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[UPDATE] Braegen14
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FilmEdge
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RasGold wrote:
I've also noticed, when entering code on the initial screen (before entering .REENTER)

... Using .COMT .EXEC .PRINT :

If you use one of the available codes, you get the message: ?IND-F-File Read Error

But, if you input a random code, you get: ?IND-F-Invalid Request

Not sure if this info is of any value. But, I think because there are two different messages, there might be something to it?


I think you answered your own question, as I noticed the same thing: enter a correct command, the return comment applies to the result (i.e. File Read Error... like "I can't save that file" or "I can't execute that file"). Note that all these files are in what appears to be *READ ONLY* mode — presumably a security measure.

Yet when you enter an improper command, the reply is based on that inability to process/"understand" your command — alerting the user to THEIR error, and not the system's inability to perform a valid command.

With no way to delete or backspace over mistyped command entry, the two different error messages make sense to me: "I'm not allowed to fill your request" vs. "Say what? Type that again please." Very Happy

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cearanissa
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Finally caught up

Woah, I go away for a week and look what happens. Think I'm finally caught up, loving the Golden Ratio thing, excited to see where this goes! Smile

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cboyd0319
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Image Aspect Ratios

I don't know if this means anything to anyone, but a guest commenter said a few pages back that "your close. super-8 is the key.".

Anyhow, since math seems to be the way everyone is leaning with the golden rule bit, I checked the image aspect ratios for the golden rule and super-8 film.

Super 8
Aspect Ratio: 215:158 or 1.360759
Common Uses: Cinema: 0.215"×0.158" Super 8 mm format

Golden Ratio
Aspect Ratio: 0.5+√1.25 or 1.618034
Common Uses: Golden Ratio (φ)

Source: http://home.comcast.net/~igpl/Aspect.html

Maybe this means something to someone. I'm hungover, so right now my two brains cells are fighting over which one can control the remote.

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Colt
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Re: Image Aspect Ratios

cboyd0319 wrote:
I don't know if this means anything to anyone, but a guest commenter said a few pages back that "your close. super-8 is the key.".


it doesn't, just a passing nobody trying to screw with everyone, it happens from time to time

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Yiddleja
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man oh man...i leave for a few days and this happens!!!
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SeekerX
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I thought, now that we pretty safely can say that we know what the "useful" notes stand for, I'd suggest we take a look at the "not so useful" noise inbetween them.
As far as I can tell this is not White Noise nor Red/Brown Noise, nor is it Hiss- or Hum- effect which would point to a bad/old tape-quality. In other words, I think it was recorded along with the actual notes.
Ok, the reason for this might be a bad recording system. But I doubt that. Even in the 70s they already had pretty good devices such as the system connected to the Braegen14 discs. I haven't actually heard it but from its specs it sounds pretty good to me. It should sound comparable to a modern CD, if not better.
So again why the noise? Bad microphone? Probably not. Our audio here almost contains no frequencies above 10 KHz. The usual human ear can hear frequencies up to 20 KHz and microphones have been built for this purpose for a very long time.
Now, I'm not a broadcasting engineer or a scientist, but my theory is:
This was a transmission that was received and recorded. And the noise is actually cosmic background radiation also known as cosmic background noise.

Attached two pics of analysis just of the noise to prove it's not White, Brown, etc. They show a roughly bell shaped form that peaks at around 5-6 KHz.
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woojitsu
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I still hold to my theory that the entire audio file is a conversion to sound of a recording of cosmic radiation. That would make the "hiss" the microwave background and the "notes" a bizarre sequence of spikes in other frequencies. Because of their regularity and the golden ratio pattern, they are almost certainly created by an intelligence.

Alternatively, the file is a direct recording of a radio signal of celestial origin, and the "hiss" is natural radiation (e.g. from the sun) on the same frequency.

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SyNeSTro
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woojitsu wrote:
I still hold to my theory that the entire audio file is a conversion to sound of a recording of cosmic radiation. That would make the "hiss" the microwave background and the "notes" a bizarre sequence of spikes in other frequencies. Because of their regularity and the golden ratio pattern, they are almost certainly created by an intelligence.

Alternatively, the file is a direct recording of a radio signal of celestial origin, and the "hiss" is natural radiation (e.g. from the sun) on the same frequency.


Why would they record just cosmic radiation? Why would they upload it? I don't think it would be so simplistic. I think they must have had reason to believe that it wasn't of natural origin, or else, why bother uploading it?

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SeekerX
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I may be wrong. As an audio engineer I used to always avoid any background noise. But isn't "hiss" a kind of noise with much potency in the upper frequencies? E.g. taking a 44.1 KHz sample, Hiss would potentially occur from 12KHz upwards? We have a 44.1KHz .mp3 here. There is no "energy" in it above 10 KHz. So, no Hiss.

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slinkydge
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I don't know how to do this but what if you sent the sound to a normal radio I guess it would be AM? would that do anything to the sound? or change the waves at all?

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SeekerX
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I tried to find that out but couldn't really find anything serious.
Here is more technical approach to this: http://abelian.org/vlfrx/calib.html
VLF stands for "very low frequency" which is about 300Hz to 30KHz. Thermal Induction made me pop since the CBR is a kind of thermal interferrence as well, although very cold Smile.

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slinkydge
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Re: Image Aspect Ratios

Colt wrote:
cboyd0319 wrote:
I don't know if this means anything to anyone, but a guest commenter said a few pages back that "your close. super-8 is the key.".


it doesn't, just a passing nobody trying to screw with everyone, it happens from time to time


actually, I think that's right, check it here:

http://aphotocontributor.typepad.com/aphotocontributor/2008/10/the-golden-ratio.html

Maybe it's pointing us back to something we've missed in the trailer?

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slinkydge
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can the aspect ratio of the trailer be changed?

here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(image)

goldenratiocalculator.com

The format was briefly revived by Lucasfilm in the 1970s for special effects work that required larger negative size (due to image degradation from the optical printing steps necessary to make multi-layer composites)

help.

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Melodyman
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The fact that anyone would come in here and leave a note saying we were close implies that whomever it is knows the answers we are after.. and that means they would have to be connected to the PM's somehow..which I do believe is not in the rules.. also, I would expect that any PM or person involved with the creation and execution of this adventure would be educated enough to know that its "you're close".. not "Your close" which is a bit embarrassing..

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slinkydge
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oh yes I agree with that!! but I do think there's something we're missing with the trailer and with Super8, after all that was actually our first clue, the name of the movie, we knew it before anything else.

Since 8 and 11 are popping up all over the place, how do you get from a Super8 film to the Golden Ratio? what happened in-between that we missed?

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