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amandel
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 		Shocked the claw & am so envious of your *up-close- heebie-jeebies* and very useful MOA intel to convey to Claire. An email:

Ministry of Argon wrote:
subject ALL MEMBERS - TIPHYS PROJECT INITIATED

A message to all members of Ministry of Argon
MACHINE TO BE MOVED TO: RVZ8
TIME: SUNDAY 23RD 13:00 BST
OPERATIVE: ATALANTA 1 [CONNECT THROUGH 2 STEP FAMILY CONTACT]
RISKS: MOVEMENT OF MACHINE: MINIMAL, AWARENESS OF ATALANTA, DEVELOPMENT OF FAMILIAL CONCERN
ORDER TO POISON TIPHYS BY END OF 23RD TO ALLOW 2 DAY EFFECT PROCESS AND HISTORY TO BE BALANCED

Authorised: Jason, Nestor and Atalanta 2
Date: 17/4/2010


Might the "RVZ8" location be in the vicinity of St Alfege Church in Greenwich? April 19th, what the MOA calls "RVZ8 day" is St. Alfege's day which is the "anniversary of his martyrdom".

The Atalanta.doc wrote:
Agent: Atalanta

Date of hiring: 19th April 2010 – RVZ8 day

Reason for hiring: Assist with Project Tiphys

Reason for hiring: Ensure memorial for communication at RVZ8...


ETA: The Authorization by Jason, Nestor and Atalanta 2 (Annabell, V's mom?) just 2 days before V's hiring has me spooky-worried.

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 		Poeas should go. The ministry ate expecting her, so there's less chance of her being captured, plus she can reason and talk with Dyson about what's being done in his name, and the options. This puts the choice with her family, so she's not acting for us but for Dyson. Dyson is rational, scientific and able to analyse the data and perceive what either course of action will bring if presented with the evidence. If he chooses to die, he leaves the world a hero making a sacrifice for the future. If he lives, it is through his reasoning and rational - not via a choice made by a faceless ministry or "on the whim of the gods". In short, Poeas going and communicating with him empowers Dyson, "steals fire from the gods", and puts destiny in the hands of man.

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The Claw wrote:
Who goes? Claire can, Poeas I think would....


Reckon the sporting thing to do is to inform Claire completely and allow her to decide? But when and where?
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 		Claire sent me a message. She's tried to contact Pieas asking to talk. I've set out my stall to her, saying why Pieas should go and giving the reasoning as to why she should help Poeas do this. By doing this, we steal fire from the gods and give the mortals control of their destiny. That sounds like the right thing to me, but what do I know - I'm just an owl.

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 		Believe I have gotten the same uber-long FB msg from C. about her ctc with Herald and Poeas and ending:

Claire Hoskyns wrote:
As for where the ministry is I don't know. I was going to ask you if the royal Observatory means anything to you? I've never been there but it's stuck in my head

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 		chatting with claire right now...but I don't really know what to tell her..

she asked me about the royal observatory..
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 		Another message from Claire. I suspect this is the location of the machine or the ministry.

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Claire HoskynsMay 22, 2010 at 10:23pm
Re: two paths met in thr wood...
Oh I also meant to ask, this morning when i awoke the words the basement of the royal observatory under the planetarium was etched on my mind. Does that mean anything to you?


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 		She told me the Herald sent her this...

Should she be trusting?

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Understood Vanessa.
Though, I must admit, I m one of those concerned...
Anyhow - tomorrow, 1pm. at the church - by the memorial.
Are you okay?
A
that's his reply

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 		Dunno Am more a fan of symbiosis than "trust". Use the blueprint and the prime nbr. code at the the planetarium/royal observatory today or snatch it tomorrow at St Alfege Church? Which is more feasible? Nice work btw y'all.
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 		Claire and Poeas have had this e-mail exchange:

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to Poeas from my account:

Hey,

I think we need to talk. Since you left me that day at Nat's I've been on the run from the ministry. I need to ask you why you and your grandad want to stop Vanessa using the machine. I know you said you want to save both grandfather's but there has to be a greater reason than that. I'm sad that my gramps died but I wouldn't change the fabric of time to stop it. And your granddad Vladmir doesn't want to stop it to keep Vanessa innocent. If he cared that much he wouldn't be inside her head trying to evict her.

Now I am willing to help you, but I need to know why.

Claire

xxx

Her reply:


If your grandfather was murdered by the people you worked for, and you found ou, how would you feel?
If you then had the option, somehow, of stopping it, wouldn't you?



I's more than just me though, the ministry need to be stopped - they've meddled in everyone's lives, yours, mine, my grandfathers'...

The future is a lot brighter without them - it is darker with them.
I can't ask you to believe me, you have to listen to what is right.

But soon, before them use the machine, making one of us their pawn somehow...
H le R

My reply:

How do you know about the future? You said if Vanessa doesn't use the machine then she will never have been born. You seem quite glad of the fact. So you're saying that your grandfather's life is more valuable than hers. But no real reason to explain why, just vague statements ablout the future. The ministry seem to to think if he is not killed we will be bringing some kind of nuclear holocaust to the world.

If you want me to help you, I need you to tell me.


Claire has said in chat today,

Quote:
if we aren't going to use the machine then I would rather let poeas go, and spend our last few hours together here with V
she already feels so distant.
I don't want to spend our last moments hours away
from eachother


It does make sense that if the machine isn't to be used, then Poeas can be trusted to be the one to go get it. So I told Claire maybe she should get in contact with Poeas, and pass on to her the number key...she said she's e-mailed Poeas, but received no reply. If Poeas doesn't reply, then we might not be able to make arrangements for the machine to be used, allowing for the possibility of someone else using it to make us their pawns (as Poeas seemingly fears).

I've told her my feeling on things this way:

Quote:
thing is, you are the key.

maybe Poeas feels that it should be you. so for all other people's suggestions that you stay put, and for all your desire to stay with V...I think you need to go. BUt that is me.
I mean, why would we be given password hints by A if Poeas, who knows the password, was supposed to go? and why would images of this place be in your head?

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 		I got a phone call like that today too, saying, "you know it's the right thing to do. It's inevitable. Email me". Awesome way to start the morning! *shiver* I love it Very Happy

I also agree that Poeas should go. I've emailed her as well, so we'll see if a reply comes.

Nice work everybody, as per usual Smile

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 		Laughing Laughing It's a Mexican standoff. I agreed with dreamer's reasoning that C is the "key" who should go and mailed Claire to tell her so. Nice that you are feeling better, Sirannon. Cool
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 		Thanks, Amandel! Got an email back from Poeas, basically summarizing what the choice is:

Quote:
Are you aware of the situation?
Talk to your 'friends' as I hav little time now.
I am unsure what to do - some are wanting me to go to the Ministry, one even wants me to use the machine to explain to my grandfather the situation and make him decide to kill himself!
If I do, and he does, status quo, leaving me with guilt for the rest of my life.
If I don't, or he doesn't die, I get my grandfather but potentially things change, and, according to Vladimir and JPW, a lot worse things happen. Also there is the potential for some to not even exist [Vanessa for one].
Should someone else use the machine? Ultimately it boils down to - do we kill Tiphys - doesn't it?

Please help - time is running short and the machine will be moved into place tomorrow...
Aethalides has apparently suggested to people about setting off a fire alarm to get people out, and there is a code needed which is a prime number. I was never good with maths though - do you know what the number is???
Thanks

Henriette


So, just laying out all the things we know, basically. Poor Poeas.

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 		Gotta run, but chat w/Claire (sorry, no time to make it look good):

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4:37pmMe
hey...heading off to dinner with my parents in a few minutes, but wanted to ask you: have you heard back from Poeas?
4:37pmClaire
i'm just checking
4:37pmMe
She has e-mailed Sarah, and her e-mail indicates that she knows what we want her to do, so just seeing if she's replied back to you, too
4:38pmClaire
i've heard back from the herald
I am confused. I keep being told that I shouldn't use the machine, and now you think it also? But I thought it was best for the ministry, best for all concerned. What do you think I should do?

V

Personally Vanessa? Let it all go.
I don't know what will happen to you personally my child, and for that I'm sorry. But by doing nothing, history will run its course.
If we meddle anymore, who knows what could happen.
However, we have already meddled in one sense, perhaps we have t correct things - I don't know either. All I know is that if Tiphys doesn't die, the MOA disappears, reasons for people meeting disappears and ultimately, those of the line Cardui may disappear also.
He already dies in history, perhaps we do not need to intervene?
I'm sorry, an old man waffling now.
Hoping you are safe - is Orpheus with you?
Aethalides.
i've been thinking that i need to be the key piece like you said
so if you guys agree am thinking of bgreaking into the observatory tonight
4:41pmClaire
this from V
The ministry from the/a possible future sent us the information last year, about November time explaining that their timeline had been altered, by somethingdone now. They looked into it, with their history having a lot darker atmospheres and nucleur power for almost everyhting, with the waste being shipped to third world countries.
They claim, and again, I only had JPWs word, and my grandfather [Vladimir]'s that this was true as they were the only ones contacted.
I am not happy about what would happen to Vanessa - but she, to be honest, is not related to me. I am biased, and so are the ministry.

It boils down to the one question: who do you care for more, the world or your friend?
I'll do what you want, as I feel guilty enough for what the ministry did to you via me.

Sorry once again
H le R
poeas even lol
i said to amandel that I could get the machine from the ministry tonight
using the sprinkler idea
I will need support from someone as i have no idea what i'm looking for
4:43pmMe
What time would you go? I am going out for dinner pretty much now with my parents and would be gone for probably an hour and a half...but you have to drive there anyway, right?
4:43pmClaire
then bring the machine here
4:43pmMe
I am all for you breaking in and getting the machine.
4:43pmClaire
yeah about 2 hours
then if we decide poeas can use it bring her here and let her
I know it's dangerous, but we more than likely won't be here tomorrow anyways
4:44pmMe
the ministry seems big on the machine being used at the church.
but I guess once you have the machine, you could take it to the church tomorrow, if it's important it be used there.
4:45pmClaire
but it doesn't have to be does it?
4:45pmMe
that would be a good thing to ask Poeas and Aethalides.
4:45pmClaire
we don't want to do what the ministry says anways
ok i will, then i'll set off
4:45pmMe
Ok, cool.
talk to you in a couple hours, then?
4:46pmClaire
there are deeper caves here in the chapel part. I am going to hide V there
4:46pmMe
good idea
4:46pmClaire
if anything happens to me you guys know where she is
now go and enjoy your meal
talk to you later
xxx

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 		I have sent this message to Claire and Poeas.

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Time waits for no man. It marches onwards like a famished army of locusts, devouring all that cross its path. 

The time has come to take a stand. 

From my lofty position on the top of the mast, this owl sees many sections of the ship. The crew debate and argue on what to do, and all the while we move closer to the Ministry's rocks, soon to be dashed upon them. The crew's voices call for you to move this way and that. To do one thing and another. All crying out, but not as one. 

Claire, Poeas, Vanessa. You have a choice to make. 

I'm not going to tell you what to do. Who am I to order your lives, existances or those of your relatives?  I'm not even going to ask you to do anything, apart from this; listen to what I have to say and act in the way you all think is best.

These are the facts as I see them:

If action is not taken, the ministry will put into action their plan. Dyson will be murdered. The ministry will continue. This "reality" will likely result.

The ministry say they do this in Dyson's name. Should he not die, his work will inspire other great minds and unlock secrets and mysteries that lead to the deaths of millions. They say this murder of the man they hail as their father is for the greater good - that time manipulation and nuclear weaponary will become available before the world is ready for them. (will the world ever be ready for them?)

But can the ministry be trusted?  We know full well they are capable of great manipulation themselves. They hide behind obfuscatory "facts" that we cannot prove, and we have seen and decoded documents from the ministry calling for the emotional and logical manipulation of it's members and recruits in order to further this project - including mention of stating great loss of life will occur if Dyson doesn't die. 

The ministry claims history is fixed and set. Should the project fail, there is absolute certainty that the resultant timeline will be horrific. Fate does not play games, they say. Yet I am not so sure. Messages and hints of chaos theory constantly appear to us - not least in V's very image. The butterfly that flaps its wings and causes a hurricane. Games are constantly played, and the ministry has not chosen Greek mythology by accident. They see themselves as the Olympians, using mortals as mere pawns in their celestial game of chess. 

It is time to steal fire from the gods, and give man control of his destiny. This is not a choice for the ministry to make. This is not a choice for those who watch and seek to help you to make. In a way, it isn't even a choice for you to make. 

There is a chance the ministry, for all their machinations and manipulations, is really telling the truth. If the weight of history hangs on a single man at a single point, then HE must have some say in the matter. 

Dyson should be empowered, informed and allowed to choose his own fate. He is a hugely intelligent man. Rational, analytical and scientific. When presented with evidence he will be able to comprehend the meaning behind it, hear what people claim to do in his name and form opinions accordingly. Only he knows where his studies are likely to take the world, and only he can recognise the likelyhood of the Ministry's statements being true or false. 

HE DOES NOT HAVE TO DIE, least of all be murdered. A rational and intelligent man will recognise there are many courses of action that can remove his presence from this world. As Lucan did, he can vanish from plain sight. He can cause himself to appear dead to the world, when he really exists elsewhere. 

And should he decide the risk to the world of him existing on this mortal plain, then that is HIS choice. Bur he will have been through the variants and possibilities. Whatever happens should he vanish or hide or die he will be a hero, making a sacrifice for all those who are yet to come. Generations yet to be born. He will have given up life as he knew it for the sake of billions. 

The choice is his and his alone. Without action we take a great risk - the ministry have things in action already and have stated the project will be initiated tomorrow at 13:00. They will remove choice. Dyson will die, for worse or better. 

If the machine is destroyed without Dyson being given the facts, we run the risk that The Ministry foolishly hid the truth in a blanket of lies, and doom generations to a living hell - all because we acted as gods, as the ministry would, and removed man's choice. 

That is my statement. I thank you for taking time to read and digest. The choice and actions ahead - I do not envy any of you. You will need to support each other in whatever best ways you can in this. Give trust and be trustworthy. You can prevent a murder and Potentially save millions in one stroke. 

Whatever happens, we may never meet again. Time may change. We may all cease to exist. I would like to say - it has been an honour and a pleasure to know all of you, and I hope this little owl has been at least of some help and comfort to you. I hope to know you again, but wish you well in whatever you do, or do not do. The choice is yours. 

And should you ever need a key, you could do worse than try 73939133. 

Be well, and as always, keep amazing. 

Paul. X


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