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Scratch
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 		The countdown hit zero and said EXPIRED. Then about four minutes later the startup changed to list Language as FAILED.

I wonder what we've cost ourselves by failing to solve this puzzle.

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MrToasty
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 		Not to mention
Code:
Connection failed.
Attempting to reconnect...

Well, crap...

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Scratch
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 		At about 10:13 CDT, helpedna.com changed.

Type language to get
3.14159265589792384626433832950288419716939937058209749445923078164028620899862803482534
= 2.71828182459042353602874715266249775724709369574966967627724076630355475945713821785251

Type star to get
0.00001585 light distance per solar orbit

-21.4 -38.0 -54.5 -70.3 -72.5 -89.2 -127.7 -150.9 -177.0 -194.9

hey look at this article about the star in the picture
it's called 1RXS J160929.1-210524

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:31 pm
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vapor
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 		Also

Bioalkjw3-08632q3.6n CARRIER SIGNAL WEAK

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MrToasty
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Scratch wrote:
Type language to get
3.14159265589792384626433832950288419716939937058209749445923078164028620899862803482534
= 2.71828182459042353602874715266249775724709369574966967627724076630355475945713821785251

On the surface the new number would appear to be e.

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 		haha pi + e = pie

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vapor wrote:
haha pi + e = pie

LOL

Top is e, bottom is new language number.

Code:
2.7182818284590452353602874713526624977572470936999595749669676277240766303535475945713821785251
2.71828182 45904 235360287471 5266249775724709369    57496696762772407663035 5475945713821785251


ETA
Code:
> cake
lies

Laughing

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 		CARRIER SIGNAL WEAK makes me think that Bioalkjw3-08632q3.6n may decipher into some form of audio.

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 		That does look like a cipher of some sort.

0.00001585 is the distance from the earth to the sun in light years. Not sure what the list of negative numbers is yet.

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 		I liked the way you had that laid out MrToasty so I put pi there as well, makes them easy to compare visually.

Code:
2.7182818284590452353602874713526624977572470936999595749669676277240766303535475945713821785251
2.71828182_45904_235360287471_5266249775724709369____57496696762772407663035_5475945713821785251

Code:
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342
3.14159265_58979_2384626433832_950288419716939937__0582097494459230781640_28620899862803482534_


The removal point of the first two digits matches on both numbers indicating a possible coord system as Scratch surmised.

There are 8 digits missing from e and 7 from pi, either the number missing is irrelevant or maybe the name of the number is involved somehow (e(1) + 8 = 9, pi(2) + 7 = 9).

I'm stumped. This is going to be a Eureka! moment for someone...just don't go streaking down the road when you figure it out.

ETA:
vapor wrote:
CARRIER SIGNAL WEAK makes me think that Bioalkjw3-08632q3.6n may decipher into some form of audio.


My instinct was that the carrier signal would change if we solved language and/or star. An audio file is likely though, I flipped through a list of audio extensions and the only 2 character ones I recognized as being at all popular were .au and .ra
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MrToasty wrote:
That does look like a cipher of some sort.

0.00001585 is the distance from the earth to the sun in light years. Not sure what the list of negative numbers is yet.


Possibly declination in minutes and degrees. I think you also need a star's right ascention to place it in the cosmos, though. Not sure where a declination clue would lead.

ETA: The declination of 1RXS J160929.1−210524 (the star in the picture) is −21° 04′ 58″. That's not an exact match to the first set of negative numbers but kind of close.

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AzureWolf wrote:
My instinct was that the carrier signal would change if we solved language and/or star. An audio file is likely though, I flipped through a list of audio extensions and the only 2 character ones I recognized as being at all popular were .au and .ra

alkjw3-08632q3.6n makes me think of the various ways different star catalogs may designate stars.

I haven't yet found a star catalog with the format XXXXXX-XXXXXXX.XX, but I'm still searching. I totally can't find one.

EDIT: The startup now says:
Code:
  Language...
  Star...
? Biorandstr CARRIER SIGNAL WEAK

Randstr = random string? alkjw3-08632q3.6n is supposed to be nonsense.

It just updated again. The coder must have updated the script on accident. Now the startup just spits out random nonsense after Bio. Randstr must be the name of the function that produces the nonsense. I'm grateful that the coder is preventing us from going too far down the wrong path.

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 		Output of the star command:

Quote:

0.00001585 light distance per solar orbit

-21.4 -38.0 -54.5 -70.3 -72.5 -89.2 -127.7 -150.9 -177.0 -194.9


The numbers are in ascending order (well, descending order), which makes me think it's not a code, or necessarily coordinates. Also there are 10 of them, which could be significant.

The new output of language is perplexing, since the original cipher-text is the same. Hmmmmm >_<

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naxxfish wrote:
The numbers are in ascending order (well, descending order)

Yes, definitely doesn't lead me to believe they are coordinates.

Also, the random string is at least a consistent 17 characters.

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naxxfish wrote:
Output of the star command:

Quote:

0.00001585 light distance per solar orbit

-21.4 -38.0 -54.5 -70.3 -72.5 -89.2 -127.7 -150.9 -177.0 -194.9


The numbers are in ascending order (well, descending order), which makes me think it's not a code, or necessarily coordinates. Also there are 10 of them, which could be significant.

The new output of language is perplexing, since the original cipher-text is the same. Hmmmmm >_<


Well my thoughts about it being declination may be invalid. I believe declination can only be within a +90° to - 90°

Not sure if this will be helpful but here is some simple arithmetic. I was hoping to see a pattern but if there is one it's not very clear.
Code:
(-21.4) - 16.6 = (-38.0) - 16.5 = (-52.5) - 17.8 = (-70.3) - 18.9 = (-89.2) - 38.5 = (-127.7) - 23.2 = (-150.9) - 26.1 = (-177.0) - 17.9 = (-194.9)


ETA:
MrToasty wrote:
Also, the random string is at least a consistent 17 characters.


That's not always the case. Check out the link below. Refresh that page to get a new string each time. They seem to range from between 16 and 18 characters.

http://helpedna.com/startup.php

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