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Ok, I've decoded Alfred Vail.doc ...Amandel did figure out that Alfred Vail was connected to Morse code but wasn't able to get it to translate, but I'm not sure why...I was able to get it by doing the following:

- find & replace all 0s with .s
- find & replace all 1s with -s
- find & replace all *s with /s
- copy & paste the whole thing into the top box of http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html & hit "Translate"

Solution:

Quote:
IF YOU READ THIS THEN WELL DONE OWL FRIEND OF VANESSA HELP ME HELP HER BECOME WHAT SHE ONCE WAS, INNOCENT. HELP ME DESTROY THE MACHINE AND THE MINISTRY. ANOTHER OWL


ETA: V has posted 3 pictures to the Ning, and changed her profile pic.

Her profile pic is from a different Tarot deck's Tower card (see http://tarotbyarwen.com/blog/?p=512 ...not sure what deck is being used...anyone?).

One of the posted pics is a drawing the real Vladimir Nabokov did of a butterfly laying eggs, visible at http://tinyurl.com/23ny92w . It is labelled "to V from V" in the original because it was drawn for a Véra's birthday (so "to Véra from Vladimir"). It also appears inside another photograph on the Wikipedia article about Nabokov. The filename is vladbutterflies.jpg, which makes sense.

The title V has given this picture is "et in arcadia". There is a whole Wikipedia article about the meaning of "Et in Arcadia ego": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_in_Arcadia_ego .

Another of V's posted pics is the picture of 2 butterflies from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Nabokov, but inverted. Our VS used to have this posted somewhere amongst his Facebook pictures inverted as well. The filename is butterfly2.jpg, which isn't too revealing.

The title V has given this inverted picture is "check". Given the chess imagery that came up a lot last game, perhaps this is warning us that we are in check, and dangerously close to checkmate--but not beyond saving? or perhaps we are supposed to check something out.

Another of V's posted pics has been given the title "need help", and appeared during the last game. Its filename is vanessaannabella.jpg. Can someone remind me what we discovered about this picture last game?
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:16 pm
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The First reference to Owl is due to my Ministry name, just to stop folk following up false leads.

Is that butterfly picture anything to do with V's mother? I seem to remember her name was also a butterfly.

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TY, Dagata. The "Vanessa annabella" (West Coast Lady butterfly-see pic) folds her colored wings as camouflage from predators. Tried subs on the Alfred_Vail.doc & just messed up. Props.

It's well cited that Poussin's Et in Arcadia ego is a major theme explored in Nabokov's "perfect novel", Pale Fire. Also, his famous "paradisia radugaleta" butterfly is solely from his imagination, "radugaleta has it's stem in raduga which means rainbow in Russian." (Cornell U. Library)

While ominous this personal theme speaks to Vlad's intimacy with Vanessa (and her mother), totally lacking in his relationship with his granddaughter, Poeas. Had mentioned to her in my email that our msgs are scanned by Orpheus and got this:

Poeas wrote:
Son of Posiedon, you seek to control the Ministry then? Despite Anaceus trying his hardest right now to keep the helm steady? Why do you think Orpheus is not wiping me out already - he's doing his best with keeping Atalanta alive...
THAT'S why I can email what and who I like.
Yes they scan. But they can't do anything without the permission of the Captain, and if the Captain doesn't appoint a new leader before she... oops.. I'm saying too much.
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I thought you would see the benefits of closing down an agency that meddles, controls others for their own gain, or, falsely, the importance of the government's...
Up to you. But I ask you, what did EITHER of my grandfathers do? They killed no-one. Hurt no-one. They were men of science and now, now they are dead due to the actions of the Ministry.

But you only see the mad actions of someone grief stricken and because she who committed patricide is your friend, you look the other way.
I'd reflect a little before you judge me
H le R
xx


ETA: Who is "ANOTHER OWL" who speaks wise imo. Do we need to find only one machine piece to decommission it?

EDIT: Aethalides in chat: 'I'm worried - REALLY worried". Since Claire hinted we shd ctc her, have done so in a general way.
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I'm not sure. Could it be Orpheus, as he was helping V?

I'm wondering if that cog piece (not codpiece!) in the video is the piece we need to find. The trouble is, there are too many possible places right now. The windmill visible from the church Claire was held at, the cave in Bridgnorth, even Bletchley Park / and more!!

Another thought. How is Claire connected to this? V worries about her being used against her. She was there during the previous events. She seems to have similar mental duality to V. Could SHE be part of the machine, or needed for it to work?

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I didn't know if that substitution was going to work (was going to try the dashes for the 0s and the dots for 1s if it didn't), but I figured, zeros are kinda round, dots are kinda round, let's try it. Then when I went to try the dash-for-1 substitution, it struck me that a 1 looks kinda like a vertical dash.

Ok, so I sent Claire a message telling her what the translated Alfred Vail document said, and she had this to say:

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Hey, yes I was just coming on here to tell you lol. Like minds and all hee hee.

Do you know what I'm wondering. That message was written by another person, yet this is the cd V put together. She also talks about i/we in the here document. Then Poeas sent Amandel a message where it says something like "Why he chose her as a host I'll never know" (not verbatim but I can't remember exactly.) What if we were right that V has two people in her head, but instead of it being the alternate V it's someone else? I'm not sure who though. Does the owl thing mean anything to you guys?


Ok, let's see, who's died and could have taken up residence in V's head?
- JPW (most recently)
- Vladimir
- Johan

My theory is that it's Vladimir. My reasoning:
- a music video recently appeared on both V's account and VS'.
- Westfield State College's mascot is an owl named Nestor...VS' MoA codename.
- when Amandel asked Jason where Vladimir was buried, one of the things he said (unprompted?) was, "As for his 'talking', I am not one who believes in spirits, but I am also aware that, of all of us, he had the strongest soul."
- in Here.doc, V says, "Did I mean to poison his fruit salad? Yes. I know, thanks to Vladimir, that he was indeed the man who killed my mother. Why Vladimir took the wrap and then allowed his last breaths to be used to save me protect me strengthen me I will never know it seems."
- um...there is also a Facebook profile page for Vladimir the Owl, though this seems to be a plastic owl in someone's backyard. "I currently guard a pool so ducks won't poop in it. So far so good. :]"
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Interesting connection. Way back when the game was in chessboard stage it was suggested I become a bishop as the current one was soon to fall. That was Vlad. Perhaps they've given me the identity he held in the Ministry?

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An update from Claire RE some questions I asked. Looks like we might be right about Vlad being the other owl.

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Claire HoskynsMay 16, 2010 at 11:26pm
Re: Owl
Hey!! Yes I guessed you were the first owl mentioned, because you were the one who picked up the cd, and when you first started talking to me on here you said something like "tell the owl" or something like that and I asked if you were an owl because you are wise.

To be honest my first thought was Vlad, as Poeas was talking about him just before she said "why he chose her as a host i'll never know" (or something like that.) but I couldn't make the owl connection, so was wondering whether it was someone else at the ministry that I didn't know about. I just found this though

http://www.facebook.com/l/ef418;en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirin

So I think it is him. Also when googling Vladmir Sirin wiki says that his family moved to Oregon, so I think VS is definitely the man from Oregon mentioned in Johan's letter. Also very creepily the real VS wrote lolita, so I'm hoping that that's not a reason he wants to protect V.

As for remembering anymore about my kidnap, I really don't know more than I have said . We have so much information. The stuff on the cd as well as the stuff on the original memory stick. We just need to put it all together.

If it is VS in V's brain then I guess he is the one that texted me from V's phone asking me for coffee, and that is why V doesn't remember it. I am very worried now as to what Vladmir wants with me, and if he does want to meet me, then I'm guessing Poeas will be on my tail too.


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Link to the English Beautiful Dreamer lyrics from V's blog entry. They read exactly like V talking to Vlad about her entire life.

Guessing those two XX under H le R's mail are less kissy-face and more Tarot Card (Judgement). Leaving it's tarot wisdom to our owl, D Smile And who pulled V's twitter accn't and why?
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You know what would really help? A family tree - mainly to help get our heads around who Poeas' and V's grandparents and parents are.

I might give it a go this evening, cus I'm getting quite confused.
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Excellent idea. Can you try including links to The Ministry too please, as some people have been described as its parents etc.

Folks, we're running out of time. If we're going to find this machine and do something to it we need to work out where and what it is ASAP! If it turns out to be something that needs to be collected from London or the surrounds I've only got limited time before Sunday in which I can go out and about.

The other option - I see the Minisistry say using Typhus' real name seems to have a negative effect on the project. Do we know who he/she is? If we started spamming the ning and other places with mentions of Typhus could this help sabotage things?

EDIT: just been Reading a few things on the Wiki. If Vlad is "living" in V's brain, could it be that Poeas is living in Claire's? There seem to be a few strange links between the two of them - C noticing P in a cab they jumped into - blacking out, etc. This is a worry. Would also make sense as to why V talks about "my enemy's enemy (not my friend)". Someone - please tell me I'm being silly and this can't be?

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Link to V's family tree with lotsa interesting remarks (PW: vanessaatalanta) HTH.

Bril. Had the same "spammy" idea which was why I asked Aethalides about "potential flux". His reply HERE Cyas
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I've made a list of all the songs, in order, on the CD:

1 - Drumming song: Florence and The Machine
2 - Dog Days are Over: Florence and The Machine
3 - Rabbit Heart (Raise it up): Florence and The Machine
4 - Windmills of your Mind: All Angels
5 - Piano Sonata No. 14 (Moonlight Sonata, 1st Movement): Beethoven
6 - Time and Time Again: Counting Crows
7 - Birdhouse In Your Soul: They Might Be Giants
8 - Seven Months: Portishead

Trying to work out some relevance, but no luck yet. Interestingly, V lists "Sting?" on the booklet, but he's not there. He did do a cover of Windmills though....

Edit - I wonder; does the machine involve a mirror? We have references to Alice (who entered wonderland through a looking glass the second time around) and also the poisoned apple from Snow White. The Queen who delivered the poisoned apple got her messages through a mirror. Is this how the message is to be conveyed?



On another note, watching the video again, I'm sure there's a deliberate juxtaposition of Alice and the White Rabbit and the Bridgenorth Caves. Almost as if it's trying to tell us that's the way into the rabbit hole.

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Uh-oh. Aethalides has posted a new forum thread: "Tiphys - second stage complete".

Quote:
The machine is all assembled, currently at Main HQ. Awaiting confirmation from Orpheus on exact timing of 'launch'.
We are doing the right thing, as history records he died anyway, getting one of our agents to insure this happens may have always been the case. It is not ours to deny the future the past.
Atalanta is primed to communciate and now in a state of meditation, not to be disturbed. All messages are now being dealt with by Anaceaus and myself.

May God have mercy on our souls.

A


Guess we're not looking for machine parts (unless there's another machine that can be used to disrupt the first one).
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We're still in with a chance there - it needs to be moved to a location and "launched". We may be able to disrupt that.

My biggest concern at the moment is where, and who, Poeas is. Is there anyone who's got enough of her trust, or bargining chips, that could get some info from her on the premise that we want to help her.

Contacting Orpheus is another hope - he Had been protecting V, and certainly assisted in her passing the CD. Any ideas how we could reach him?

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Should the machine need a specific location it might be in the vicinity of St Alfege Church. April 19th, what the MOA calls "RVZ8 day" is St. Alfege's day which is the "anniversary of his martyrdom".

The Atalanta.doc wrote:
Agent: Atalanta

Date of hiring: 19th April 2010 – RVZ8 day

Reason for hiring: Assist with Project Tiphys

Reason for hiring: Ensure memorial for communication at RVZ8...


From that doc: Orpheus was the field agent tasked with V's "'Uncle' to remain ill". Maybe his protection is for MOA interests?

V has a new blog entry with an Alice/Lobster Quadrille Youtube vid link that matches the circular writing in the twinkle.doc:
Quote:
See how eagerly the lobsters and the turtles all advance.

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