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slinkydge
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 		yes, that was something I thought about from early on... but expecting another clue to bridge the gap or at least confirm the indifference.

I think there is definitely a math trip here though, maybe it will build into a bigger puzzle?

But i agree, will be nothing as complicated as what I totally got carried away with above... lol.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 12:47 pm
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cboyd0319
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 		Image Aspect Ratios
I don't know if this means anything to anyone, but a guest commenter said a few pages back that "your close. super-8 is the key.".

Anyhow, since math seems to be the way everyone is leaning with the golden rule bit, I checked the image aspect ratios for the golden rule and super-8 film.

Super 8
Aspect Ratio: 215:158 or 1.360759
Common Uses: Cinema: 0.215"×0.158" Super 8 mm format

Golden Ratio
Aspect Ratio: 0.5+√1.25 or 1.618034
Common Uses: Golden Ratio (φ)

Source: http://home.comcast.net/~igpl/Aspect.html

Maybe this means something to someone. I'm hungover, so right now my two brains cells are fighting over which one can control the remote.

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kosmopol
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 		I'll print this thread out and will re-read it in my comfortable armchair till I'll understand it. I'm bad in math, but I have to understand it.
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Badion
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 		I was told there would be no math.


But seriously....

Cboyd,
Ignore that comment. a person in my office was screwing with everyone. I apologize again.

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multipsychoapopheniosis
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Badion wrote:
I was told there would be no math.


But seriously....

Cboyd,
Ignore that comment. a person in my office was screwing with everyone. I apologize again.


Though he may have been screwing it was a rather excellent, albiet unintentional godelian leap in that "8" seems to pop up a lot (notes, Fib seq, title) , and where better to hide a clue other than plain sight.

1 is a observation
2 is suggestive
3 is a trend

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Headman
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Badion wrote:
I was told there would be no math.


But seriously....

Cboyd,
Ignore that comment. a person in my office was screwing with everyone. I apologize again.



Let me guess, you office partner said something to the effect of: Hey, watch these geeks freak out about this one!

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cboyd0319
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Badion wrote:

Cboyd,
Ignore that comment. a person in my office was screwing with everyone. I apologize again.


Huh? What comment? I rarely come in this thread, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Headman
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cboyd0319 wrote:
Badion wrote:

Cboyd,
Ignore that comment. a person in my office was screwing with everyone. I apologize again.


Huh? What comment? I rarely come in this thread, so I have no idea what you're talking about.


I assumed he was referring to the "Your close, Super 8 is the key" comment but perhaps my assumption was in error.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:58 pm
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VictorCharlie
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 		My God.....
Quote:
The uppercase Epsilon is not commonly used outside of the Greek language because of its similarity to the Latin letter E but in mathematics is referred to as the Levi-Civita symbol, or to represent the dual numbers: a + bε, with ε2=0 and ε≠0. The Levi-Civita symbol, also called the permutation symbol, antisymmetric symbol, or alternating symbol, is a mathematical symbol used in particular in tensor calculus. From the number plate: E 6425 K the first thing we saw;

The Levi-Civita symbol is related to Einstein notation representing the three dimensions of physical Euclidean space;

I hope you are all following.... this is sooo good!

In Einstein notation, the duplication of the i index implies the sum on i. The basic idea of Einstein notation is that a covector and a vector can form a scalar.

In mathematics, an inner product space is a vector space with the additional structure called an inner product. This additional structure associates each pair of vectors in the space with a scalar quantity known as the inner product of the vectors. Inner products allow the rigorous introduction of intuitive geometrical notions such as the length of a vector or the angle between two vectors. They also provide the means of defining orthogonality between vectors (zero inner product). Inner product spaces generalize Euclidean spaces (in which the inner product is the dot product, also known as the scalar product) to vector spaces of any (possibly infinite) dimension, and are studied in functional analysis.

Here we are being given an indication of the value for i 21 ≠ 70.64 (we are not sure of middle symbol yet).

In typical applications, the index values are 1,2,3 (representing the three dimensions of physical Euclidean space), or 0,1,2,3 or 1,2,3,4 (representing the four dimensions of space-time, or Minkowski space), but they can have any range, even (in some applications) an infinite set. Thus in three dimensions. I'm guessing here C#,F#,C#,G#,C#,D#,D#,G# we are going to get the values for Euclidean space i.e a third dimension. I need a bit more information to be able to use the Einstein summation convention with i going from 1 to 2 etc...

Close encounters... any way.....

Then we have the K, in physics, the torsional constant of an oscillator is given by κ as well as Einstein constant of gravitation where i is the mean of i proof, or the value of the constant κ, called "Einstein's constant" which is not the cosmological constant or the speed of light.


Maybe someone who hasn't had too much coffee could explain this to me... so my brain won't melt.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:42 am
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cboyd0319
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 		Re: My God.....
VictorCharlie wrote:
Maybe someone who hasn't had too much coffee could explain this to me... so my brain won't melt.


Anyone here from the MIT Theoretical Physics Lab?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:53 am
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multipsychoapopheniosis
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 		Re: My God.....
VictorCharlie wrote:
Quote:
The uppercase Epsilon is not commonly used outside of the Greek language because of its similarity to the Latin letter E but in mathematics is referred to as the Levi-Civita symbol, or to represent the dual numbers: a + bε, with ε2=0 and ε≠0. The Levi-Civita symbol, also called the permutation symbol, antisymmetric symbol, or alternating symbol, is a mathematical symbol used in particular in tensor calculus. From the number plate: E 6425 K the first thing we saw;

The Levi-Civita symbol is related to Einstein notation representing the three dimensions of physical Euclidean space;

I hope you are all following.... this is sooo good!

In Einstein notation, the duplication of the i index implies the sum on i. The basic idea of Einstein notation is that a covector and a vector can form a scalar.

In mathematics, an inner product space is a vector space with the additional structure called an inner product. This additional structure associates each pair of vectors in the space with a scalar quantity known as the inner product of the vectors. Inner products allow the rigorous introduction of intuitive geometrical notions such as the length of a vector or the angle between two vectors. They also provide the means of defining orthogonality between vectors (zero inner product). Inner product spaces generalize Euclidean spaces (in which the inner product is the dot product, also known as the scalar product) to vector spaces of any (possibly infinite) dimension, and are studied in functional analysis.

Here we are being given an indication of the value for i 21 ≠ 70.64 (we are not sure of middle symbol yet).

In typical applications, the index values are 1,2,3 (representing the three dimensions of physical Euclidean space), or 0,1,2,3 or 1,2,3,4 (representing the four dimensions of space-time, or Minkowski space), but they can have any range, even (in some applications) an infinite set. Thus in three dimensions. I'm guessing here C#,F#,C#,G#,C#,D#,D#,G# we are going to get the values for Euclidean space i.e a third dimension. I need a bit more information to be able to use the Einstein summation convention with i going from 1 to 2 etc...

Close encounters... any way.....

Then we have the K, in physics, the torsional constant of an oscillator is given by κ as well as Einstein constant of gravitation where i is the mean of i proof, or the value of the constant κ, called "Einstein's constant" which is not the cosmological constant or the speed of light.


Maybe someone who hasn't had too much coffee could explain this to me... so my brain won't melt.


?Perceptual set induced aberrant salience - Very Bayesian!

NB. Not implying psychosis-I just think the term aberrant salience describes a common feature to ARG Wink

P.S. Answering the question (I hope):

Put simply - The above is proposing that E 6425 K is mathematical speak for 3+ dimensional notation of vectors (so directionality); and is describing a form of matrix notation that fits (if your not familiar with matrix maths, essentially your excel spreadsheet of numbers (say 5x10) is a 2d matrix, if you had 4 identical size sheets thats a 3d matrix, several identical 3d matricies linked accross a common dimension=4d etc etc.,).

In the above example, in English, the proposal is to derive a 3 or more dimensional space and use the notes as coordinates in that space, being the space you and I are classically accustomed to seeing (i.e. Euclidean Space http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_space), as oppose to being aware we are looking at the inside of a bowl (hyperbolic space) all the time (think about it, clue: look in the mirror Wink ), while living on a beachball (spherical space) - Don't you just love the inverse symmetry!

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Badion
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Headman wrote:
Badion wrote:
I was told there would be no math.


But seriously....

Cboyd,
Ignore that comment. a person in my office was screwing with everyone. I apologize again.



Let me guess, you office partner said something to the effect of: Hey, watch these geeks freak out about this one!


Bingo! To which I promptly told him that he will never see the internet again and took his access away. Do not screw with a LAN Admin, we are almost gods.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:30 am
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VictorCharlie
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 		Re: My God.....
multipsychoapopheniosis wrote:
VictorCharlie wrote:
Quote:
The uppercase Epsilon is not commonly used outside of the Greek language because of its similarity to the Latin letter E but in mathematics is referred to as the Levi-Civita symbol, or to represent the dual numbers: a + bε, with ε2=0 and ε≠0. The Levi-Civita symbol, also called the permutation symbol, antisymmetric symbol, or alternating symbol, is a mathematical symbol used in particular in tensor calculus. From the number plate: E 6425 K the first thing we saw;

The Levi-Civita symbol is related to Einstein notation representing the three dimensions of physical Euclidean space;

I hope you are all following.... this is sooo good!

In Einstein notation, the duplication of the i index implies the sum on i. The basic idea of Einstein notation is that a covector and a vector can form a scalar.

In mathematics, an inner product space is a vector space with the additional structure called an inner product. This additional structure associates each pair of vectors in the space with a scalar quantity known as the inner product of the vectors. Inner products allow the rigorous introduction of intuitive geometrical notions such as the length of a vector or the angle between two vectors. They also provide the means of defining orthogonality between vectors (zero inner product). Inner product spaces generalize Euclidean spaces (in which the inner product is the dot product, also known as the scalar product) to vector spaces of any (possibly infinite) dimension, and are studied in functional analysis.

Here we are being given an indication of the value for i 21 ≠ 70.64 (we are not sure of middle symbol yet).

In typical applications, the index values are 1,2,3 (representing the three dimensions of physical Euclidean space), or 0,1,2,3 or 1,2,3,4 (representing the four dimensions of space-time, or Minkowski space), but they can have any range, even (in some applications) an infinite set. Thus in three dimensions. I'm guessing here C#,F#,C#,G#,C#,D#,D#,G# we are going to get the values for Euclidean space i.e a third dimension. I need a bit more information to be able to use the Einstein summation convention with i going from 1 to 2 etc...

Close encounters... any way.....

Then we have the K, in physics, the torsional constant of an oscillator is given by κ as well as Einstein constant of gravitation where i is the mean of i proof, or the value of the constant κ, called "Einstein's constant" which is not the cosmological constant or the speed of light.


Maybe someone who hasn't had too much coffee could explain this to me... so my brain won't melt.


?Perceptual set induced aberrant salience - Very Bayesian!

NB. Not implying psychosis-I just think the term aberrant salience describes a common feature to ARG Wink

P.S. Answering the question (I hope):

Put simply - The above is proposing that E 6425 K is mathematical speak for 3+ dimensional notation of vectors (so directionality); and is describing a form of matrix notation that fits (if your not familiar with matrix maths, essentially your excel spreadsheet of numbers (say 5x10) is a 2d matrix, if you had 4 identical size sheets thats a 3d matrix, several identical 3d matricies linked accross a common dimension=4d etc etc.,).

In the above example, in English, the proposal is to derive a 3 or more dimensional space and use the notes as coordinates in that space, being the space you and I are classically accustomed to seeing (i.e. Euclidean Space http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_space), as oppose to being aware we are looking at the inside of a bowl (hyperbolic space) all the time (think about it, clue: look in the mirror Wink ), while living on a beachball (spherical space) - Don't you just love the inverse symmetry!


Perhaps I should reconsider this whole ARG thing and stick to basket weaving or finger painting... something this old man can understand! I'll leave this thread to you kids.

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