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[ANALYSIS] HD trailer 1
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comadarkvale
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FilmEdge wrote:
For reversed dialogue to appear in such processing, we'd have to hear 'backwards speech' in the original trailer — it's not going to appear out of nowhere. Witness the reversed line at the end of CLOVERFIELD — you could hear that it's someone saying something but it's unintelligible until played backwards.

While there was a great deal of distortion in the dialogue during the SUPER 8 trailer, I don't hear any backwards-masked words or sounds — and if they're aren't any playing forward, there shouldn't be any in reverse gear.
i concur
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Darkreaperluke
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AmblinAlong wrote:
Darkreaperluke wrote:
Ok...I think it is a trout but look at this



Is it just me or is there the children face and the word MUD or MOD? I simply turned the Teaserframe 2084 by 180° because I saw the word and wondered about it...


Can you tell what time in the clip this occured, i almost know every frame and don't recall this so i would like to blow it up in HD if i can.


I'm sorry, but I can't tell you. I just grabbed the frame 2084 (That's the name of the picture when you click on it) which was posted on the top of page 20 of this thread, turned it by 180° and found this...

PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2010 5:27 am
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 		Audio
I made another copy of the trailer's audio. I didn't remove the background noise, just reduced the volume on those times.
Forward is here: http://www.filefront.com/16585207/sup8.mp3
Reversed is here: http://www.filefront.com/16585245/sup8_rev.mp3
I can't hear anything in the reversed version.
There's just that strange sirene-like noise during the transmissions that is kind of odd.

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 		Re: Audio
SeekerX wrote:
I made another copy of the trailer's audio. I didn't remove the background noise, just reduced the volume on those times.
Forward is here: http://www.filefront.com/16585207/sup8.mp3
Reversed is here: http://www.filefront.com/16585245/sup8_rev.mp3
I can't hear anything in the reversed version.
There's just that strange sirene-like noise during the transmissions that is kind of odd.
i dont hear anything either nice job tho
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 		Re: Audio
SeekerX wrote:
I made another copy of the trailer's audio. I didn't remove the background noise, just reduced the volume on those times.
Forward is here: http://www.filefront.com/16585207/sup8.mp3
Reversed is here: http://www.filefront.com/16585245/sup8_rev.mp3
I can't hear anything in the reversed version.
There's just that strange sirene-like noise during the transmissions that is kind of odd.


good job!!

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 		Maybe it's matrixing, I don't know? I was just messing around with Photoshop and extracted this from the trailer clip and touched it up as best I could.



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 		ALIEN!

That's definitely an alien. How many places might we find those in what we have so far?
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 		Is there anyone with the resources to take the HD trailer and extract each surround sound track individually? Dennis (CloverfieldClues) did this for Cloverfield's teaser and trailer back in the day. (Where is he anyway? We could use his skills.)
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 		Not really a clue but...
This maybe belongs in the "spec" thread.

So...one of the things I noticed/thought about in the trailer is how after the accident the "creature" is apparently turning the wheel on the train car (from the inside), and that looks more like some kind of telekinesis than actually turning it from the inside - the wheel spins all the way off...before the creature actually busts/pounds its way out.

So I thought hmmm...if it could do that, why did it need to wait for a train crash? In fact, what are they doing moving it without heavy escort if it can do things like that?

And I noticed that right before the creature starts doing anything, the power pole falls across the train car. That made me think that the creature is either sedated or frozen or something, and the electricity jolting through the car actually wakes it up.

Except if that's true, then the whole thing about it "controlling" the truck driver to get him to crash into the train doesn't make sense. The driver would have had to do it on his own, because the creature wouldn't have been awake/aware until after the crash.

Just thought it was interesting so sharing. Smile

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 		Senjut, I agree that the downed power line could have 'activated' the subject in some way, thus delaying its (seemingly easy) escape until that moment.

I hadn't heard the theory about the creature forcing the driver to hit the train, must have missed that speculation. I doubt that's the case though for two reasons:

1) Without the driver's willing attack on/sacrifice at the train collision, there's no real drama in the scene. But more importantly...

2) If the prisoner could arrange for a driver way out on the roads to hurtle toward a train crossing at just the right time... why not simply force the train engineer to stop the train directly, or psychically derail the train itself? Why use humans as pawns at all if it's that powerful?

And if the creature could destroy its enemies with its mind — or force them to destroy themselves — there's not much story left to tell beyond THE DAY THAT THING DESTROYED EARTH. Smile

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Euchre wrote:
Is there anyone with the resources to take the HD trailer and extract each surround sound track individually? Dennis (CloverfieldClues) did this for Cloverfield's teaser and trailer back in the day. (Where is he anyway? We could use his skills.)


Working on it. Turned out to be a little complicated Smile.
First I had to get me a copy of the trailer. Found one in .mov format.
Currently encoding this to a .vob file using the "Super" video converter, 6 channels activated.
Then I'll use the DVD Audio Extractor from http://www.castudio.org/products.php to rip the single channels. Not sure if it will work.

Edit: This audio extractor sucks, imo. Output is stuttering. Will have to search for another one.

Edit2: Stupid question but is there 5.1 sound in a .mov file? I can't test it because I only have a stereo system here.

Edit3: LOL, seems to me this trailer is only available in stereo... well, time spent. Do you still want to have the two channels separated?

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 		I know yall are on the audio kick atm, but regarding the alien, this just popped into my head...

If the aliens are the grays, there's always a possibility that the captive cargo used its well known telekenetic abilities to control the truck, perhaps against the will of the driver, or control the driver to cause the crash ;-p


Just sayin! Never know. Them grays got skillz.
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 		You can download the trailer from Apple's own site with a small amount of trickery. I'm pretty sure the 1080p trailer uses 5.1, but I don't have 5.1 output set up from my mini. I would need to check the Movie Inspector in Quicktime. I'll do that later. There should be a way to extract the channels with Super, but I think it'll involve re-encoding and thus won't produce pristine tracks. That's what I was hoping for, and I know there are editors which can do that. I believe each track is really just MP3 encoded data without the container, so extraction can be done by just applying the container. It could be the tracks are some other encoding, but the point is that with the right program, you can just peel out that data and apply the container and you've got a pristine file of the original track.
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 		AAC-AC3
Here's quite an interesting but long article about Apple's strategy when it comes to surround sound:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/147048D8-D8B7-45E7-9A97-3CD5B4C2B75A.html
Interesting part is pretty much mid-height of the page, AAC 5.1 Audio.

You're right, Euchre. I didn't rip it myself from Apple's site. I got me a 1080p/HD .mov, though. So I guess that is a copy from this original source. Can't tell for sure, though.
As I see it, "Super" is not able to rip the 6 channels into seperate files. It can rip "Audio only" and produce a stereo track in OOG, AC3, WAV, whatever. But no seperate mono-files.
This other "DVD Audio Extractor" is able to do it and I read some good opinions about it on the net. Yet, I don't really understand the differences between AAC and AC3. Maybe that is the problem. Like, I also didn't really get your explanations about containers and such, I missed that evolution Smile. I used to work with 16- or 24- multitrack analog machines, way easier Smile.
But I'm really hooked to this, now that it came up and would very much like to be of help. Maybe someone else can do the ripping and publish the tracks in .wav? I'd be happy to process them afterwards.

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 		The 1080p downloadable trailer from Apple has only 2 audio channels.

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