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Syncopal
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Acti/Blizz and Real ID

I think I'm posting this in the right place, feel free to shuffle it dear mods if it needs to be somewhere else.

So... I have just become engrossed with all of the goings on over at Blizzard with their announcement a couple of days ago about requiring people who post to the official forums to post under their Real ID which= real first and last names.

1st it intrigues me because as of this moment there are over 2050 pages with over 41000 replies in just over 2 days. (As of page 1800 they said there were 12000 individual posters) And still rolling to about 3 new pages each minute. The amazing thing being, that most of the posts are coherent, logical and respectful arguments against using Real ID/RL info as an identifier on a public forum. It is perhaps the largest and best behaved forums protest that I have ever seen. And I'm one who's down with the Chaos, so i'm really impressed. (Although Prob not for long as 4chan has just made an appearance around page 1950)

2nd, it started me thinking that this very well could be a portent for things to come all over the interweb. And then i thought about our little community here and the lengths that we go for some privacy while playing ARG's.

So I wanted to propose a question, if Unfiction Forums required that you get a Real ID and post under your real first and last name, would you? And what effect would that have for ARG's in general if there was no anonymity on the interweb?

Would love to hear your guys thoughts!

ETA: Link to WoW Forum http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25712374700&sid=1&pageNo=2075

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:19 pm
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Re: Acti/Blizz and Real ID

Syncopal wrote:
...So I wanted to propose a question, if Unfiction Forums required that you get a Real ID and post under your real first and last name, would you? And what effect would that have for ARG's in general if there was no anonymity on the interweb?

Would love to hear your guys thoughts!

My answer to your first question is, "No." As for the 2nd question, I think the population may shift, but the games will continue. If anything, an ARG is supposed to be a game you play as yourself, in your real life world. Personally I'm more comfortable with myself as catherwood than I am when I use my given name.

I first heard about this issue on another blog, with some good discussion in their comments section.
http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2010/07/produce-your-name-and-papers-please.html

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Thanks for pointing out that discussion, I have only begun reading the thread but I'm already fascinated/horrified. I'm no Blizzard customer but even the mention of such plans would drive me away from them. Not only from their forum but also from their products.

Syncopal wrote:
... if Unfiction Forums required that you get a Real ID and post under your real first and last name, would you?

Definitely not. I wouldn't post on ANY forum that requires real names. Privacy is one of the things you can't get back once you gave it away and I'm guarding mine as careful as possible.

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Re: Acti/Blizz and Real ID

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Personally I'm more comfortable with myself as catherwood than I am when I use my given name.



Exactly! And I think a lot of people (myself included) would agree with you here at Unfiction... Do you think that is because of playing ARG's and the level of real-life interactions? Or just the anonymity of the internet in general? I remember the flap from the opening days/months/seeming years of Junko Junsui. The community was pissed... and I thought rightfully so. AND we're not even PAYING for these games! (Though I did gladly give to Socks Inc.*does little plug dance* Smile)! To post on the official Blizzard forums you have to be paying $15 a month! And then you get 'outed' for the privileged.

I mean its pretty easy to find out my full name from a couple of cross-referencing searches, but I don't want to go shouting it out in forums. And whereas I try and keep what I say in forums and online to pretty much what I would say in real life, having all of my forum posts come up under my name by a quick Google search worries me. I mean how do I explain to a non-player, me playing devil's advocate in a discussion about if it would be best that we just let someone die?

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I'm no Blizzard customer but even the mention of such plans would drive me away from them. Not only from their forum but also from their products.


I havent been in a long time, but I was seriously considering jumping into Star Craft 2... not so much anymore.

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As an aside, if you're all comfortable with it I'd like to know whether each poster who states their opinion here is male or female. Of course, since this is all about privacy I'm not about to go and tell you to do this, but it's a curiosity thing.

The reason I say this is basically because this is an issue that I think men and women have somewhat different standpoints on. As a man, I've never given a second thought to privacy issues such as this and still don't. Thus I'm apparently so far the only person in this thread who'd be happy to keep posting here if full names were suddenly a requirement. But I know that for women it's a different story, and more importantly a side I can never experience. Are there any women out there who would be fine attaching their name to posts, or is it just men?

As for part 2 of the question, I think initially online activity in general would face a massive slump if giving one's name with every online action were somehow enforced. But people would gradually start coming back. Probably not all, but most.

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I'm going to change my real name to be "Forum Administrator".
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:00 am
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Syncopal
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Agent Lex wrote:

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As an aside, if you're all comfortable with it I'd like to know whether each poster who states their opinion here is male or female.

The reason I say this is basically because this is an issue that I think men and women have somewhat different standpoints on. As a man, I've never given a second thought to privacy issues such as this and still don't. Thus I'm apparently so far the only person in this thread who'd be happy to keep posting here if full names were suddenly a requirement. But I know that for women it's a different story, and more importantly a side I can never experience. Are there any women out there who would be fine attaching their name to posts, or is it just men?


Male here, and this is a great point. I've probably read about 1000+ of the pages on the ActiBlizz forums (I told you I was engrossed by this:-)) This point keeps coming up time and time again from some very concerned women, talking about how they're constantly harassed IG and that the fear of those people finding out their real names and being able to stalk them in RL is very real.

ETA: UPDATE!!! After almost 50000 posts and 2500 pages Blizzard has caved!!! They have announced that they will not require Real ID to be used in the forums and that it will still be optional IG!!! Victory for the little guys/gals!!

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25968987278&sid=1

Still interested in hearing what the rest of you think though... I have to believe that this is still the way of the future, as big conglomerates try and re-capitalize on user info and social connections online.

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This is only half a win. While the forums will remain anon by using the basic suggestion MANY people have given Blizz, RealID still is in the game. As of the last thing I heard, it is still an opt out program, rather than opt in. There are still flaws allowing scripts that pull you RealID info for other users {including add-ons} without you being aware. They have still patnered with Facebook with intentions to become a social networking like experience. The privacy issues are still there - just not on the forums.
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Pixiestix wrote:
This is only half a win. While the forums will remain anon by using the basic suggestion MANY people have given Blizz, RealID still is in the game. As of the last thing I heard, it is still an opt out program, rather than opt in. There are still flaws allowing scripts that pull you RealID info for other users {including add-ons} without you being aware. They have still patnered with Facebook with intentions to become a social networking like experience. The privacy issues are still there - just not on the forums.


Yes... I agree with the half victory thing... however in this day and age getting any large company to reverse course on anything I feel is a win. (How sad is that?)

Not that I disagree with you mind you. Wow and other Blizzard games will eventually become World of FaceCraft with full connectivity. I have no doubt about it. But that is where we're heading and why I found this debate and mini-revolution so fascinating. The kids being born now will have no inkling of the type of privacy that we expect now.

Eventually, I believe the world and our REAL lives will be one big social network game... here's a link to Jesse Schell's talk at DICE 2010. If you have a half an hour and haven't seen it is more than worth the half an hour just to make you think. If this doesn't scare/weirdly excite you I don't know what will... but I think it is/will be the future...

http://vodpod.com/watch/3082518-dice-2010-design-outside-the-box-presentation-videos-g4tv-com

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Agent Lex wrote:
The reason I say this is basically because this is an issue that I think men and women have somewhat different standpoints on. As a man, I've never given a second thought to privacy issues such as this and still don't. Thus I'm apparently so far the only person in this thread who'd be happy to keep posting here if full names were suddenly a requirement. But I know that for women it's a different story, and more importantly a side I can never experience. Are there any women out there who would be fine attaching their name to posts, or is it just men?


I'm female but the stalking issue isn't my main concern. It's of more a deep resentment against people, companies, authorities that collect data and generate profiles from it. I feel much more threatened by advertising agencies, identity-thieves, snooping employers/neighbors/insurance companies than by stalkers.

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Here's another blog entry about the issue: Editorial: Don't forget Real ID's true goal

I've had this question of identy pop up before. I remember being accused of hiding behind a fake identity because I wanted to write something on a public [something, i can't remember now what] without giving my real name as the author. There's this notion that my avatar name is "fake", and that I can have only one "real" identity, one known to my employers and my government and my grocery store frequent buyer's club card. Well, dudes, I have multiple identities, all equally real, and I would welcome a universal login system that would help me present a consistent profile across all of my online haunts -- as long as I can remain catherwood (lowercase, too, please). That name has a history, a reputation, etc. ... (ok, i'm begining to rant and preach now, [/soapbox])

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Trillian wrote:


I'm female but the stalking issue isn't my main concern. It's of more a deep resentment against people, companies, authorities that collect data and generate profiles from it. I feel much more threatened by advertising agencies, identity-thieves, snooping employers/neighbors/insurance companies than by stalkers.


Yea its pretty crazy... I was waiting in line at the grocery store the other day thinking about all of the information they collect just from a store discount card. Basically, by swiping your card you let them know from what you buy:

if you're a smoker
if you drink too much
if you're a health/junk food nut
when you're sick
what prescriptions you buy when you are sick/or normally, and therefore it can be deduced what health problems you have
when you have guests coming into town
when you have time to shop/when you work
if you have kids
how much discretionary income you have
etc...etc...etc...

And all that info is tied to your name, address and phone number. And you're pretty much selling all of that for what, an average of $7 per trip to the store?


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(lowercase, too, please)


I apologize. Smile

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Would I post my real name.... probably not. I have a unique spelling to my first name that makes me more locatable than say someone who's name is Bob Smith.

@ Lex, I'm female, and that probably does affect my view as wackos (not people registered at this community, but lurkers who may have bad ideas) may try to prey on women, or on children. I also have a problem with RL ID for children as that is also an issue (wackos preying on them), and kids do play Blizzard games.

I also am worried about Identity Theft. I had someone steal my name and info once - a woman with a child running from an abusive spouse/boyfriend - she stayed at a woman's shelter and gave them my mother's name and phone number -and the shelter called her to check on if I arrived there safely needless to say my mom called me and quizzed me on her apparent grandchild! Thankfully nothing worse than that happened - and I would have allowed her to use my name if she had asked, but she didn't.

I do not think that Space would ever require people to use RL ID here, so I don't see that as an issue.
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