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SeekerX wrote:
slinkydge wrote:
it would be wrong of JJ to use or link to clues that we were unable to work out in a scientific manner, as such, otherwise the answer would be based on theory, then everyone has a different theory.

so we have to assume that anything in this game has a scientific explanation. it exists.


You probably did watch "Lost" and read the Fuselage I assume, as we all here seem to be Abrams fans or at least addicts Smile. In Lost they often had clues that were not really scientific. Like the voices-behind-the-whispers, the "cerberus" itself, and the
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heart of the island
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OK, it was made by the whole team of Bad Robot. But hey, he's the boss.
He does like to mix science with fiction/myth imo. But that's cool with me.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't JJ stop having anything at all to do with LOST after season 3? I'm aware that his name was still attached as "producer," but it was my understanding that he was just used for name recognition, and had nothing at all to do with the final three seasons of lost. People in this topic and board have been comparing theories to the show, which is entirely valid and all, I would just be weary when mentioning the end of LOST due to this. For example, someone pointed out earlier that there was a lot of religious imagery in the finale of LOST, which may be true but also may not have had anything to do with JJ or anyone else working on this project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0yrtICuwQ

The two creators of LOST are shown here claiming that JJ "watches LOST as a fan," and "is curious as to how the show will end," implying that he really wasn't involved....

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 		very good points. but as a counter-argument. what we watch and like affects what we create.

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 		On the other hand, Matthew Fox said he knew from the first episode how his character would end the series years before it ever happened. That certainly implies that JJ's vision (among others) carried through from the opening frame to the last one.

While the plot may have evolved beyond Abrams' direct writing influence, it's a bit hard to swallow that LOST ever abandoned his sense of mystery and alternate reality evident from the pilot onward.

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 		Re: Not what you might think
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Soon it will be freed
and then it begins.

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wow, maybe they should have a forum on here called, " I Come Onto Random Forums And Post Random Crap That Has Nothing To Do With The Topic At Hand" i guarantee you that place would be full.

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wow, maybe they should have a forum on here called, " I Come Onto Random Forums And Post Random Crap That Has Nothing To Do With The Topic At Hand" i guarantee you that place would be full.


Which also contributes nothing to the ARG discussion. So much for leading by example.

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countchocula wrote:
SeekerX wrote:

You probably did watch "Lost" and read the Fuselage I assume, as we all here seem to be Abrams fans or at least addicts Smile. In Lost they often had clues that were not really scientific. Like the voices-behind-the-whispers, the "cerberus" itself, and the
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
heart of the island
.
....


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't JJ stop having anything at all to do with LOST after season 3? I'm aware that his name was still attached as "producer," but it was my understanding that he was just used for name recognition, and had nothing at all to do with the final three seasons of lost. People in this topic and board have been comparing theories to the show, which is entirely valid and all, I would just be weary when mentioning the end of LOST due to this. For example, someone pointed out earlier that there was a lot of religious imagery in the finale of LOST, which may be true but also may not have had anything to do with JJ or anyone else working on this project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0yrtICuwQ

The two creators of LOST are shown here claiming that JJ "watches LOST as a fan," and "is curious as to how the show will end," implying that he really wasn't involved....


Well, the whispers were already there in Season 1. The name Cerberus was revealed during the second or third season if I remember correctly. The Numbers could be laid out as number-mysticism, already during the first seasons, before we came to find out what they actually meant. The hieroglyphics when the counter went to zero. The four toed statue (also 3. season imo, correct me if I'm wrong).
And take Cloverfield... Godzilla or King Kong are myths of their own mixed with some form of science.
Sorry, but I myself stand my point.

Edit: Sorry, just reread your last paragraph. Well, if he was a fan, he must have liked it...
Also, IMDB lists him as writer or at least cowriter of a lot of the episodes.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0009190/

2. Edit: I see now that IMDB does generalize.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/J.J._Abrams
But taken from that article it still was his basic idea to go in a
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science-fiction/fantasy direction, adding a "mystery" element and making the island a "character" unto itself

But you are right in the way that he discarded involvement with the show at some point.

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Not for you it seems...but perhaps for someone.

no, im pretty sure all that it did was distract us...

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 		sorry, just a dreary day...

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SeekerX wrote:
countchocula wrote:
SeekerX wrote:

You probably did watch "Lost" and read the Fuselage I assume, as we all here seem to be Abrams fans or at least addicts Smile. In Lost they often had clues that were not really scientific. Like the voices-behind-the-whispers, the "cerberus" itself, and the
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
heart of the island
.
....


Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't JJ stop having anything at all to do with LOST after season 3? I'm aware that his name was still attached as "producer," but it was my understanding that he was just used for name recognition, and had nothing at all to do with the final three seasons of lost. People in this topic and board have been comparing theories to the show, which is entirely valid and all, I would just be weary when mentioning the end of LOST due to this. For example, someone pointed out earlier that there was a lot of religious imagery in the finale of LOST, which may be true but also may not have had anything to do with JJ or anyone else working on this project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0yrtICuwQ

The two creators of LOST are shown here claiming that JJ "watches LOST as a fan," and "is curious as to how the show will end," implying that he really wasn't involved....


Well, the whispers were already there in Season 1. The name Cerberus was revealed during the second or third season if I remember correctly. The Numbers could be laid out as number-mysticism, already during the first seasons, before we came to find out what they actually meant. The hieroglyphics when the counter went to zero. The four toed statue (also 3. season imo, correct me if I'm wrong).
And take Cloverfield... Godzilla or King Kong are myths of their own mixed with some form of science.
Sorry, but I myself stand my point.

Edit: Sorry, just reread your last paragraph. Well, if he was a fan, he must have liked it...
Also, IMDB lists him as writer or at least cowriter of a lot of the episodes.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0009190/

2. Edit: I see now that IMDB does generalize.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/J.J._Abrams
But taken from that article it still was his basic idea to go in a
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science-fiction/fantasy direction, adding a "mystery" element and making the island a "character" unto itself

But you are right in the way that he discarded involvement with the show at some point.


You make some very valid points there, all of those things were in the earlier seasons as you said. And I wasn't denying that mysticism mixing with science was JJ-esque, as it is something he seems interested in and would throw into his works. I was merely warning people not to associate him with LOST so readily.

I also didn't mean to imply that anyone's argument was wrong or off base with my post, as I do think that this movie (like Cloverfield,) won't be strictly explained by science. I was just posting that as a reminder that the LOST finale shouldn't be cited as one of JJ's works. He is credited as the head producer of every single episode of LOST, which leads to many people associating him with the show. This is, however, misleading as his name was just used (with his permission) to give the show a producer with a more known name. His direct influence on the show stopped pretty abruptly after Season 1 really, and he was just a minor crew member working on a few episodes here and there for seasons 2 and 3, then nothing after that. It really is unfortunate that JJ gets all of the credit that the producers who stuck with the show worked hard to earn. Not to bash JJ or anything, I'm a huge fan of Cloverfield and the newest Star Trek film. It just sticks out to me as a HUUUGE fan of LOST that so many people readily attach his name to a project which he hasn't touched in like 5 years.

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 		Chocula, JJ is listed as "head producer" (in reality, executive producer) because he was one of the show's creators as well as one of the series' original writers. This is standard crediting in television. It's not that LOST was "using his name" for marquee value, as a co-creator his name is contracted to appear in the credits every week for the duration.

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FilmEdge wrote:
Chocula, JJ is listed as "head producer" (in reality, executive producer) because he was one of the show's creators as well as one of the series' original writers. This is standard crediting in television. It's not that LOST was "using his name" for marquee value, as a co-creator his name is contracted to appear in the credits every week for the duration.


Fair enough, I have very little understanding of how the TV world actually works so you are probably correct. Regardless of the reason for his name being listed, I think my point still stands that we should all be weary when basing theories off of something that JJ did not have direct influence over.

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countchocula wrote:
FilmEdge wrote:
Chocula, JJ is listed as "head producer" (in reality, executive producer) because he was one of the show's creators as well as one of the series' original writers. This is standard crediting in television. It's not that LOST was "using his name" for marquee value, as a co-creator his name is contracted to appear in the credits every week for the duration.


Fair enough, I have very little understanding of how the TV world actually works so you are probably correct. Regardless of the reason for his name being listed, I think my point still stands that we should all be weary when basing theories off of something that JJ did not have direct influence over.


he started the show, he always had direct influence over it.

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 		Countchocula is in deed right with his argument.
Lindeloff and Cuse do get too little credit for their actual creativity. Or, to put it the other way around, Abrams gets too much.
Quote from Lostpedia's aforementioned article explains it best.
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Even though Abrams' last known direct contribution to Lost was the script to the season 3 premiere, "A Tale of Two Cities" (which he co-wrote with Damon Lindelof), and he had stopped being the main driving force behind the direction of the show as early as season 1, instead leaving Lindelof and Carlton Cuse as the showrunners, a considerable part of the (casual) audience still considers Abrams to be the man in charge of the show. This is mostly due to his high profile name, thanks to his past work on shows such as Alias, and movies such as Mission Impossible III and Cloverfield. The misconception is not helped by media often falling into the same trappings: On the one hand, specialized media offerings such as Entertainment Weekly or TV Guide have staff closely following the show and with close contacts to the cast and crew, therefore being quite aware of what Damon, Carlton etc. do. On the other hand, however, local newspapers, international media and even foreign TV stations that air Lost abroad often don't have such an in-depth insight into the specific responsibilities of the production team, and therefore often tend to consider the most high-profile name—in this case, Abrams—as the main driving force behind the show.

I sure hope the Lostpedia is trustworthy.
Anyway, we are slowly getting way off-topic here.

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If you aren't JJ or one of the credited people that worked on the show, you'll never be sure exactly who had how much influence on the show. Similarly we can speculate but not necessarily prove how much influence Majel Barrett had on Star Trek.

Of course, maybe JJ just sent subconscious, telepathic messages to the Lost writers. Or it was a mandate from God. Or something.

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