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AmblinAlong
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geezyj wrote:
AmblinAlong wrote:
IT's F-ing morse code! That works with pitches and frequencies and you can translate it to alphanumerics!

Think about it. Something simple like IS ALIVE could translate to something that short almost...

exactly what I came to post! Anyone familiar with morse?


I found a decoder online real quick and since i have sped up the original file..2x

and the changed the pitch down(to slow it) it sounds very close to HELP.

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 		well done
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 		That's a whole lot of work for...

Help
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Eleven72
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 		This looks VERY promising. White noise, ESP type things. AND its acronym is CNV. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contingent_negative_variation

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Melodyman
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 		Morse code works on a series on monotone beeps of different lengths,,. not pitches. There were no variable oscillators back then.

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RasGold
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 		Musical Notes ...
I passed on the sound file to a musician I know to decipher during his lunch hour ... He says it's:
C# F# C# G# C# D# D# G#
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EDIT----->As I am not musically inclined, I inadvertently post this with the symbol for "sharp" as opposed to "flat" (which is a little "b"). ... I'm going to leave the post as it stands with this edit<------EDIT
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I argued that the last note seems much higher than the 4th note (and placing them side-by-side seems to prove this).

The mentioned note configuration, when googled, reveals little more than some Shakespearian nonsense ...

However, if an A# is substituted for the last note:
starbase.jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
CCSD3ZF0000100000001NJPL3IF0PDS200000001 = SFDU_LABEL

/* FILE FORMAT AND LENGTH */

RECORD_TYPE = FIXED_LENGTH
RECORD_BYTES = 3104
FILE_RECORDS = 3106
LABEL_RECORDS = 1

/* POINTERS TO START RECORDS OF OBJECTS IN FILE */

^IMAGE_HISTOGRAM = 2
^IMAGE = 3

/* IMAGE DESCRIPTION */

DATA_SET_ID = "VO1/VO2-M-VIS-5-DIM-V1.0"
SPACECRAFT_NAME = VIKING_ORBITER_1
TARGET_NAME = MARS
IMAGE_TIME = 1980-04-06T08:00:00
ORBIT_NUMBER = 1378
FILTER_NAME = SYNTHETIC_GREEN
IMAGE_ID = "MG04S341-SGR-378S"
INSTRUMENT_NAME = {VISUAL_IMAGING_SUBSYSTEM_CAMERA_A,
VISUAL_IMAGING_SUBSYSTEM_CAMERA_B}
NOTE = "MARS MULTI-SPECTRAL MDIM SERIES"

/* DESCRIPTION OF OBJECTS CONTAINED IN FILE */

OBJECT = IMAGE_HISTOGRAM
ITEMS = 256
ITEM_TYPE = VAX_INTEGER
ITEM_BITS = 32
END_OBJECT = IMAGE_HISTOGRAM

OBJECT = IMAGE
LINES = 3104
LINE_SAMPLES = 3104
SAMPLE_TYPE = UNSIGNED_INTEGER
SAMPLE_BITS = 8
SAMPLE_BIT_MASK = 2#11111111#
CHECKSUM = 580176960
/* I/F = SCALING_FACTOR*DN + OFFSET, CONVERT TO INTENSITY/FLUX */
SCALING_FACTOR = 0.001000
OFFSET = 0.0
/* OPTIMUM COLOR STRETCH FOR DISPLAY OF COLOR IMAGES */
STRETCHED_FLAG = FALSE
STRETCH_MINIMUM = ( 38, 0)
STRETCH_MAXIMUM = (131,255)
END_OBJECT = IMAGE

END

Source: http://starbase.jpl.nasa.gov/vo1_vo2-m-vis-5-dim-v1.0/vo_2011/special/378sp/mg04s341.sgr
The "IMAGE" is blocked on this computer ... I can't see it Crying or Very sad

We NEED to get the correct note sequence a my colleague says the "musical" aspect of the file is pretty much crap.
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Melodyman
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 		an observation..

The tones are all played in time.. meaning the interval between the notes is equal. This requires either a well trained musician or some type of tempo guide ala metronome.
The last tone seems to bend in the middle so as to almost be 2 tones... as if whomever or whatever was playing them got yanked away right at the end of this 'message" which could explaun that strange sound at the end..

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ljm
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 		Additionally, however, that last sound after the last tone sounds like a record player stopping/record ending.

Not sure what to make of this past that it might be something we will need imminently for another file/site?

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jreffy
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Melodyman wrote:
an observation..

The tones are all played in time.. meaning the interval between the notes is equal. This requires either a well trained musician or some type of tempo guide ala metronome.
The last tone seems to bend in the middle so as to almost be 2 tones... as if whomever or whatever was playing them got yanked away right at the end of this 'message" which could explaun that strange sound at the end..


That sounds very reasonable. Keep in mind, if this is true (an interrupted message), this also might mean that the message is incomplete. So when trying to decipher, we might be looking for 8 letter words, when in fact it could be 9 or more...

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Eleven72
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 		The notes get interrupted... lets see... (in parts) 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 5, 1. (counting only the big parts)

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Melodyman
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 		Does anyone remember the name of the guy they credited in Close Encounters who invented the music to hand symbols language for those famous notes?
Think it was something like Kiraly ..
You dont suppose they are going back to that well are they?

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woojitsu
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 		I asked Audacity to convert the file to DTMF (telephone tones), then ran it through a decoder. This gave me the following sequence of numbers: 2, 8, 3, 2, 2, 4, 8, 9. Please double-check this, as I just chucked the file into the programs that I have with very little understanding of what I was doing.

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ljm
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 		Maybe we need to start thinking about how this file relates to the newspaper pages and start asking WHO the person behind the computer is. How do the two relate?

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AmblinAlong
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 		Basically I can't translate it because there is 4 different keys where morse uses 3 I believe. I was going off it being CF/CG/CDDG, however if it is CG/CG/CDDG, then i have three..

it would be di dit, di dit, di dah dah dit......or IIP........there may be other translations and i can't use the actual sound wave to interperate. I am NO expert at this. it just makes sense.

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multipsychoapopheniosis
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 		Is it binary?
SETI etc., listen for coded frequencies, and the simplest code in the universe is binary. In amongst the radiowaves they look for patterns (like the 'wow' signal), and then much like ourselves try to divine patterns within the patterns.

Someone mentioned earlier in the post RE: Close encounters, and the musical code used to create that. That got me thinking RE: the Arecibo message (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Message), where they pretty much did something similar but with radio waves as a publicity stunt.

Now this theory hinges on having the correct frequencies/base code, and I'm lacking the last 'odd' sound which is probably deliberate so the frequency would be helpful.

Attached are binarised images of the sequence in Hz and also at 550Hz (for reference that is 600, 750,600,850,550,650,650,950,?9th sound or 2,5,2,7,1,3,3,9,?).

FYI I can't correspond these to an obvious base code/counting system - Nor is it related to a chemical compound (yes I did think astrobiology or fusion))

NB. Morse is smart idea but too polyphonic, and have excluded patents

...........Anyone tried slowing it down??
hz5502bin.jpg
 Description   at 550Hz sampling (see earlier post)
 Filesize   7.87KB
 Viewed   1199 Time(s)

hz5502bin.jpg
hztobin.jpg
 Description   Raw frequencies to binary
 Filesize   16.67KB
 Viewed   217 Time(s)

hztobin.jpg

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