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EMAIL BRUCE: Dale (Email from Bruce Abbott)
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konamouse
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 		dmax wrote:

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Mr. Abbott,

I can reassure you that Dale is alive, and has communicated with me as recently as the last 24 hours.

I wonder how you are able to help Dale? What would be the point of you contacting him directly again?

Initially, as Dale's tragedy unfolded, you were quite reticent (and even brusque) as we tried to engage your services. Also, I might remind you that you (innocently) committed Dale although he wasn't a danger to himself or others - but simply delusional, in your view.

If I felt that Dale was a danger, I would race you towards getting Dale recommitted, or enagaging some other formal means to assure his safety. However, that doesn't seem to be an issue now. Instead, he lists a small group of people whom he trusts. You, as you might fear, are not on that list.

Is there something I can convey to Dale that might reinstate his trust? Is there some service that you might perform for him that would help his cause? I'm afraid that the onus is on you at this point.


Okay, guess I can't keep it a secret from Bruce anymore.
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 		I've read somewhere in this forum that someone has already told Bruce about a contact with Dale in the last 24 hours Sad

By the way, I've been mailing Dr. Kendra these days and I've asked her not to tell Bruce anything about Dale anymore Smile

LOL, Kona, you've been faster Razz

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Shelina wrote:

By the way, I've been mailing Dr. Kendra these days and I've asked her not to tell Bruce anything about Dale anymore Smile


Did the same thing hun. At least until further notice, that we were still trying to find out what his exact ties to Dale's loan sharks were/are.

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 		I did the same. I also included a shot of the diary page showing Bruce wasn't suprised about Dale's bruises. I cut the address so she wouldn't know where to look for the rest of the diary. I was suprised not to have heard from her within 24 hours, as she has been pretty good about responding and I thought she would have more questions about it. I guess we will hear after the hypnosis.

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Barbarellany wrote:
I did the same. I also included a shot of the diary page showing Bruce wasn't suprised about Dale's bruises. I cut the address so she wouldn't know where to look for the rest of the diary. I was suprised not to have heard from her within 24 hours, as she has been pretty good about responding and I thought she would have more questions about it. I guess we will hear after the hypnosis.


Good thinking, rest of the diary might just give her enough reasons to lock him up again. Her lack of responsiveness may be caused by a)too much work b)too many e-mails for her to respond to, c)needing time to think about all of this.

Suggsted she call Damon (aka Elder) again for further information, plus to give him a number so he could call her back if need-be.

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 		plus an email could always be lost if she was never meant to see the diary

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 		More from Bruce
Sorry, but I missed the plot to not tell Bruce about Dale. (You could always contend that I'm lying...) All I let him know was 1) Dale's alive and 2) he's note trusted. Here's his somewhat testy reply:
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Yes, please convey this if you are in touch with Dale.

1) I have the ability and willingness to help Dale through his apparently
severe financial crisis, which has certainly worsened now that his house has
burned to the ground.

2) I still own the company that he and I founded and operated successfully for
the better part of five years. A company that would welcome him back if only he
would accept the offer I've extended previously.

3) I am still the best friend that he has ever had in this world, someone who
has seen him fall in love and get engaged, handed him the ring at his marriage
ceremony, and waited with him at the hospital while his daughter was born.

But you are no doubt, correct. How can all this compare with individuals that
he barely knows whose chief virtue is that they believe whatever he says, no
matter how incredible. You tell me, Dan. Given the history that Dale and I
share, how would you feel? I think I have proven my friendship to Dale more
times than you have ever even spoken to him. Yet you can sit there smugly and
tell me I need to prove myself to Dale -- or perhaps to you. I think not.
Apparently, what I will have to do is wait for Dale to come to his senses, and
to remember who has actually been at his side all these years.

I find it incredibly ironic that after receiving so many requests and demands
over these past several weeks from all of Dale's new 'friends', that the first
time I ask for a measure of good will from you, you respond with incredible
hubris. Very well, Dan. You feed and clothe him, satisfy his loan sharks,
restore his sanity -- since I'm sure you wouldn't want to abuse Dale's trust.
It's interesting, looking over this, that Dale is becoming more and more beholden to Bruce. But that might be coincidental.

At this point, I'm tempted to exclaim "Hubris! What the hell kind of response was yours - that you would let your so called friendship suffer because you have a self-esteem issue?"
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 		EMAIL from Bruce - He is hurt by Dale's snub
Quoting hxxxxxxxx <hxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxx.com>:

> Hi Bruce.
>
> So, this niece. You think she is going to have any
> information about what Sal and Marco were doing (and
> if they were involved in the explosion at Dale's
> house)? What's her name, Angela? Did Sal or Marco (if
> they were there) say anything to you?
>
> I like wine. Joined the Korbel Wine Club this year
> after a very nice tasting - just got my first
> shipment: Blanc de Nois champagne, Rouge champagne
> (never had that before) and a Russian River Valley
> Pinot Noir 2001. I tried all of these at the winery
> and liked them all. It's going to be a nice year for
> me and wine (I get a shipment every 10 weeks).
>
> So, sounds like you like Angela.....guess that means
> we're only going to be "just friends"? Bummer. Was
> hoping to show you the town if you ever came out here
> (yes, there are lots of computer related conventions
> all year long).
>
> Your boat's name, Apollo's Mirror. Interesting choice.
> Like the mirror built on the moon to measure the exact
> distance to the earth? Or another reason? To reflect
> the sun? I loved greek/roman mythology when I was
> growing up.
>
> As for Dale, I'm sure you have probably heard that he
> had made contact (to Dr. Kendra) so he survived the
> house explosion but he is very scared (have the
> Marzano's been paid yet?) and doesn't trust anyone.
> Guess he doesn't even trust you right now. Any reason
> why not? Did something happen between you two (long
> before Diana & Meaghan's deaths) that drove a wedge
> between you guys? Just pretty weird that he didn't
> contact you.
>
> Hope you have a nice weekend. Look forward to our next
> exchange.
>
> Heather


Heather:

It's not surprising you'd like Blanc de Noirs (not Nois) champagne; it's often made from Pinot Noir grapes. I assume since this is a Korbel club that your wines will all be theirs. The best Blanc de Noirs I've had was made by Jean Laurent, a French winery. Deep, fruity -- mighty tasty. Try it sometime if you get a chance.

I don't know exactly what Angie knows or doesn't -- but she sent me a
mail today that surprised me a bit. In it, she intimates both that Sal has
threatened that if she tells Don Marzano about anything peculiar she's
seen, that her father could wind up hurt (sounds just like those threats that Dale was getting, doesn't it). Second, it sounds like she has been contacted by some sort of US government agency looking into family activities. Obviously this further confirms that Sal is up to no good; though it also suggests that perhaps not the whole family is involved. I'm going to take her out a second time this week and perhaps I'll learn more about both matters.

Angie was very pleasant company -- but she is a young woman, who I
suspect lacks some of the sophistication you seem to possess. However, up until this moment, I didn't know whether you viewed me as a 'man' friend, rather than a male 'friend'. I'd love to show you the Big Apple, or have you reciprocate out in the City of Lights. Who knows when our paths may cross . . .

Now for your last subject -- one that is paining me very much today, as I learn that others are hearing from Dale while he continues to shut me out. We had grown apart a bit over the past two years when he left Anonymous Fame to set out on his own. But he always told me (and I always believed it to be true) that his leaving was due to his own longings to do other things, not any personality conflict between us. We still saw each other regularly, shared dinners and weekends together, until about five months ago, when he shut himself off from me, Diana, -- everyone who loved him. Now I know apparently the cause was his financial woes -- but I would have helped him. I would have taken him back at the firm in a moment (I won't kid you -- with the rest of my staff, we're still a solid web design company, but when Dale ran the creative end, we were great), loaned him enough cash to pay these loansharks. Does he blame me for his decisions to borrow money from the Marzanos? I would never have
suggested such a thing in the first place. If you don't have the credit to borrow from a bank, your business in too far gone to be borrowing at all. Does he resent me, because he knows I wouldn't have made the same mistakes? Or does it boil down to the fact that I had to take responsibility for him to get him released from the hospital, and then after hearing reports of Dale engaging in all sort of strange activities around town, decided that professional help was needed to bring him to his senses?

If you should talk to Dale, please relay this to him -- I'll still here, willing
to help. I am not the source of his problems, I am not 'against' him, and his health and well being still mean a lot to me. But tell him, too, that I
think I've been getting a pretty raw deal from him -- shut off without a word, declared guilty without any opportunity to state my case.

Sorry for the sour downer of an end note -- but how would you feel if
someone who you cared about decided that 500 people you selected more or less at random off some email list were suddenly your true friends, while the man who served as the Best Man at your wedding and helped you bring home your infant daughter from the hospital isn't? You tell me, Heather, you tell me . . .

Bruce
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 		even tho the letters were diff,
It's all about him...

He can re-earn Dale's trust, in my estimation.
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 		Bruce and Dale
I wonder if Bruce was such a good friend why would Dale not turn to Bruce, for the loans, about his grief, his fears ect. It seems to me there is much more to this friendship than we know to date. I still think Bruce was in love with Diana....

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 		Take two any friends, A and B, that go into business together. Shocked

Person B indicates that person A is the brains in the business.

After creating a successful business together, person A leaves to create their own business, and fails. Embarassed At the same time person B continues to do well even without A's help. Person A's pride might not allow them to ask person B for help.

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 		Re: Bruce and Dale
butterflyer22 wrote:
I still think Bruce was in love with Diana....


Personally, I suspect Diana and Bruce were a tad more than friends..
Don't think there is any "polite" way to ask Dale, if Meaghan was ever paternity tested, either. And he's been through enough without adding that burden on his shoulders. Confused

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 		Valas wrote:
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I still think Bruce was in love with Diana....

Personalli, I suspect Diana and Bruce were a tad more than friends..

Don't think there is any "polite" way to ask Dale, if Meaghan was ever paternity tested, either. And he's been through enough without adding that burden on his shoulders.


Yes, I agree that Bruce was in love with Diana.
However, his communications with Heather (and how he treated Angie on their first outing) indicate he is too much the gentleman to have engaged in any untoward behavior or an affair with his best friend/business partner's wife. After their marriage, he may have worshipped from afar, but I sincerely doubt that he would have taken her to bed.
And to suggest such to Dale, while still in shock and grief over his "wish", would be akin to torture, and completely inappropriate/unnecessary.
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konamouse wrote:

Yes, I agree that Bruce was in love with Diana.
However, his communications with Heather (and how he treated Angie on their first outing) indicate he is too much the gentleman to have engaged in any untoward behavior or an affair with his best friend/business partner's wife. After their marriage, he may have worshipped from afar, but I sincerely doubt that he would have taken her to bed.
And to suggest such to Dale, while still in shock and grief over his "wish", would be akin to torture, and completely inappropriate/unnecessary.


Different circumstances hun.
He's in love with neither, I'd have to check, but I seem to recall that according to the statistics, if a partner strays that it will be with someone they know very well.

Bruce fits that category, friendship with Dale not withstanding, considering his own affections for her, makes hima more likely candidate alltogether.

And yes, I know to ask Dale that question would be inappropriate. That's why I said what I did. There's no way in hell, we could ask him this, without causing severe psychological damage. And that's one of the last things he needs right now.

Just another one of those unsolved mysteries as far as I'm concerned, and we have bigger things to worry about that than this particular mystery.

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 		reply
My letter to pissed-off Bruce:
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Bruce:

You call it hubris, but I call it caution.

As you've noted many times, we don't know each other. You worried that I had the wrong motives.
What you've said makes good sense to me. In a situation like this, we should both be cautious.

If you'd rather wait and let Dale come to you, it's your prerogative.
I would hope that you'd put ego issues aside, but each of us has to do what they feel is right.

If you change your mind, feel free to contact us again. As I said before, the onus is on you. That hasn't changed.

Dan
and his reply. I think he's in love with me, honestly. He just doesn't know how to show it.
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Dan:

No, the onus will be on you, and your fellow 'investigators', if your continued
support of Dale's delusions result in his coming to harm.

You're quite right -- all I can do is wait right now, continue to write Dale
and reassure him how much I care about what happens to him. But all the while,
you are whispering in his ear how I was wrong to have him committed, which
helps to keep him out there on the run, isolated and unprotected on his own.

Perhaps it would interest you to hear how the medical professional most
knowledgable about Dale's situation views this issue (from an email received
today):

"He (Dale) is still quite angry at you for having him hospitalized. I have
told him on numerous occasions that it was in his best interest and that you
did the right thing, but he is preoccupied with his wish delusion and won't
talk about it more. I will make this a priority at our next session. He needs
his acutal support system now, not this network of e-mail "friends" he has
managed to acquire."

-Michelle


So, yes, Dan, I call it hubris when people who have known Dale for a few weeks
thru emails think they understand his condition better than those who have
observed him first-hand, and take it upon themselves to feed his paranoia and
encourage him to believe his wildest imaginings on the flimsiest of physical
evidence. You see, sir, I'll still be here, caring for Dale, long after the
details of his 'case' have ceased to entertain you. I only hope that there will
be someone left to help when you're done with him.

Bruce

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