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slinkydge
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 		[SPEC] Math
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Admin please move this to correct thread I can't decide.

I think we are looking at this all wrong, as each bit a seperate puzzle, but I think it is all part of one math equation:

The uppercase Epsilon is not commonly used outside of the Greek language because of its similarity to the Latin letter E but in mathematics is referred to as the Levi-Civita symbol, or to represent the dual numbers: a + bε, with ε2=0 and ε≠0. The Levi-Civita symbol, also called the permutation symbol, antisymmetric symbol, or alternating symbol, is a mathematical symbol used in particular in tensor calculus. From the number plate: E 6425 K the first thing we saw;

The Levi-Civita symbol is related to Einstein notation representing the three dimensions of physical Euclidean space;

I hope you are all following.... this is sooo good!

In Einstein notation, the duplication of the i index implies the sum on i. The basic idea of Einstein notation is that a covector and a vector can form a scalar.

In mathematics, an inner product space is a vector space with the additional structure called an inner product. This additional structure associates each pair of vectors in the space with a scalar quantity known as the inner product of the vectors. Inner products allow the rigorous introduction of intuitive geometrical notions such as the length of a vector or the angle between two vectors. They also provide the means of defining orthogonality between vectors (zero inner product). Inner product spaces generalize Euclidean spaces (in which the inner product is the dot product, also known as the scalar product) to vector spaces of any (possibly infinite) dimension, and are studied in functional analysis.

Here we are being given an indication of the value for i 21 ≠ 70.64 (we are not sure of middle symbol yet).

In typical applications, the index values are 1,2,3 (representing the three dimensions of physical Euclidean space), or 0,1,2,3 or 1,2,3,4 (representing the four dimensions of space-time, or Minkowski space), but they can have any range, even (in some applications) an infinite set. Thus in three dimensions. I'm guessing here C#,F#,C#,G#,C#,D#,D#,G# we are going to get the values for Euclidean space i.e a third dimension. I need a bit more information to be able to use the Einstein summation convention with i going from 1 to 2 etc...

Close encounters... any way.....

Then we have the K, in physics, the torsional constant of an oscillator is given by κ as well as Einstein constant of gravitation where i is the mean of i proof, or the value of the constant κ, called "Einstein's constant" which is not the cosmological constant or the speed of light.

I have proof!

I need more info - but I think this will lead to a theoretical equasion for anti-gravity or basically how they'll get a UFO to fly on Earth and it will be shaped like a triangle or something like that.

Need more info though.

I've got to study for an exam on Tuesday in the mean time.

[Edit] Tagged - and I think it's good right here - MikeyJ

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 		Re: Math (SPEC)
Possible numbers link
slinkydge wrote:
Admin please move this to correct thread I can't decide.

I think we are looking at this all wrong, as each bit a seperate puzzle, but I think it is all part of one math equation:

The uppercase Epsilon is not commonly used outside of the Greek language because of its similarity to the Latin letter E but in mathematics is referred to as the Levi-Civita symbol, or to represent the dual numbers: a + bε, with ε2=0 and ε≠0. The Levi-Civita symbol, also called the permutation symbol, antisymmetric symbol, or alternating symbol, is a mathematical symbol used in particular in tensor calculus. From the number plate: E 6425 K the first thing we saw;

The Levi-Civita symbol is related to Einstein notation representing the three dimensions of physical Euclidean space;

I hope you are all following.... this is sooo good!

In Einstein notation, the duplication of the i index implies the sum on i. The basic idea of Einstein notation is that a covector and a vector can form a scalar.

In mathematics, an inner product space is a vector space with the additional structure called an inner product. This additional structure associates each pair of vectors in the space with a scalar quantity known as the inner product of the vectors. Inner products allow the rigorous introduction of intuitive geometrical notions such as the length of a vector or the angle between two vectors. They also provide the means of defining orthogonality between vectors (zero inner product). Inner product spaces generalize Euclidean spaces (in which the inner product is the dot product, also known as the scalar product) to vector spaces of any (possibly infinite) dimension, and are studied in functional analysis.

Here we are being given an indication of the value for i 21 ≠ 70.64 (we are not sure of middle symbol yet).

In typical applications, the index values are 1,2,3 (representing the three dimensions of physical Euclidean space), or 0,1,2,3 or 1,2,3,4 (representing the four dimensions of space-time, or Minkowski space), but they can have any range, even (in some applications) an infinite set. Thus in three dimensions. I'm guessing here C#,F#,C#,G#,C#,D#,D#,G# we are going to get the values fori Euclidean space i.e a third dimension. I need a bit more information to be able to use the Einstein summation convention with i going from 1 to 2 etc...

Close encounters... any way.....

Then we have the K, in physics, the torsional constant of an oscillator is given by κ as well as Einstein constant of gravitation where i is the mean of i proof, or the value of the constant κ, called "Einstein's constant" which is not the cosmological constant or the speed of light.

I have proof!

I need more info - but I think this will lead to a theoretical equasion for anti-gravity or basically how they'll get a UFO to fly on Earth and it will be shaped like a triangle or something like that.

Need more info though.

I've got to study for an exam on Tuesday in the mean time.
if u look up nazi ufos the nazis were working jn anti-gravity crafts using mercury and a power source called vril that they believed in which scientist nowadays call dark matter hjpe that helps
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ok, I think we have a defnt link to the golden ratio!! that is sweet!!

give me time I will be back with some possible answers.

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 		yeah..yeah...that's what I was thinkin'
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sirpoins wrote:
yeah..yeah...that's what I was thinkin'


you should of said!!

I'm not that good with pooters, but math is my strong point.

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slinkydge wrote:
sirpoins wrote:
yeah..yeah...that's what I was thinkin'


you should of said!!

I'm not that good with pooters, but math is my strong point.


haha...no..i was kidding...I'm okay at math, but that's above my level...
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 		I see what you're doing, but I don't think I follow your logic.

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 		The real question is...is that anything Abrams or Spielberg would even know?

If so, carry on...

I was gonna say in the other thread, I'm a geek...but after the initial post I see that oh no...not by a long shot. I bow.
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The Barmaid wrote:
The real question is...is that anything Abrams or Spielberg would even know?

If so, carry on...

I was gonna say in the other thread, I'm a geek...but after the initial post I see that oh no...not by a long shot. I bow.


Then I love you too. Razz

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 		So wait..

For the last clue we just had to print off a old news paper, turn a page upside down and match up some black X's.... for this clue we need a basic understanding of calc, physics, and the theory of relativity...

I dont think JJ would ever start anything out SIMPLE and make it end up using things like that. I mean at that point you may as well throw in GHOSTS, TIME TRAVEL, FATE and...

...oh wait Shocked

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 		Re: Math (SPEC)
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comadarkvale wrote:
if u look up nazi ufos the nazis were working jn anti-gravity crafts using mercury and a power source called vril that they believed in which scientist nowadays call dark matter hjpe that helps

No man, it's much worse actually. I have proof. I am German.
See here

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 		Yes I understand what your saying (and principles your invoking), but I think the great man put it best:

Quote:
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.

~Albert Einstein

That said there appears to be a mathematical flavour to this - But I suspect it will be more pattern based rather than a codex for antigravity engines or time travel; much as I dig it, who's setting the game... Think Fibonacci, Lucas, Phi, Super8 etc etc etc., Not gonna invoke graduate level relativity..... perhaps....

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 		More problematically, If E is the Levi-Civita symbol, then E 6425 = 0, as 6425 isn't a permutation of your basis dimensions (0-3 or 1-4)

K is just a scalar and we lack indices to sum over...

If i21 +- 70.64 means something mathematical, the simplest interpretation is that they're 2 roots of a polynomial (x^2 - 42ix - 5431.0096 if anyone cares), but that doesn't seem relevant.

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