get my drift, though.


I don't think this was an intentional attack. If it was, why ruin a perfectly good truck/life?

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0TJ0
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tabkatta wrote:
In order to keep from going nuts, and since I can't contribute in any other way, have some information about the train and car:

The wheel on the car is probably a locking mechanism. Something like that is so rare on a boxcar that it would have HAD to have been made specially for the military. There's no way there's anything on the inside corresponding to it, since that would bock the door from opening. (Boxcar doors slide along a track parallel to the side of the car, so anything on the inside of the door would block it.) This car was obviously specially designed to keep something in.

Class one railroad speed limit is 79 mph, and that's concrete - it's based on track condition and ability of rolling stock. It was probably going slower that that, if there were any curves or rough spots in the track. The speed limit in Ohio is less than 79, because of congestion, but how much lower at that time, I don't know. Also, as a special military train, it could probably get permission to go 79 if the track conditions supported it.

At 79 mph, a train colliding with a truck like that would not crash that spectacularly. The telescoping of the cars looks right, but the mass of the truck wouldn't be enough to make them do that, because the mass of the truck (what, at the very most, fully loaded with stuff, maybe 8k lbs?) just wouldn't be enough to cause it to stop abruptly enough to cause that kind of telescoping. The train would derail, and obviously friction would slow it down pretty quickly, but not enough to cause that kind of destruction. For that, you'd need something closer to the mass of another locomotive.

So, either there's more to the crash than we can see, or it was that bad for the sake of theatrics.

No, none of that is exactly startling, but more information can never hurt, right? ^^


...no

The Locomotive is about 100 tons on its own and are made to pull up to around 12,000 tons . Cars are closer to 20 to 30 tons a piece EMPTY. So depending on the amount of cars and how much was on them this thing could be heavy as shit.

Ive heard analagies of a fully loaded freight train hitting a car being about the same as your car running over a pop can (lbs to lbs). Honestly the chances of a train totaly being devisted by a single truck... highly unlikely... although Im sure it has happend... if nothing else, at least in a few movies.[/b]

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J0shuaKane
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 		he was aiming at the wheel of the train. looks like there may have been explosives in the truck as well.

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VeneficusArgent
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 		Embarassed


...I'll fill this in with something pertinent to replace my mistake. Probably about the weight of trucks....
After I get over my embarrassment.

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0TJ0 wrote:

...no

The Locomotive is about 100 tons on its own and are made to pull up to around 12,000 tons . Cars are closer to 20 to 30 tons a piece EMPTY. So depending on the amount of cars and how much was on them this thing could be heavy as shit.

Ive heard analagies of a fully loaded freight train hitting a car being about the same as your car running over a pop can (lbs to lbs). Honestly the chances of a train totaly being devisted by a single truck... highly unlikely... although Im sure it has happend... if nothing else, at least in a few movies.[/b]


I was talking about the truck that the train hit, being, at most, maybe 8k lbs. Re-reading that, I may noot have made that clear. I still may be way off on my weight estimate - I know about trains, not cars. ^^;;;

I'm sorry if it was unclear, we actually agree here. That kind of destruction is really unlikely to have been caused by a single truck, even one loaded with weights or explosives.

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 		Truck Driver.
Has it been confirmed that the driver of the truck was still in the vehicle at the point of impact? Wouldn't be too far fetched to brick the gas-pedal and ditch, seeing as how the tracks would keep the truck on course.
(And just a thought, but if you were trying to spirit an E.T. across the country, and were worried about someone or something trying to intercept you, an AN/TQQ-1 system would have been a cheap alternative to tracking any incoming fighters/UFO's)

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 		it wouldn't have stayed pointed at the wheel of the train.

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