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[UPDATE] ROUND 3 AXONS (9/3): fable.html
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Zantetsuken
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 		Florida Axons
10:01 (winning)
Orlando, FL

This is another dead end, just to be awares. GPS coords were right on top of City Hall, which up until a few weeks ago had a set of payphones inside the lobby. Due to ongoing renovations, however, that phone bank no longer exists. Confused The surrounding area is bustling with large commercial buildings, and pinpointing any viable alternate phones will take some time. Don't know if I can do it all in time, but I'm gonna try...

Also tying to find time to get out that random axon 33 miles SW of Orlando. Although the wav has been unlocked (kiss_them)

OT P.S. Just out of curiosity...... does anyone else lurking around out there (like I've been doing Wink) live in the Florida area? I feel like I'm the only axon hunter in this diminuitive state...

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 		We've been tricked
The new file mentions the covenant... Forgive my wild spec here, but I'm starting to think that this may just be a bungie promo stunt rather than an actual AI from the future crashing onto a legitimate honey site... anyone else feel deceived?

As Always,
Chris Cauley

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 		Re: We've been tricked
dustinechos wrote:
The new file mentions the covenant... Forgive my wild spec here, but I'm starting to think that this may just be a bungie promo stunt rather than an actual AI from the future crashing onto a legitimate honey site... anyone else feel deceived?

As Always,
Chris Cauley


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xnbomb
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 		It just doesn't add up ... axons by the numbers
Aspmaster wrote:
By doing this, I noticed the calculations were off on ILB, which is what prompted me to ask what happened to the missing axons

Aspmaster (and other interested axon mathematicians),

I just checked the math myself on the sum of successful axons from the previous rounds and hot axons from this round, and I do see a discrepancy. Here's what I've got from my count:

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152  Links (SUCCESS + ERROR)
211  Hivekuts (SUCCESS)
  8  Recipe (HOT from looking at ilovebees at the end of Sept. 10th)
157  Fable (HOT from looking at ilovebees at the end of Sept. 10th)
---  ---------------------------------------------------------------
528  Total (the counter said 496 at the end of Sept. 10th)


By my count we have a discrepancy of 32 (or 31 if the ERROR in links is not meant to count). If we assume they aren't making a math/programming blunder, then we have to start thinking that there is something about the rules of axons counting towards the 777 that we don't yet understand.

A reasonable first hypothesis is that we are penalized for not making an axon hot in a subsequent round that was hot in a previous round ... you might think of this in terms of the idea that for an axon to stay hot, we have to answer its phone in each round, or we lose credit for it. Unfortunately, I can't make the math support this hypothesis perfectly with the data we have handy at this point, but with what we do have, it's not far off and we only have to check a couple more things to test this fully:

Let's assume that we can't be penalized yet for failing to keep an axon hot in the fable round, since it's not over yet. Looking at your fable axons table (and updating as appropriate), I find 16 instances where an axon that was hot in links was not hot in hivekuts and is not hot in fable as I post this. You might guess that we lose credit for those 16.

That still leaves us 16 short (or 15 if the error doesn't count) of explaining the discrepancy in this way at the present time. But your fable axon table only includes those axons that were reused in fable, right? Looking at your other table of missing axons from links.html that were never seen again, I count 18 that were made hot in links but never appeared again, plus the one error axon (19 short with that one). That is tantalizingly close to adding up just right ... a total of 34 AXON SUCCESS links axons that either were not reheated in hivekuts (and have not been reheated yet in fable) or were dropped entirely (making them impossible to reheat). If there are two axons in that bunch that did reappear and we just haven't properly identified that fact (possibly owing to some coordinates changing mysteriously on some occasion) I think we have an explanation for the difference between the 496 on the counter and the 528 that are HOT/SUCCESS/ERROR. Any chance that two of those lost links axons got used on recipe3.html? I'll leave that for someone else to check. Or maybe there were two that were HOT in hivekuts that weren't included in fable? That one's for you Aspmaster.

Now, some vaguely related thoughts on where we're at in general (that do not assume that a once hot axon needs help to stay hot):

It's astonishing to think we might heat less axons in fable than we did in hivekuts, but it looks to me like it could happen. I'm hoping a lot of people will go out to currently cold axons on the weekend (especially the few we need for the last outstanding .wavs), but I'm concerned.

The real problem as I see it is getting to 777 if the next round is the last one. EDIT: We now have found 408 axons in in Princess' prelimary coordinates, suggesting 24 sets of 17 or 34 sets of 12. If we guess that it is 34 sets and we are required to get 7 axons per set to unlock a sound file, that would give us 238 axons if we only unlock enough axons required to get the sound files (which is something we haven't even managed to do in the fable.html round). This might not be enough to reach 777, because we are likely to finish this round not that much above 500 at the rate we are going. If the next round is the last round of axons, we will have to get more extra axons on fable and the next set, and based on our recent performance, that looks like it might be challenging.

At the very least, I'd like to see us get fable axons that we have gotten in previous rounds ... we know those phones are findable and answerable ... we know this because someone has done it previously. I'll post another message like the last one I did on Saturday night after 9:00 PDT ... a final call to arms for Sunday and Monday, unless we make astonishing progress in the next 19 hours or so Smile . I might even post in some regional threads to call their attention to axons in their regions that have been heated in previous rounds, but not yet in this one.

About the 777 count and errors: Earlier this week (yesterday I think), the counts on link/hivekuts and fable/recipe3 did not match up ... fable/recipe3 counts were 1 greater than links/hivekuts counts for a while, but they've fixed it now. I wonder if this had something to do with counting the ERROR axon and then deciding not to count it? That brief period of inconsistency tells us that they can and do make mistakes (or at least change their minds), and we should check up on them. But this discrepancy of 32 is just too big for that sort of explanation Smile .

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marq
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 		06:29 PDT Axon report
Attempted this one this morning.
06:29 PDT
35.228118 -080.841573

For those of you that may know the Charlotte, NC area, this spot is uptown on 5th at Tryon. Of course there is no phone at that spot, but there is a kiosk with two phones across Tryon and an identical kiosk across 5th in front of Blumenthol Performing Arts with one phone (the other has been removed).

Needless to say I was alone and chose...poorly. It is NOT the one in front of Blumenthol. I'll see if I can stretch my wife's good will with a second morning run tomorrow and get that "surgery" wav unlcoked.

I did get the 06:55 PDT axon enhotenated. I've gotten that one in all of the previous rounds as well. Not a total loss.

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Thoth
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 		Oops...
*I accidently posted this yesterday in the recipe3 thread, I'm pasting it here where it's supposed to go. sorry.

Hey all, first-time poster, long-time follower of the situation.

I'm in Chicago visiting a friend for the weekend, and we're planning on hitting the Taxes_Suck at 7:25am (41.947079 - 87.653555) on Saturday morning. I'll post ASAP after that.

My girlfriend (tried to) hit the mineapolis Axon this morning, but the phone doesn't take incoming calls... is there a list somewhere of the known locations that can't go hot due to technical problems?

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 		Oops, part 2...
*As above, only I posted this one just a few minutes ago. Again, sorry.

Taxes_suck at 7:25 is HOT and archived now!

Big thanks to Rose for helping me get to there, and to Evan for being there so we could watch both phones!

I don't know where (if at all) people are keeping track of location notes, but the phone for this one is ON the train platform (not downstiars at the station - those three don't accept incoming calls), on the north end (if you look to your left from the phone you are looking over a parking lot at Wrigley Field). The satellite shot was pointing to the phone that is directly over the street, but the one that rang was the north end.

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Aspmaster
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 		Hey xnbomb,

Thanks for your help investigating this problem with the axon count. I don't know how much investigation I will get done this weekend because my wife has so much work that she wants me to get done, but we'll see.

She already thinks I'm the biggest nerd in the world because of this whole ILB game. Smile

Keep up the good work!

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 		I got the Stevensville, MT(Insurrection -7:03 am) axon this morning for one of the other axons to complete insurrection. Way to go whomever else got their axon!

The phone is in the super one foods store next to the dry ice machine. the left of two phones rang. interestingly enough the exchange for the numbers was 777. I wonder if that is why they picked that phone. Also, As I was driving back from the store I went an alternate route because of road construction and noticed bout a mile away from the gps coordinates the stevensville high school. guess what their mascot is....A yellowjacket. weird coincidence huh?

I then made the much longer treck to the Ronan ,MT axon Dana mentioned. I got to the location about 50 mintes earlier and scouted phones. unfotunately, there were two near the coordinates one in an RV park and one outside a sinclair gas station. I couldn't cover both so I decided to go up the road a ways and check out the polson, MT axon which was used last week but skipped this week and looks to be on the list for next week again. That one is in either the safeway store(I didn't check inside for phones or the Walmart next door. About this time I decided to get back to the Ronan axon. unfortunately I picked the rv phone since it was closer to the actual coordinates. no luck, no ring and I even picked up the receiver a few times around 9:39 PDT but no luck. I then went back to the sinclair and asked if they heard the phone ring(it was right outside the check out counter) but they had not heard it ring. I didn't ask anymore questions since the axon is not on next week's list.

If any body from Western Montana besides me see this and would like to get together to cover the polson axon next week (if it is needed) please PM me.
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 		Re: Oops, part 2...
Thoth wrote:
The satellite shot was pointing to the phone that is directly over the street, but the one that rang was the north end.


Yeah, zero1, Grout, and I realized that on August 24th when we enhotenated the Beer axon there. Smile Good job!

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 		Counting Axons
xnbomb:

I just pulled the data from the hivekuts.html page, pasted it into excel, removed all extraneous cells, put the AXON SUCCESS / AXON CANCELLED cells into one column, then sorted alphabetically, and deleted all of the cancelled cells.

That left me with 210 successful axons.

In addition, when the one axon from links.html was prematurely cancelled, I verified that it did not count toward the total axons. I verified it because I was there looking for that phone the day they cancelled it, and was disappointed that it was not included.

So that is another 151.

As of 4:06 PDT there are 9 hot axons on recipe3.html

and there are 172 active on fable.html.

that is 542, with 512 in the counter up top.

so the difference is exactly 30.

Three-zero. they sure do like the number 3. is there some reason for it? That screams to me that there is a reason. 32 or 31...no. but exactly 30 off?

I just realized this should probably go somewhere else....but I am not sure where, since it is a direct reply to the above post...
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 		Getting close to the end ...
ariock wrote:
so the difference is exactly 30

I'm the first to admit I could have miscounted any of the groups (apparently I counted one extra for hivekuts), as I did it manually ... but I was in the ballpark Smile . Oddly enough, Aspmaster found a discrepancy of 20 on an earlier occasion. What could it mean? I really don't know, other than the one suggestion I've already made but cannot prove.

We are approaching the last chance saloon for a few .wavs on fable.html. We have two days left. Here are the 'axons of opportunity' that have been previously made hot that can get us these .wavs in the next two days:

Austin, Minnesota (6:11, surgery.wav needs 1 axon)
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (6:15, surgery.wav needs 1 axon)
Baltimore, Maryland (6:35, zip_your_shirt.wav needs 1 axon)
New York, New York (6:39, zip_your_shirt.wav needs 1 axon)
Dothan, Alabama (9:43, winning.wav needs 2 axons)
Round Hill, New York (9:45, winning.wav needs 2 axons)
West Lafayette, Louisiana (9:49, winning.wav needs 2 axons)
Denver, Colorado (9:55, winning.wav needs 2 axons)
Sedalia, Missouri (10:59, thin_kinkle.wav needs 2 axons)
Minneapolis, Minnesota (11:01, thin_kinkle.wav needs 2 axons)
Paramus, New Jersey (11:05, thin_kinkle.wav needs 2 axons)
Salt Lake City, Utah (15:21, i_durga.wav needs 1 axon)
Boulder, Colorado (15:23, i_durga.wav needs 1 axon)

Obviously, there are plenty of other axons that would do the trick, but they are untested in the sense that they have never been made hot before. I've attached an updated version of the Excel file I posted a couple of days ago that has the axon information for just these .wavs that we haven't got yet.

Disclaimer: Of course, go out there and enhottenate any axons that you can Smile . But if at all possible, please try to get some of these axons hot ... we need them Smile .
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 		4:05 PDT "butter_flavored" is now hot... It turned out not to be the phones at Movieland as the other two times at those coords but the phone in front of the Po Folks resturant next door. Should make future enhotentating interesting at that spot.
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OT P.S. Just out of curiosity...... does anyone else lurking around out there (like I've been doing ) live in the Florida area? I feel like I'm the only axon hunter in this diminuitive state...


I don't; but Bill, that is Bill, our Bill (who is also the Bill from deaddrop.us), lives in Florida and has enhottenated several axons. He has posted about them here and on deaddrop.

Good work you Florida guys!! Stay safe.


Also, I will try for the New York location for zip your shirt tomorrow. Other people have posted exactly where it is to be found so I should be able to get it.

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 		If anybody knows where the phone is for:

Minneapolis, Minnesota (11:01, thin_kinkle.wav needs 2 axons)

I can nail it on Monday. My girlfriend tried to hit it on Friday morning, but she said the only phone she could find didn't take calls... anybody have detailed location info?

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