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rose
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Can't you listen to the audio file from the link? I guess I'll spoiler it again but not sure that is necessary at this point.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
http://drop.io/powertrip


I don't know how to record it and then post it here. Sorry! I would if I could.


One thing I've been wondering - doesn't the audio seem to mention food alot? And wasn't he eating in the video? I wondered if there was a clue in there somewhere as to another website or something. Dunno.

I haven't checked the control website to see if the videos of players are up as recommendations yet. That seemed too creepy to me, but I'm glad other people were brave enough to submit their videos. I know he had someone say hi to Dee, I thought perhaps he might cobble together some creepy message to her through the submissions he got.
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Thank you rose ^^
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I noticed in the 2nd audio clue transcript that he uses alot of food analogies to food... bitter, humble (pie?), food chain, eat you up, real treat, pinch...

just a thought.

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Rose wrote:
One thing I've been wondering - doesn't the audio seem to mention food alot? And wasn't he eating in the video? I wondered if there was a clue in there somewhere as to another website or something.


[SPEC]Agree. F8 mentions food, "a bitter taste" and "arrogance eating you up". His last kill, Matthiew C., figuratively bled his victems dry and F8 chose to exsanguinate him. Maybe F8 has forced this man to ingest something toxic and corrosive (yikes)?

If it's somehow quid pro quo for F8 then his victim might have been on the web selling those dangerous dietary/nutritional suppliments? Anyhoo, hope we'll find out more today from the Serial Huntress.
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Till then we stay hum drum Smile A supplement salesperson could be interesting. I guess we will see around 7ish I think.

edit- 7ish est Smile I forget you guys are global at times lol.
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Well, I've been hemming and hawing over whether to actually post this, but I figure there have to at least be a few people out there like me that would want this info..

At a little after 8PM EST, SerialHuntress had the 2nd video briefing posted to her YouTube account. Shortly thereafter, it was taken down because of what I assume were technical difficulties (the audio was very much out of sync).

I still have the cached file of it though and so the following is a transcription of what she said. I'd like to note that with nothing further to go on, this information is useless, so you shouldn't feel too bad if you don't want to read it before the video comes out.


Quote:
Hey guys, welcome back. First things first, I'm fighting a nasty virus this week. I don't know what it is but I'm working from home so, welcome to my humble abode. If my doctor new about this, he'd have my ass. I feel like shit but that's a different story. I couldn't let that stop me from bringing you the latest information so, on to business.

So, I mentioned last week that there were some past cases which we believe are linked to the Infinity Killer. I was going through some of these, something interesting happened. One of these murders happened in Miami in November of '08. Apparently, the police down there were tracking this big time drug dealer named Santos Jimanez. They found his body with eight syringes stuck into it; he died of a massive heroine overdose. But curiously, he was also gagged with this 8-ball concoction, which we believe is meant to be his infinity symbol signature.

So, anyway, as I'm trying to get information out of the local police, this guy contacts me. Says, he's the victim's lawyer and he tells me that Santos actually had some corrupt police working for him. And as an insurance policy, the man had bugged his own house so that he could record any incriminating conversations, you know {ETA} in case things ever got too hot. Get this, the lawyer actually had posession of those audio files. The man had never given them to the police because, I guess, he figured they'd just destroy them anyway. Well, guess what? Now I have them. It was recording on the day of the murder.

So, this just came through today. I haven't even had a chance to listen to it yet. I'm gonna check it out but honestly, I've had a fever of 102 for 3 days and I'm probably gonna miss some stuff. So, I need you guys to step it up here. You did some fantastic work last week and I expect you to keep it up. I need you to listen for anything, anything that might help us. This is completely unexplored territory here. If you find anything post it onto the forum, let other people know. Together we can figure this out. I need all the help I can get this week, okay? Thank you. Happy hunting.

Oh. You guys have any good home remedies for the flu? Bring 'em.

As I said, the audio was way out of sync and cuts out there.

Some additional info and my thoughts:
When she says the victims name it sounds like Santos Humanez, however a Spanish speaker would pronounce the J as an H sound, so I'm guessing that it is in fact supposed to be Jimanez.

There was a victim of Dexter's named Santos Jimenez on the show [character profile: SPOILERS!]. But it was Dexter who killed him and in a very messy fashion with a chainsaw, not needles. He was however a cocaine dealer, so theres some drug symetry there. It's interesting to note that the episode in which he was killed, aired November 18, 2007, but his body wasn't disposed of until November 25th, 2007, exactly a year and one day before the Infinity kill.

Again, I'm liking Infinity for being a Bay Harbor Butcher copycat.

EDIT: As of 9:44, the video's back up. Unneeded spoilers removed.

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yea thx for posting. im digging how it connects sorta to show.
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In the video she asks us to listen for anything odd. but I did't see any new audio posted anywhere?

So did we miss something in the last audio? Was that audio from this victim - as there seemed to be a lot of shots given in that audio. I mean the audio from:

http://drop.io/powertrip

was actually part of the recording of the killing of Santos Jimenez

I think the title powertrip might be a good one for the killing of a drug dealer by overdose.
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rose wrote:
In the video she asks us to listen for anything odd. but I didn't see any new audio posted anywhere?

In her YouTube comments she says: "Hey wanted to get this up for you guys to see. I just got some new evidence in and I will post it either later tonight or first thing in the AM. As you will see, I'm a bit out of it today so please be bear with me. Thanks guys."

So we'll probably have to wait until tomorrow.

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I think her telling us shes a bit off and that her doc would prob be upset or whatever (hmm no one controls her?) might be something.I dont trust her.Yea guess we wait for audio.
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degravedi wrote:

Some additional info and my thoughts:
When she says the victims name it sounds like Santos Humanez, however a Spanish speaker would pronounce the J as an H sound, so I'm guessing that it is in fact supposed to be Jimanez.

There was a victim of Dexter's named Santos Jimenez on the show [character profile: SPOILERS!]. But it was Dexter who killed him and in a very messy fashion with a chainsaw, not needles. He was however a cocaine dealer, so theres some drug symetry there. It's interesting to note that the episode in which he was killed, aired November 18, 2007, but his body wasn't disposed of until November 25th, 2007, exactly a year and one day before the Infinity kill.

Again, I'm liking Infinity for being a Bay Harbor Butcher copycat.

EDIT: As of 9:44, the video's back up. Unneeded spoilers removed.



All right, I'm chiming in here to say that I really don't think that Santos Jimenez is a coincidence. Somebody I was talking to over on those boards thinks it's just a throwback, but it really doesn't seem like it. Come on...a drug dealer (who deals in the same drugs) in Miami with the same name...? Seriously, how could that be a coincidence? It's not like an offhand reference to some guy who was mentioned offhand in one episode one time. This guy had a multi-episode arc. We know our guy has killed at least one identity thief. I just can't see this being like a casual reference. If you're going to casually refer to somebody, casually refer to somebody who was alive last time you checked. Same name, same profession...different age, different cause of death. I don't know if we're seeing a BHB copycat, because he doesn't seem to have killed Matthiew Clarke because he actually, physically killed a guy, even if he did destroy the guy's life. Semantics aren't part of the Bay Harbor Butcher's code. It's all about killing people who have physically killed other people. Identity theft wouldn't have been enough. But still, now it looks like there is some kind of link.

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I know I shouldn't overthink this - but the idea is that the dead drug dealer had crooked cops working for him -so he bugged his own house to get incriminating information on them.

But then his lawyer somehow gets the audio recordings after his murder (huh?) and then he gives the audio to serial huntress instead of the cops because the cops are crooked.

And now she is posting the stuff--presumably his murder-- on the internet?

My bet is it will somehow match up with the audio we have already.

btw: did anyone bother to tell serial huntress about that audio reward people got for playing the twitter game with F8? I guess she reads the forums there.

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I agree with you--I think it will match up somehow. But still, I think maybe we'll hear more of it than he gave us. I somehow doubt that he yelled, "My name is ______ and I live in ______," though, so I'm wondering how much it will tell us or if it's just gonna sate our curiosity. Personally I'm fine with the latter.

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angelnorelation wrote:
I don't know if we're seeing a BHB copycat, because he doesn't seem to have killed Matthiew Clarke because he actually, physically killed a guy, even if he did destroy the guy's life. Semantics aren't part of the Bay Harbor Butcher's code. It's all about killing people who have physically killed other people. Identity theft wouldn't have been enough. But still, now it looks like there is some kind of link.

[Long winded rambling thoughts ahead!] Geek

From the "If you're trying to tell me how you've never killed anyone, don't bother. It's all semantics to me." conversation, I fully agree that he's referencing Matthiew being identity thief but what I'm trying to explain is the reasoning behind why he would even say such a thing. It just seems as if he specifically killed Matthiew Clarke because the latter was a criminal, which hearkens to Dexter. Now the new information shows that he killed someone who was closely connected to Dexter. So, when I call him a copycat, it's just my rationalizing why those coincidences are, since him knowing about the Bay Harbor Butcher isn't that much of a stretch. Alternately, another option is that he has intimate knowledge of Dexter himself; that just seemed like the longer odds. And of course bringing up the rear is that it could in fact actually be a coincidence. IE, he just happens to have a penchant for killing other criminals and killed a Santos Jimenez in Miami (whoever that turns out to be) on a date similar to the original killing. But since there are writers somewhere behind this and that would just be poor storytelling, I would personally like to think that isn't the case.

So, my own guesses on the Jimenez quandary, since I do indeed like storytelling: [just random spec!]

Theory 1: At some point before being arrested, the man already known in the Dexter-verse as Santos Jimenez had let himself take the fall for the true drug lord. As the show states, he was subsequently put into witness protection and lived out the rest of his life as a rock-bottom lowly drug merchant. Meanwhile, the real Santos Jimenez goes about life and business as usual. So, in the current time, Dexter tracks down who everyone has been led to believe is Santos, eventually killing him. A year later, Infinity kills the real Santos. This also leaves the question open as to which one of them really killed the murderer of Dexter's mother.

Theory 2: Santos Jimenez is just who he says he is, and Dexter kills him. Another identity thief takes over the name. Which might leave Infinity as having a penchant for going after identity thieves. If the ARG storyline carries over into the show, it would also leave the possibility open that people would start digging into what happened to the real Jimenez, putting Dexter in danger of exposure. However, this one doesn't explain why the police actually believe the victim is Jimenez, since they would have all the relevant files from Witness Protection.

Theory 3: Maybe it's a Santos Jimenez Jr that took over the family business? I wish I could remember if there had been any mention of him having a son in the show. That would also explain why Dee makes it sound as if the police were currently trying to arrest him for drug trafficking.

ETA: *forehead smack* I really need to start reading the other board more.
For the record, I just don't like posting on IG forums about OOG topics. It really breaks the suspension of disbelieve. I mean, Dee, an in game character, reads those forums. So why isn't she asking us what all this talk is about a "Dexter Morgan" and a tv show and another murdered Jimenez? Razz

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Because I am also a geek, and I want to talk about so many of the things that you said, I am simply going to like, go through it point by point.

degravedi wrote:

[Long winded rambling thoughts ahead!] Geek

From the "If you're trying to tell me how you've never killed anyone, don't bother. It's all semantics to me." conversation, I fully agree that he's referencing Matthiew being identity thief but what I'm trying to explain is the reasoning behind why he would even say such a thing. It just seems as if he specifically killed Matthiew Clarke because the latter was a criminal, which hearkens to Dexter. Now the new information shows that he killed someone who was closely connected to Dexter. So, when I call him a copycat, it's just my rationalizing why those coincidences are, since him knowing about the Bay Harbor Butcher isn't that much of a stretch. Alternately, another option is that he has intimate knowledge of Dexter himself; that just seemed like the longer odds. And of course bringing up the rear is that it could in fact actually be a coincidence. IE, he just happens to have a penchant for killing other criminals and killed a Santos Jimenez in Miami (whoever that turns out to be) on a date similar to the original killing. But since there are writers somewhere behind this and that would just be poor storytelling, I would personally like to think that isn't the case.


I agree with you that it does seem linked. Before, with the San Diego victim, I was wondering if I was just trying to link it because I wanted to. Even within the show, there are plenty of serial killers who don't give any thought to Dexter or the Bay Harbor Butcher. If Infinity carried over to the show, it could therefore obviously still work if he weren't explicitly linked to Dexter. I got that sense of vigilantism and because of Dexter I initially assumed that he was killing other murderers as well, but when more information came to light it seemed that his code was different enough. Vigilante yes, but those are actually quite common (both willing to kill and not). Not to mention, the M.O. is really different, even if the selection is kind of similar. I think, however, that with the vigilante thing in common, even if the code is not identical, and knowing now about Santos Jimenez, it DOES seem like they're kind of linked.

I offer another possibility: maybe the link isn't intentional on Infinity's part. Maybe he shares lots of similarities with Dexter, and maybe he even went after Jimenez for some kind of reason like Dexter did, but maybe he doesn't know about Jimenez-as-killed-by-Dexter. After all, I'm not sure Jimenez would ever have been officially logged as one of the Butcher's victims; he was killed long after his dumping grounds had been discovered and I don't think anyone ever actually found Jimenez's body. I think this is the case (at least according to what happened onscreen) but I could be mistaken. I am, however, a huge nerd about Dexter, so I suspect that I am correct.

degravedi wrote:
So, my own guesses on the Jimenez quandary, since I do indeed like storytelling: [just random spec!]

Theory 1: At some point before being arrested, the man already known in the Dexter-verse as Santos Jimenez had let himself take the fall for the true drug lord. As the show states, he was subsequently put into witness protection and lived out the rest of his life as a rock-bottom lowly drug merchant. Meanwhile, the real Santos Jimenez goes about life and business as usual. So, in the current time, Dexter tracks down who everyone has been led to believe is Santos, eventually killing him. A year later, Infinity kills the real Santos. This also leaves the question open as to which one of them really killed the murderer of Dexter's mother.


This one can't be it. Our victim listed as "Santos Jimenez" in the Infinity case is too young to have been THE Santos Jimenez. In fact, this victim would have been an infant when Laura Moser was killed.

degravedi wrote:
Theory 2: Santos Jimenez is just who he says he is, and Dexter kills him. Another identity thief takes over the name. Which might leave Infinity as having a penchant for going after identity thieves. If the ARG storyline carries over into the show, it would also leave the possibility open that people would start digging into what happened to the real Jimenez, putting Dexter in danger of exposure. However, this one doesn't explain why the police actually believe the victim is Jimenez, since they would have all the relevant files from Witness Protection.


I've been trying to figure out how much of this is going to carry into the show, since sometimes it's a lot and sometimes it's only a couple of things. It's a tough call. I don't think Infinity is going to be catchable within this game, though, so that's something. Also, witness protection is still a pretty hush-hush program, and it was relatively new at the time of Jimenez's absorption into it. Witnesses in the program disappear not just on paper in every other institution, but even according to the cops. It seems clear in this case--Dexter was able to find Jimenez in the first place because they put a business address on some form--that Jimenez had kind of let the thing lapse, but I'm just saying, there's a disconnect between agencies here that might not necessarily alert someone to the fact that they were looking at a person involved with witsec. I like Infinity for trying to kill identity thieves and I think it's possible here, but it's clear from the differences between the two murders we know much about that there's something else at play here even if they're united by identity theft of some kind.

degravedi wrote:
Theory 3: Maybe it's a Santos Jimenez Jr that took over the family business? I wish I could remember if there had been any mention of him having a son in the show. That would also explain why Dee makes it sound as if the police were currently trying to arrest him for drug trafficking.


This is what I'm thinking. I suspect you read this on the Serial Huntress forums, because:

degravedi wrote:
ETA: *forehead smack* I really need to start reading the other board more.
For the record, I just don't like posting on IG forums about OOG topics. It really breaks the suspension of disbelieve. I mean, Dee, an in game character, reads those forums. So why isn't she asking us what all this talk is about a "Dexter Morgan" and a tv show and another murdered Jimenez? Razz


I agree with you, but other people started doing it and I figured it was probably inevitable in any case. Since that seems to be the largest gathering of people trying to solve the puzzles in the game, I guess it really was just gonna happen anyway. I tried to avoid discussing it for a while myself, but I gave up. I still generally try to avoid explicitly naming people, but it seems today like the Santos Jimenez thing is deliberately building off our knowledge of the show, because I honestly think if they didn't intend for this case to somehow be related to the Santos Jimenez we all know and...uhhh, don't love, they would've given him a different name. In the real world...yeah, maybe it could've been a coincidence. But in this world, I doubt it very much.


Well anyway, nice conversation!

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