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[SPEC] Kumal's Sister=Sleeping Princess
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AlexofMaceidon
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 		[SPEC] Kumal's Sister=Sleeping Princess
This sounds crazy I know, but before you whip out your flames on the newbie, let me finish, I don't post anywhere without thinking it through first.

So the general consciousness is that Kumal's sister was replaced by a flash clone, I don't read books made off of video game storylines myself, so I'm taking the mass of people's words for it that this assumption makes since.

If KS wasn't used to make Spartan two, but instead Durga like wiki suggests, http://bees.netninja.com then that would explain Durga's strange attraction to Kumal, and, if you follow me, why she can't know who she is.

you see, if they took a human's brain to make an AI then I assume that they would be stuck with taking all or none of it. But, what do you do with the emotions of a 6-year-old that are attached to that same human brain.

What if you just bottled them up, say, in a GLASS COFFIN (perfect symbolism because everyone thinks she's dead) When Durga tries to look at herself, she would be reflected by the surface of this "glass coffin".

Check SP's most recent post, she says that she was probably able to escape from the coffin because of what the queen calls "the Shipwreck" which we know to be the crashing of the Apocolipso.

So the ship crashes and this somehow hurts the programming on the coffin, so SP gets out, essentially a 6-year-old's base emotions (soundly explaining the constant use of children's fairy tales) but how do we know this is the same 6-year-old?

Cut to conversations with the flee. Specifically gretel.html

and I quote "I've always been good with languages."

this is emphasized simply because the SP is talking about her past (something she doesn't seem to know a lot about) and because Kumal also know someone who was "good with languages", his little sister who died a long time ago.

So if I'm right, then we have a Covenant Chatter Disrupter Program, a Super Computer AI, and a 6-year-old girl all stuck on a website about bees.




I love these games.



Edited this post to get some of the spelling errors out, with any luck I won't look so ridiculous when people start reading this post now.[/i]
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:31 pm
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 		Despite your spelling this is what I got out of your post:

{Kamal's Sister=Durga=Sleeping Princess} Right?

In essence, KS (who was six years old) was used as a template for an AI.
That AI was then spilt into two parts. The logical and the emotional.
Neither has any recollection of their past but the Durga half has a strange attraction to Kamal and the SP half (who has a telling connection to KS
through "languages") is somehow stuck in the past with a fairytale fixation.
Right?
If this is correct then it could explain why the "Queen" is intercepting
these messages. They're not being sent to her. They're meant for (or
unknowingly being sent to) SP.
As far as [Spec] goes, it's as good as any but "How did KS/Durga/SP get
involved in this whole mess in the first place?"

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 		I hate you Alex. If you had waited just a little longer to post I might've figured that out for myself. You should just keep to not posting, ass.

(But seriously, nice work there. I think you may be on to something good.)

The only question I have is, why make an AI of a 6-year-old girl (or perhaps even younger - I'm unsure how long it takes a flash clone to defect)? Maybe just because this girl seemed particularly special? Or maybe using a younger brain allows the AI to stay effective past the 7 year limit? Or maybe it was designed to do something that requires a child's simple perspective of things? I dunno, but that is some excellent spec you came up with Alex, if this ARG-rookie may say so (maybe you oughta speak up more often, eh?).
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AngriBuddhist wrote:
the SP half (who has a telling connection to KS
through "languages") is somehow stuck in the past with a fairytale fixation.
Right?


Ahhh...

Fact: Kamal said his dad read his sister to SLEEP every night - probably with fairy tales.

Conjecture: This produced the AI we know as SP - SLEEPING princess

Fact: Kamal hooked up a chatter for his sister so she could listen to a bunch of languages as she stayed awake in bed.

Conjecture: This produced the AI we nows as Durga - the Chatter network tapping extroardinaire.

Why this makes sense:

Conjecture: When Kamal's sister was scanned as an AI template, two linked AI's emerged.

The origin of SP:
Kamal's sister heads off the bed.
Kamal's dad reads story to Kamal's sister to make her fall asleep. (from wav)
The SP personality in Kamal's sister goes dormant.
(thus all its memories are of fairytales)

The origin of Durga:
Kamal's sister complains that she can't fall asleep.
This is because the oppressed personality is awakened at the absence of the fairy tale personality.
She needs to hear a multilingual chatter tap to fall asleep. (from wav)
The Durga personality in Kamal's sister goes dormant.
(thus it has gained great expertise in tapping chatter nets.)

Since both her personalities are dormant - Kamal's sister can then go to sleep.

This bedtime ritual repeats itself over and over as both of Kamal's sister's personalities develop more and more.

Kamal's sister is then made an AI template and suprisingly - a double AI comes out. However, the AI mappers aren't aware of the AI's dual nature.

After the accident/power flux - the AI's are seperated.

If these two AI's are reunited (and neither is damaged too much) - they should recognize Kamal with their combined memories.

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 		Ok, then why does SP say that she is older than both the Queen and the
Flea?

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AngriBuddhist wrote:
Ok, then why does SP say that she is older than both the Queen and the
Flea?


That's easy - She is over 7 years old. AI's die at 7 years, so she is older than both of the other AI's. She is remembering her human age.

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 		fyzle I give you along with Alex an "A" for effort on all of this but
the whole "she remembers her human age" thing just seems too easy.

It's like bending the rules and letting your girlfriend in the "boys only"
club house because you want to kiss her. It feels like a good idea but only
to you. And her, hopefully. Wink

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AngriBuddhist wrote:
fyzle I give you along with Alex an "A" for effort on all of this but
the whole "she remembers her human age" thing just seems too easy.

It's like bending the rules and letting your girlfriend in the "boys only"
club house because you want to kiss her. It feels like a good idea but only
to you. And her, hopefully. Wink


Well, I think it's probable.

Look, SP/Durga was the only split AI.

Like Saimese twins, one of them took a critical component and given the better chance at life, whereas the other one was given the lesser chance and a lot of medical help.

(BTW - that is how twin splitting works in real life. You have to choose one that you prefer if there are any shared kidneys, arteries etc.)

Durga kept the chatter hacking memories and SP kept the personal memories + the bedtime stories. (Since SP was the dominant personality during the day up to the point of the bedtime stories from Kamal.)

SPDR was the medical help for SP. And it worked, sort of.

SPDR and the Flea are Human-written AI's, not mapped from a living brain, but actually developed by code engineers. That means they don't have a memory of thier former incarnations, since they have none. They probably have a simple timestamp for a birthday.

However, as an AI, the SP sees the other two AI's ages by the timestamp and recognizes that she is older than both of them, although she cannot see her own timestamp since she is "reflected" just like Durga is when she tries to find out her own name.

The only time reference SP has for her age is how old she remembers she is.

The only age related fact she knows without having to query, or "ask," herself is her human birthday, and thus, older than the other two AI's.

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 		Now that makes way too much sense. You got me.
That [SPEC] sounds so valid that you are starting to scare me.
Sometimes I wonder if the PM's post here and you my friend are making
me wonder. Rolling Eyes

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AngriBuddhist wrote:
Now that makes way too much sense. You got me.
That [SPEC] sounds so valid that you are starting to scare me.
Sometimes I wonder if the PM's post here and you my friend are making
me wonder. Rolling Eyes


You know what I am?

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 		Let me guess, good at your job?

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AngriBuddhist wrote:
Let me guess, good at your job?

Yes.

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 		from inside one of the killer.jpgs:
Quote:
This is not a field-expedient body yet. I look at the wreckage of my delirium, bits spilled from old days,

See? The SP has memories! [/strike]

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 		Weren't the original killer.jpgs written by the Queen/Melissa?
That doesn't sound like SP.

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AngriBuddhist wrote:
Weren't the original killer.jpgs written by the Queen/Melissa?
That doesn't sound like SP.


Oh you're right.

Well, here's a supporting piece of evidence from the 404 page.

"I myself have been listening to some of the messages the Queen is
sending out. I don't really like to. It makes me feel strange
inside. That feeling you get when you're in a dream and something is
wrong but you don't know what it is but you know it's something
terrible."

"I don't really like to."

Clarification:
SP doesn't like to eavesdrop - that is the Durga personality's interest.

"That feeling you get when you're in a dream and something is
wrong"

Clarification:
Let "KS" be shorthand for "Kamal's Sister."

1. KS is sent to bed.
2. Kamal reads story to put KS to sleep.
3. KS's SP personality goes to sleep.
4. KS cannot sleep - the Durga personality is keeping her up.
5. Kamal hacks up a chatter feed and the Durga personality concentrates on the feed.
6. During this time, the SP personality gets the strange feeling that she is doing something terrible, such as eavesdropping on a chatter net, but she thinks it's just a dream.

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