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[Tar Ecthelion]

This may not be the place for this post, in which case I apologize in advance... but I was going over my list of axons and crossing off the ones that have 'gone hot' and I came to realize that my list is incomplete...

Then I went on to look at the ILoveBees site again and realized also that the ones I'm missing are the ones that have the fewest axons. It got me thinking... yes you are guessing my thoughts correctly ...are they lacking because most people are running off of the same list!?

The list I was using was the one found here on theBlackForge. Is there a more complete list that someone can point out easily and can we get everyone to check the new data for Axons in their areas again!? This might need a new thread started by someone who can...

Just Sayin'
-Tar

[weephun]

try this: http://www.theblackforge.net/fable-coords.html

[Tar Ecthelion]

Better, thanks.

Still nothing I can get to though...

-Tar

[daboking]

who is Kamal's sister?

[FauxHammer]

The halo story only talks about one ONI project that involved taking exceptionally strong/smart 6 year old children from their homes and replacing them with clones. That is the SPARTAN II Program.

If the future government is anything at all like the current one, the military isn't going to be able to kidnap kids for just any project. They would need special clearance and a damn good reason to do it. In the case of the spartan project, it was a necessity that they start training of children at a young age, much like the ancient Spartans.

However, there is no good reason that i can think of that you would want to kidnap KIDS to make AIs. First of all, the books say that patterning an AI off a human is very dangerous, and MOST AIs were not made this way. Even the ones that WERE made from humans were all taken from people who were already dead, because it was a very dangerous procedure and risky to perform on live subjects. IF you were going to do it to live subjects, you wouldn't pick just anyone. You'd pick really smart people who have proven themselves over and over again to be creative thinkers and scientific geniuses. You wouldn't be running around kidnapping random 6 year old children with the blind hope that one of them might turn out to make a great AI.

As far as we know, Cortana is the ONLY Ai that was patterned off a live subject, because Dr. Halsey insisted that an AI be made of her while she was still alive. And that was only because she is a genius scientist and haloverse equivalent of Stephen Hawking.

See, making an AI from stephen hawking makes sense. but making an AI from a 6 year old doesn't really make ANY sense. You would want somebody who has proven themselves to be exceptionally smart, but you wouldn't CARE about whether or not they were physically strong, like Yasmine was.

Further, the books provide no evidence that children were EVER kidnapped for the purpose of making AIs. Im not saying that that is proof that it didn't happen, but the books DO provide is a story about children being kidnapped to be SPARTANS, and with circumstances that fit Yasmine EXACTLY. That kind of connection, which is supported directly by the books, is the kind of connections that i think we should be making. Saying that Yasmine is Melissa, however, is not supported by any evidence at ALL. It is only speculation that is made because it seems to explain another part of the story. Thats all fine and dandy, but it doesnt actually have any outside evidence to support it like the SPARTAN theory does.

It was just like the old Jan = Spartan spec. It *seemed* to make sense, and it explained a few things, but it wasnt actually supported by any evidence, and it later turned out to be a dead end. Personally, I think that assuming Yasmine = AI, just because it *seems* to make sense, is going to lead us on a wild goose chase. Especially when there is MUCH more concrete evidence saying that points to here being kidnapped for Project SPARTAN II


The people who are speccing that she was kidnapped and replaced with a clone and made into an AI are stealing the kidnapping/replaced with clone part of their theory from the spartan theory. The difference is, in the context of teh spartan theory, there is ample evidence to support the idea of kidnapping/cloning which would otherwise be a ridiculously wild spec. However, if you start taking the idea which is well supported in the spartan theory and then stick it in your AI theory, it no longer has ANY support from the books. No evidence was ever given that kids were kidnapped for AIs, only for project SPARTAN. Saying that this happened for AIs is 10 times more wild speculation than saying it happened ffor project SPARTAN, were it is actually well backed-up.

[Drathari]

Ok.. My two cents here.

Just plugging in what I know and have figured out. We can pretty much assume that Kamal's little sister was taken and replaced with a flash clone for the Spartan program. The question now becomes for which version did she get taken?

In otherwords where in the timeline are we. I personally am of the opinion that she was taken for the second batch of Spartans. This being due to the information we got when we were introduced to the Apocalypso. When it "crashed" into orbit around Earth from the Slipstream. The man said it was one of thiers. Course that could mean a few things

1. A human ship versus a Covenant ship.. setting the timeline well into the war. We already know that Melissa was monitoring Covenent.. which helps solidify the timeline.

2. A particular kind of Human ship... Oni Spy Prowler is a possibility by that meaning which also correlates to the data we have about Melissa's mission.

More information that sets this during the war with Covies... People are trying to go to Earth. While the scope and dismal outlook on the War is not known by civilians. It would certainly cause certain restrictions on planetary travel and immigration. Especially to the human's home planet.

Ok something else I've picked up not sure if its been discussed or not. In the Gretel page SP talks about spying on Durga and Jersey.. says its the Queens roads or something... In any case this definite confirms that Melissa is the Queen.. and now that I write this I realize thats pretty obvious.. hmm silly me

[FauxHammer]

even if she was taken for the first batch, that still sets us 5-10 years in to the covenant war. That, and the second batch is only 8 years after the first batch.

Before anyone starts babbling about "S-III" we don't even know what that stands for, it could be ONI Section 3, for all we know. Plus, batch 2 of SPARTAN II is still SPARTAN IIs. Still the same program, after all.

[Shadowkiller]

There is a problem with Kamal's sister being a Spartan II. Master Chief and the others were trained and fully grown at the beginning of the War with the Covenant. The beginning of the war happened during the year of 2525 with the fall of Harvest. The fall of Reach happens during the year of 2552. That is 27 years and is plenty of time to have them ready by the time Reach falls! Meaning if Kamal's sister was apart of the 2nd wave of Spartan IIs, which never appeared in the books, she'd have to be older the Kamal. Which she isn't.

This is of course assuming that these events take place just before the events in Halo 2, which I believe it is to tie the two stories together.

The other theory of her being Melissa or the SP. That is doubtful as well. Atleast it is doubtful the original Kamal sister was made into one. I would point you to FauxHammer's post above to know why. However it is possible after the flash clone's death that it was turned into an AI, Halsey flash cloned herself to create Cortana. So there is a connection there. After 27 years though the AI would have died so it is also unlikely that any of the current AIs were made from Kamal's sister. Unless of course they continue to clone her afterwards.

So what does that leave for what happened to Kamal's sister? Her abilities and death flag her as a Spartan. But how? Was there a 3rd group we never heard about? Doubtful, I doubt the existance of the 2nd group since they never showed up. I think it leaves two options, the first being she was taken by ONI to become a Spartan III under Ackerson. The other being the PMs are justing pulling our chains to put us off track.

I prefer to think that she was taken to become a Spartan III. This could link Kamal to Janissary since she was obviously tickered with. However that does beg the question, why is Jan, if she is a Spartan, left to be a normal teenager with not so normal gifts when the first group of Spartan's weren't?

[rowan]

Scranton/Dickson City PA

[kingchaos2]

[rose]

Hit by a bus....DRT guy

[Aelith]

rose, the dead guy did not have an accent such as the professor has.

[rose]

the accent

[SuperJerms]

Re: the accent

[Shadowkiller]